What would happen if Pinochio said his nose would grow?

it would be a lie too though because he said it would grow, and then it wouldnt cuz its not a lie, but by not growing it would become a lie.
 
he could just say that if he told a lie his nose would grow, instead of just saying "yo dawg my nose grows" ye dig? since just straight up saying that his nose grows fucks everything over
 
If he says it will, and it doesn't, he is lying, so it will grow, but it grows, so he was telling the truth, so it grows, but he was telling the truth, so it doesn't grow, which means he was lying, so it will grow, which means he was acutally telling the truth, so it won't grow, which means he was in fact lying, so it will grow, etc, etc

It will not grow. The system enters a cyclical equilibrium, in which the status quo is the Condorcet winner.

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Fun Fact. The publication of the first chapter of Catch 22 was actually catch-18 and Heller experimented with Catch 44 as well.
 
what is his direct quote? "If he says my nose will grow" or "my nose grows" he is simply stating that at some point his nose will increase in length. Which is in fact the truth and not a lie.

However if he says,"my nose will grow after this statement" well then we are all fucked
 
but it could only be true that his nose would grow if he was to lie at a later point in time. so it's only true if he is going to lie later on, otherwise it's a lie and his nose will grow, which again means that he was telling the truth in which case it should not grow. he's trapped.
 
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this idea came from the high ideas website, and the og question was what would happen if pinochio said "my nose will grow right now!"
 
on second thought, i suppose the lie doesn't become a lie until the nose changes, and the truth doesn't become the truth until the nose changes. so his nose would probably grow and shrink repeatedly forever, instead of pre-determining the results of his statement and ending the universe in a cataclysmic event.
 
It would grow. Since he said "My nose will grow," its too vague of a statement and therefor is considered a lie, making his nose grow. If he said "My nose will grow if I'm lying," then it wouldn't grow.
 
Now that i think about it more is it more fucked up that his nose may or may not grow? Or the fact that we have a talking, lying, and growing wooden toy?
 
i suppose we have the technology to build a pinocchio, perhaps not with a 'growing' nose, or a biological brain, but with an extendable nose and an artificial mind. so i think the nose question is more fucked up than Pinocchio himself.
 
but it would be a false statement, not a lie, because he wouldn't know for sure that it wouldn't grow

if it was the second time he tried it, then it would be a lie, and therefore it would be a catch-22
 
he would become enlightened and be able to solve world problems. Like the cure to cancer and how to divide by zero
 
its not catch-22, because either of the answers does not have the same outcome
if he said his nose would or would not grow, nothing would happen, meaning his nose would not grow, because he is simply speculating, not lying
boom

 
lie1  [lahy] noun, verb, lied, ly⋅ing.–noun1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

if yo want to get technical
 
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