What Happened to Mountain Creek Terrain Parks?

[swagmasterflex]

Ik a lot of people won't be able to relate so ignore this thread if you will. But what tf happened to mountain creek terrain parks. From the mid 2000s-2014ish this park was unreal (for the east coast at least). 50-100+ features stretching from south peak to bear and jump lines built to perfection. I just wanna know what happened to all this. Now mountain creek is a complete sh*t show in the park. Horrible jumps that send you straight to the moon, rail kickers that just don't even make sense, and simply the lack of features and creativity. Anyone know why this place went so downhill so fast?

 

[Nickc88]

I second your assessment, Im a PA guy (Big Boulder) so I didnt have much experience with Mountain Creek before 2014, but ive been there 2 times in the last 5 years. First time probably in 2015, definitely wayyy better than when I went in 2017-2018 season. If I had to guess I would say that the parks experienced a brain-drain. Mountain Creek used to have quite a few heavy hitters in the the parks, like Sam Zahner and i think Mike Cappola. Otherwise I doubt the employees there have any idea whats going on, or at least the mountain doesn't give a fuck about parks.

 

[SnowshoeThompson]

Probably an unexperienced manager. The ski industry is extremely bureaucratic. I remember seeing a bunch of edits coming out of there, that’s a bummer

 

[swagmasterflex]

I second your assessment, Im a PA guy (Big Boulder) so I didnt have much experience with Mountain Creek before 2014, but ive been there 2 times in the last 5 years. First time probably in 2015, definitely wayyy better than when I went in 2017-2018 season. If I had to guess I would say that the parks experienced a brain-drain. Mountain Creek used to have quite a few heavy hitters in the the parks, like Sam Zahner and i think Mike Cappola. Otherwise I doubt the employees there have any idea whats going on, or at least the mountain doesn't give a fuck about parks.

Ya totally agree. Creek died when Cappola left. Boulder goes hard tho, hella far drive for a day trip for me but still worth it. They know how to build and maintain a really solid park, wish it was closer

 

[Em2bella234]

Only been skiing there since 2016 but I have seen footage of way before my ski time. Pipeline...enough said. Even from 16 to last year it has been pretty crappy. They have a lot of younger ppl working there...no experience and therefore you get crappy builds. They can’t keep employees to come back each season. They also have a bad stigma...see hbo film on Action Park. The business has exchanged hands a lot in the last 10 yrs. the town doesn’t help either...I think that they think they are walking on eggshells. Or they just don’t want to cater to the park scene...rather more family friendly. Just my view. But no I don’t really like it but it’s my home mountain and the season pass is cheep. I have no issues taking day trips out to better parks every now and then.

 

[theabortionator]

Probably an unexperienced manager. The ski industry is extremely bureaucratic. I remember seeing a bunch of edits coming out of there, that’s a bummer

Are you suggesting people that build sketchy features end up in high level positions?

And also bummed to hear this. Not surprised as I haven't seen much from there in recent years. Park was super sick for a while.

 

[freeskibum82]

Park skiing is dying and the majority of the skiing public doesnt use it. With lack of snowfall in the NE year over year it's been on the decline. Even Stratton parks "the birth place of snowboarding" sucks now. Jerrys keep complaining about the trails being terrain parks and Stratton listens and caters to those paying for lift tickets and staying in resorts. Racing is also a bigger money maker than park. It'll be interesting what happens to Mt Snow/Carinthia with Vail owning it now.

 

[860media*]

well they own Big Snow now and that place is pretty proper haha maybe people bailed over to that. Big Snow only opened last year tho.....

 

[swagmasterflex]

Park skiing is dying and the majority of the skiing public doesnt use it. With lack of snowfall in the NE year over year it's been on the decline. Even Stratton parks "the birth place of snowboarding" sucks now. Jerrys keep complaining about the trails being terrain parks and Stratton listens and caters to those paying for lift tickets and staying in resorts. Racing is also a bigger money maker than park. It'll be interesting what happens to Mt Snow/Carinthia with Vail owning it now.

I swear if vail lays a finger on that park

 

[swagmasterflex]

well they own Big Snow now and that place is pretty proper haha maybe people bailed over to that. Big Snow only opened last year tho.....

idk if they own it but there's definitely some affiliation at least with the park cause ik creek park crew built everything in that fridge. Not an awful job in there.

 

[partyandBS]

I didnt read the whole thread before but maybe those skills by the cat driver were noticed by SPT or a bigger resort out west and they got head hunted?

