What's on3p cooking up?

Cadenmccullough

Cadenmccullough

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Take a look at Magnus's latest insta story. Looks like underfoot the edge curves up so the base is lower than the edge. Could this mean no more broken edges?
 
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Really interested to see how it works, if they some with cambered tails i'd definitely try it out
 
13822056:patagonialuke said:
They've definitely got my attention.

The original Moment Frankenski had some sort of in-set edges right?
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yeah, they seemed a bit more complicated and potentially messy though

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13822064:a_burger said:
yeah, they seemed a bit more complicated and potentially messy though
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Hmm yeah I could see those separate edges being a potential durability issue. ON3P's approach looks very interesting.
 
Ooooh those look very interesting. I was considering picking up a pair of magnus' for next season but I may have to hold off another year if this is a possibility for 18/19
 
I wonder how differently they would be durability wise and how they slide on rails and stuff... Super interesting actually.
 
the only issue I could see would be the base getting damaged easily where it bends, especially on corrugated tubes and other bumpy/shitty rails. I suppose on3p bases would stand the best based on what people say though.
 
13822080:a_burger said:
the only issue I could see would be the base getting damaged easily where it bends, especially on corrugated tubes and other bumpy/shitty rails. I suppose on3p bases would stand the best based on what people say though.
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Plus I have had edges completely gone underfoot and the bases really weren't affected by Rails.
 
13822066:patagonialuke said:
Hmm yeah I could see those separate edges being a potential durability issue. ON3P's approach looks very interesting.
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Curious design for sure.

In moments design...thr base just wore away and it left the edges bare...interesting to see if the same thing will go on here.
 
I feel like On3p is going to become a core, big name brand like armada, line, etc. If not that, then the king of the ski industry. Vishnu seems like they're on the come up too.
 
13822082:snowfinder said:
slide rails with no worries about catching an edge but yet still be able to set a turn and get that metal in.
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:)

That said, should be noted we discuss/test lots of ideas that don't make it to market and we're still early in the process with this one. We've been testing convexity since about 2011, but this design & function is different from all those in the past.

13822130:Ryan.voyt said:
I feel like On3p is going to become a core, big name brand like armada, line, etc. If not that, then the king of the ski industry. Vishnu seems like they're on the come up too.
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Thanks! While flattering for sure, the scale of Line/Armada just isn't possible with what we're doing. We're just hoping to keep working hard, carve out our small piece of the pie, and keep building the best skis out.
 
seems like it would really only benefit on rails to me...I don't see how it would really positively affect much else. Seems like it wouldn't hold an edge as well but who knows maybe it will be hugely beneficial with the swerve Magnus is looking for haha
 
i think it would be cool. as my edges always end up like that anyways.

i think it would help with hooking on rails aswell.
 
Love to see people trying new shit out. What does this offer that you couldn't achieve with extensive edge rounding though?
 
13822178:SofaKingSick said:
Love to see people trying new shit out. What does this offer that you couldn't achieve with extensive edge rounding though?
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You can still have your edges bite into the snow while you are up on edge, so they would be better on ice than a really dull park ski I would assume
 
13822136:iggyskier said:
:)

That said, should be noted we discuss/test lots of ideas that don't make it to market and we're still early in the process with this one. We've been testing convexity since about 2011, but this design & function is different from all those in the past.
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One stand out are the Oars, what ever happened to those ?
 
13822241:snowfinder said:
One stand out are the Oars, what ever happened to those ?
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We still ski them from time to time. Tips aren't too rough, but the tails can get caught up in any 3-d snow. It's a bit funny in that if we continued to pursue that design, which would have led to us smoothing & blending everything a lot, the skis would have ended up like the a jibby BBR.
 
13822243:Dustin. said:
Or the black and white Armada T-halls?
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Thalls just had detuned edges, nothing special...

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13822251:iggyskier said:
We still ski them from time to time. Tips aren't too rough, but the tails can get caught up in any 3-d snow. It's a bit funny in that if we continued to pursue that design, which would have led to us smoothing & blending everything a lot, the skis would have ended up like the a jibby BBR.
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I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
I think everyine is forgeting one major aspect here.

ALUMINUM RAILS JUST MIGHT BECOME A POSSIBLE/COMMON THING NOW.
 
Looks like it comes out to a 10 degree base bevel underfoot?

This is funny because most of my park skis end up looking like this. Often the sidewalls will compress or delaminate slightly from the core (internally) before the edges delaminate from the base or sidewall. It's a really nice SURFY feel on any soft snow, still carves on packed pow or slush, and it's super predictable on rails, but as soon as the snow gets firm you're fucked. Still, I'd rather compromise a bit of performance than have durability compromise my season. The base material usually holds up fine, and it seems like a good idea to pair it with the bamboo sidewall/ core extension so no sidewall-core de-lamination occurs.