 

[SofaKingSick]

Park skiing is dying and the majority of the skiing public doesnt use it. With lack of snowfall in the NE year over year it's been on the decline. Even Stratton parks "the birth place of snowboarding" sucks now. Jerrys keep complaining about the trails being terrain parks and Stratton listens and caters to those paying for lift tickets and staying in resorts. Racing is also a bigger money maker than park. It'll be interesting what happens to Mt Snow/Carinthia with Vail owning it now.

you're mostly right but the ""even stratton"" part is a laugh. stratton gave up ages ago, they're not a good example

 

[theabortionator]

Park skiing is dying and the majority of the skiing public doesnt use it. With lack of snowfall in the NE year over year it's been on the decline. Even Stratton parks "the birth place of snowboarding" sucks now. Jerrys keep complaining about the trails being terrain parks and Stratton listens and caters to those paying for lift tickets and staying in resorts. Racing is also a bigger money maker than park. It'll be interesting what happens to Mt Snow/Carinthia with Vail owning it now.

Idk about that. The core woah wow snowboard park sick dude vibe def died off a long time ago, and the freeski revolution was over a decade ago but parks are super busy.

If anything more places are focussing on small medium parks that cater more to everyone and building less XL jumps. These days it's not just about "Holy fuck look at that huge booter or that crazy rail" it's more "are people using it".

Halfpipes died out many places but have kind of stabilized. Some of the few that build them enjoy the novelty of having the only or one of the few around. I hope they don't disappear too much more.

Idk. Parks are pretty busy though. Maybe not everyone is killing it but they get a lot of traffic. Especially the smaller parks with baby jumps, dancefloors, wide boxes, short rails etc.

Idk what the hell stratton did ro their parks but it sounded like they got nuked over a decade ago.

Will def be interesting to see what happens with vail owning peak resorts. BB is a real heavy hitter on there as well. If there parks get it would be pretty sad.

Also jerries suck

 

[freeskibum82]

Idk about that. The core woah wow snowboard park sick dude vibe def died off a long time ago, and the freeski revolution was over a decade ago but parks are super busy.

If anything more places are focussing on small medium parks that cater more to everyone and building less XL jumps. These days it's not just about "Holy fuck look at that huge booter or that crazy rail" it's more "are people using it".

Halfpipes died out many places but have kind of stabilized. Some of the few that build them enjoy the novelty of having the only or one of the few around. I hope they don't disappear too much more.

Idk. Parks are pretty busy though. Maybe not everyone is killing it but they get a lot of traffic. Especially the smaller parks with baby jumps, dancefloors, wide boxes, short rails etc.

Idk what the hell stratton did ro their parks but it sounded like they got nuked over a decade ago.

Will def be interesting to see what happens with vail owning peak resorts. BB is a real heavy hitter on there as well. If there parks get it would be pretty sad.

Also jerries suck

I do agree with you that places do not need 80' kickers or 12' cheese wedges anymore. But from my perspective they are becoming an afterthought (outside of Killington and Mt Snow). Maybe Stratton gave up because if people want park just drive 10 miles down the road to Mt Snow. Park rats dont spend money on resort.. But look at the location where parks are now, most of the time off an in the corner of the mountain. Even ski manufacturers are moving away from park. just look at their ski lineups.some only have a single park ski. They dont sell and when they do the kids expect to get them 50% off.

 

[swagmasterflex]

I do agree with you that places do not need 80' kickers or 12' cheese wedges anymore. But from my perspective they are becoming an afterthought (outside of Killington and Mt Snow). Maybe Stratton gave up because if people want park just drive 10 miles down the road to Mt Snow. Park rats dont spend money on resort.. But look at the location where parks are now, most of the time off an in the corner of the mountain. Even ski manufacturers are moving away from park. just look at their ski lineups.some only have a single park ski. They dont sell and when they do the kids expect to get them 50% off.

geez are we really watching the fall of park skiing right before our eyes

 

[a_burger]

Park skiing is dying and the majority of the skiing public doesnt use it. With lack of snowfall in the NE year over year it's been on the decline. Even Stratton parks "the birth place of snowboarding" sucks now. Jerrys keep complaining about the trails being terrain parks and Stratton listens and caters to those paying for lift tickets and staying in resorts. Racing is also a bigger money maker than park. It'll be interesting what happens to Mt Snow/Carinthia with Vail owning it now.

I don’t like this assessment that park skiing is “dying” sure the growth has flattened off a bit but to me it feels like a self fulfilling prophecy. Old heads in charge see the slow in growth and cut the budget, which in turn slows the growth even more and drives park riders away to other mtns.

Parks are going to be crucial in the next 20-30 years for growing skiing participation. Racing may make money in the short term but it’s not exciting enough to make younger kids get off the internet and go outside to try skiing like park does.

 

[swagmasterflex]

I don’t like this assessment that park skiing is “dying” sure the growth has flattened off a bit but to me it feels like a self fulfilling prophecy. Old heads in charge see the slow in growth and cut the budget, which in turn slows the growth even more and drives park riders away to other mtns.

Parks are going to be crucial in the next 20-30 years for growing skiing participation. Racing may make money in the short term but it’s not exciting enough to make younger kids get off the internet and go outside to try skiing like park does.

agreed very well said

 

[theabortionator]

I do agree with you that places do not need 80' kickers or 12' cheese wedges anymore. But from my perspective they are becoming an afterthought (outside of Killington and Mt Snow). Maybe Stratton gave up because if people want park just drive 10 miles down the road to Mt Snow. Park rats dont spend money on resort.. But look at the location where parks are now, most of the time off an in the corner of the mountain. Even ski manufacturers are moving away from park. just look at their ski lineups.some only have a single park ski. They dont sell and when they do the kids expect to get them 50% off.

Depends where you ride. Big boulder, loon, sugarbush, whiteface are just a few that have been consistantly killing in parks for a long time.

As much as some mtns are putting less effort into parks there are more mtns that didnt even have a park that nkw have a small park. Pretty much every mountain has a park theae days.

Park rats don't spend a ton of money but families do. As already happened/happening some places woll put leas effort into parks, especialky bigger stuff because they dont see a return. This just adds more to the ones that have the bigger stuff a lot of times as that becomes the spot.

With things going from TBL into extra small/small terrain parks built for progression I dont see parks going anywhere any time soon.

 

[yungmish]

Lets get #JibsOnBear trending

 

[yungmish]

Also can't forget the fact that some number of years ago they demoed a bag jump for a weekend, realized they had enough of a park scene to justify buying one, and then put the brand new one at the bottom of the tubing run (pretty sure it was still set up for tubers this past season)

 

[swagmasterflex]

Lets get #JibsOnBear trending

Yessir #jibsonbear

 

[1spliff2guinnies]

It depends on where the experience is tbh. Some cat drivers/ park crews just don't have the knowledge to be able to build the massive features that will be safe. That being said, there is no reason for resorts NOT to have at least, a small park. And like others have said, these little shredders come with their families who are probably the whales for the resort.

Doing the big features and having pros come to your park does wonders for a resort's marketing.

 

[swagmasterflex]

It depends on where the experience is tbh. Some cat drivers/ park crews just don't have the knowledge to be able to build the massive features that will be safe. That being said, there is no reason for resorts NOT to have at least, a small park. And like others have said, these little shredders come with their families who are probably the whales for the resort.

Doing the big features and having pros come to your park does wonders for a resort's marketing.

Ya true but I just don't understand how a park crew that was able to build perfect large and xl features just disappeared in a matter of 3-4 years and now the biggest kicker is like a 20 foot gap if you're lucky.

 

[a_burger]

Ya true but I just don't understand how a park crew that was able to build perfect large and xl features just disappeared in a matter of 3-4 years and now the biggest kicker is like a 20 foot gap if you're lucky.

I figure most people who are that skilled would probably want to put their talents to use somewhere with a longer season and better snow. I feel like I saw a listing for the park manager position there for a while the past few years, and not having a manager mid season is a great way to make the park suffer

 

[partyandBS]

Ya true but I just don't understand how a park crew that was able to build perfect large and xl features just disappeared in a matter of 3-4 years and now the biggest kicker is like a 20 foot gap if you're lucky.

Global warming man. Those large kickers have melted to smaller ones.

 

[swagmasterflex]

Global warming man. Those large kickers have melted to smaller ones.

Could be true as well. NJ has been getting like 10 inches of snow throughout the entire winter for the past few years. On the flip side places like Jackson hole are getting record snowfalls, more so climate change than global warming.

 

[swagmasterflex]

I figure most people who are that skilled would probably want to put their talents to use somewhere with a longer season and better snow. I feel like I saw a listing for the park manager position there for a while the past few years, and not having a manager mid season is a great way to make the park suffer

geez im bouta quit my job and step in to manage that place. At this point my backyard park is enough experience to manage that park.

**This post was edited on Sep 17th 2020 at 10:22:26am

 

[SkiBum.]

Curious to see what big boulder and mount snow parks are like this winter. I’d assume they are much smaller then previous. Especially mount snow. No way Vail keeps that park and that location as big as it was.