If ON3P skis came like this out of the plastic then rails wouldn't ever kill the ski unless you really want to disaster to flat hard AF. It would be cool to see some long term comparison experiments where data on ski condition was tracked over time between a normal ski and this new style.
 
13822325:Deepskier said:
I think everyine is forgeting one major aspect here.

ALUMINUM RAILS JUST MIGHT BECOME A POSSIBLE/COMMON THING NOW.
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This. Imagine how easy it would be to move around/build features :D
 
I would buy these solely for aluminum rails. There is this aluminum curved DFDFD at the sun valley pavilion that could make it on the cover of Freeskier.
 
Something thells me that digging an edge and peeling wouldn't be as profound... Metal and metal creates that grab, base material on metal is just slippery. Someone please help me if this is completely wrong
 
So I don't know because I've never beat my edges on rails enough to either bust them or grind them down to nothing, but without an edge, do you essentially lose your semblance of control on the rail? Catchy edges are obviously no good, but don't the edges provide you that little bit of friction you need to maintain control on rails?

Can anyone who's fucked around on skis sans edges (post tearout) speak to whether it gets a little to slippery?
 
13822680:CaptainObvious. said:
So I don't know because I've never beat my edges on rails enough to either bust them or grind them down to nothing, but without an edge, do you essentially lose your semblance of control on the rail? Catchy edges are obviously no good, but don't the edges provide you that little bit of friction you need to maintain control on rails?

Can anyone who's fucked around on skis sans edges (post tearout) speak to whether it gets a little to slippery?
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I've had edge rip out for multiple feet underfoot and it really doesn't affect the feeling of sliding Rails. If anything it just makes them a little smoother.
 
13822680:CaptainObvious. said:
Can anyone who's fucked around on skis sans edges (post tearout) speak to whether it gets a little to slippery?
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There's no noticeable difference
 
13822680:CaptainObvious. said:
So I don't know because I've never beat my edges on rails enough to either bust them or grind them down to nothing, but without an edge, do you essentially lose your semblance of control on the rail? Catchy edges are obviously no good, but don't the edges provide you that little bit of friction you need to maintain control on rails?

Can anyone who's fucked around on skis sans edges (post tearout) speak to whether it gets a little to slippery?
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It feels very similar, maybe a bit more slick, but with a beveled edge like that you could compensate by scissoring your front ski to get that edge in
 
13822680:CaptainObvious. said:
So I don't know because I've never beat my edges on rails enough to either bust them or grind them down to nothing, but without an edge, do you essentially lose your semblance of control on the rail? Catchy edges are obviously no good, but don't the edges provide you that little bit of friction you need to maintain control on rails?

Can anyone who's fucked around on skis sans edges (post tearout) speak to whether it gets a little to slippery?
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just in case you thought the other 3 dudes were lying or something.... yeah it doesn't feel too much different at all. but of course, if youre skiing edgeless skis, they probably werent exactly sharp before they came off. so it def feels pretty different from new skis with sharp edges obviously
 
13822470:Deepskier said:
I would buy these solely for aluminum rails. There is this aluminum curved DFDFD at the sun valley pavilion that could make it on the cover of Freeskier.
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That would actually be insane... get Karl
 
13822815:AndrewGravesSV said:
That would actually be insane... get Karl
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Some kids tried to hit it a few years ago. There was a pile of snow they used for a drop in that was 3-4 feet tall and had about a 6inch diameter top to stand on and I would imagine they didnt know anything about metals.
 
I feel that this might not work, it definitely won't work on all skis, the constitution being used could very easily weaken the base construction, I'm glad ON3P are the people to test though because their bases are industuctable
 
Still being tested and going to be awhile before we are done. As the whole idea here is to increase the longevity of ski edges, testing is going to take awhile just for the sake of proof of concept.
 
Assuming this is purely for park and rail durability?- which totally makes sense. I can't see this being very beneficial for hold on hard pack or ice for all mountain skiing though.
 
13897596:iggyskier said:
Still being tested and going to be awhile before we are done. As the whole idea here is to increase the longevity of ski edges, testing is going to take awhile just for the sake of proof of concept.
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Can’t wait to see
 
13822130:voy10 said:
I feel like On3p is going to become a core, big name brand like armada, line, etc. If not that, then the king of the ski industry. Vishnu seems like they're on the come up too.
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If ON3P ever gets bought out by k2 or whoever, I'm going to buy like 20 pairs of K108's and stockpile them before the quality goes to shit.
 
Gilson has a raised base on their skis and they ride like garbage imo. Maybe these wont be as bad since its only directly underfoot.

I don't see it helping that much. As soon as you go to grip the rail the edge is going to touch. Also straight base on rails is really sticky sometimes, metal on metal usually slides better but i guess once you lose your edge you are down to base anyway.
 
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