 

[freeskibum82]

Curious to see what big boulder and mount snow parks are like this winter. I’d assume they are much smaller then previous. Especially mount snow. No way Vail keeps that park and that location as big as it was.

especially with that fancy dancy lodge they build over in carinthia and offer valet parking now....

 

[SkiBum.]

Yup. I bet they just go to a trail or two for parks. No way they keep that entire area all park. That lodge and terrain is good intermediate money making terrain.

Vail also got rid of the dude that oversaw parks for all of old Peak Resorts. Which is great cuz that guy was a moron.

especially with that fancy dancy lodge they build over in carinthia and offer valet parking now....

 

[theabortionator]

Curious to see what big boulder and mount snow parks are like this winter. I’d assume they are much smaller then previous. Especially mount snow. No way Vail keeps that park and that location as big as it was.

Yeah will be kinda sad. BB has been on fire recently. It's sweet that keystone and northstar still have big parks.

I remember a thread on here or maybe in one of the park groups on facebook talking about it but isn't inferno going to be a normal trail now? Makes sense cause it was never busy but it still sucks. Honestly all the stuff in there is too big for me these days but it was super fun when I was less scared of the world. Also leaving the dew tour course up was sick as hell. Even the cannon. I think the cannon got pulled after a week kr so before I made it over there but I prolly wouldnt have hit it anyway. Park was suoer fun and no crowds big jumps. Good times.

Don't kill everything fun vail please

 

[a_pla5tic_bag]

I've been skiing creek since the late 90's /early 2000's, I forget. Creek has sucked for a while. I've been going Blue in PA and occasionally Windham but that's really far from me.

-South is overflowing with NYC tourist snowboarders making the lift lines incredibly long on weekends or other times where people have off.

-The trails are ultra short so time on lift is significantly longer than time spent skiing.

-Snowboarder bombholes on all boxes and rails

-Most rail features seem designed exclusively for a snowrboarder to "50-50" over. 50-50ing a box wider than your board isn't a trick.

-NJ has gotten horrible snowfall for years now.

-Transportation, be it skiing or otherwise, between peaks is terrible.

-Trails are frequently closed for races all day.

**This post was edited on Sep 17th 2020 at 3:40:18pm

 

[theabortionator]

I've been skiing creek since the late 90's /early 2000's, I forget. Creek has sucked for a while. I've been going Blue in PA and occasionally Windham but that's really far from me.

-South is overflowing with NYC tourist snowboarders making the lift lines incredibly long on weekends or other times where people have off.

-The trails are ultra short so time on lift is significantly longer than time spent skiing.

-Snowboarder bombholes on all boxes and rails

-Most rail features seem designed exclusively for a snowrboarder to "50-50" over. 50-50ing a box wider than your board isn't a trick.

-NJ has gotten horrible snowfall for years now.

-Transportation, be it skiing or otherwise, between peaks is terrible.

-Trails are frequently closed for races all day.

**This post was edited on Sep 17th 2020 at 3:40:18pm

Yeah because skiers don't do any of that stuff?

 

[a_pla5tic_bag]

Yeah because skiers don't do any of that stuff?

I don't know what you mean. I can't ski a trail if it's closed for a race. Features meant for snowboarders to 50-50, i.e. 2 ft wide boxes placed in ground are boring. If I want to ski other trails, I typically have to take bus between the three peaks because the trail between hasn't opened for some time because no snow. Trails are short but it's NJ so my bad for having expectations I guess.

The little park they set up right next to the right most lift on South (if looking uphill) has been pretty ok though. They had a quarter pipe at the end one year.

 

[theabortionator]

I don't know what you mean. I can't ski a trail if it's closed for a race. Features meant for snowboarders to 50-50, i.e. 2 ft wide boxes placed in ground are boring. If I want to ski other trails, I typically have to take bus between the three peaks because the trail between hasn't opened for some time because no snow. Trails are short but it's NJ so my bad for having expectations I guess.

The little park they set up right next to the right most lift on South (if looking uphill) has been pretty ok though. They had a quarter pipe at the end one year.

Those boring wide boxes are for skiers to 50 50 too. Idk the everything is snowboarders fault is pretty 2005.

Idk ive honestly never even ridden mtn creek but landjngs of features get bombed out, people side jump things, and people 50 50 dancefloors.

 

[dan38]

Yeah noticed the same on my local mountain, Mts Southington. Small little hill but used to have a solid park, worked a lot with jibsforcribs and had a bunch of jams. All that's gone now (At least as of the last time I was there in 2018), features are so small and bland or are built pretty exclusively with snowboarders in mind.

 

[theabortionator]

Yeah noticed the same on my local mountain, Mts Southington. Small little hill but used to have a solid park, worked a lot with jibsforcribs and had a bunch of jams. All that's gone now (At least as of the last time I was there in 2018), features are so small and bland or are built pretty exclusively with snowboarders in mind.

Jibs for cribs always seemed kinda shit for mtns to have. Gore had a history of buying rails from places like that. Idk stuff is great for backyards and stuff but doesn't hold up that well at resorts. I mean ive seen sketchier features at resorts for sure but I think mtns should just figure out dimensions that don't suck and build shit in house. Or pay up for a company to build stuff.

 

[dan38]

Jibs for cribs always seemed kinda shit for mtns to have. Gore had a history of buying rails from places like that. Idk stuff is great for backyards and stuff but doesn't hold up that well at resorts. I mean ive seen sketchier features at resorts for sure but I think mtns should just figure out dimensions that don't suck and build shit in house. Or pay up for a company to build stuff.

Yeah, it was all custom made for the mountain. The also sponsored the comps stuff like that. I remember going to Gore when I was first learning how to hit features and somehow they had jibs for cribs stuff that sucked wayyy more than the local hill near me.

 

[theabortionator]

Yeah, it was all custom made for the mountain. The also sponsored the comps stuff like that. I remember going to Gore when I was first learning how to hit features and somehow they had jibs for cribs stuff that sucked wayyy more than the local hill near me.

Oh word that makes sense. Yeah gore had the normal backyard stuff i think. The boxes were weird and kinda bouncy if you 50 50d them. They were really small too. The guru rails gore has are kinda wonky too. The shotgun is such thin steel me and my buddy bent it straight by standing in the ends.

Then again the down flat kink that gore built was like a 40 degree kink with a gap to it. So maybe not everyone should build their own features.

 

[swagmasterflex]

Oh word that makes sense. Yeah gore had the normal backyard stuff i think. The boxes were weird and kinda bouncy if you 50 50d them. They were really small too. The guru rails gore has are kinda wonky too. The shotgun is such thin steel me and my buddy bent it straight by standing in the ends.

Then again the down flat kink that gore built was like a 40 degree kink with a gap to it. So maybe not everyone should build their own features.

jibs for cribs, that's a throwback

 

[Nickc88]

Ya totally agree. Creek died when Cappola left. Boulder goes hard tho, hella far drive for a day trip for me but still worth it. They know how to build and maintain a really solid park, wish it was closer

Even boulder has started going to shit, last season they wernt allowed to build big jumps because vail said no, and they were cracking down on vaping and stopped doing almost all competitions, because vail aint about that shit, even if its a 550ft hill dedicated to terrain parks.

 

[MXmx]

All these people, and they are snowboarders? Sounds like shit.

Do they at least not sit all over the mountain and jack with their bindings right in front of the lift?

I've been skiing creek since the late 90's /early 2000's, I forget. Creek has sucked for a while. I've been going Blue in PA and occasionally Windham but that's really far from me.

-South is overflowing with NYC tourist snowboarders making the lift lines incredibly long on weekends or other times where people have off.

-The trails are ultra short so time on lift is significantly longer than time spent skiing.

-Snowboarder bombholes on all boxes and rails

-Most rail features seem designed exclusively for a snowrboarder to "50-50" over. 50-50ing a box wider than your board isn't a trick.

-NJ has gotten horrible snowfall for years now.

-Transportation, be it skiing or otherwise, between peaks is terrible.

-Trails are frequently closed for races all day.

**This post was edited on Sep 17th 2020 at 3:40:18pm

 

[MXmx]

I’ve got bruised ribs and shit ton of scratches on my arms from a snowboarder snaking my line 1 second before I was landing a jump.

Don’t you notice all the deep scars in the snow? Impossible for skis to make.

Stuff being snowboarders fault is very last week at big snow in New Jersey.

Those boring wide boxes are for skiers to 50 50 too. Idk the everything is snowboarders fault is pretty 2005.

Idk ive honestly never even ridden mtn creek but landjngs of features get bombed out, people side jump things, and people 50 50 dancefloors.

 

[theabortionator]

I’ve got bruised ribs and shit ton of scratches on my arms from a snowboarder snaking my line 1 second before I was landing a jump.

Don’t you notice all the deep scars in the snow? Impossible for skis to make.

Stuff being snowboarders fault is very last week at big snow in New Jersey.

Meh. I've been hit by both, snaked by both. People who are bitter against snowboarders are jerrying out. I get it, it's "those guys" but still. And the trenches you're referring too are really only noticeable from apline boards. Also on most east coast days the snows not even soft enough to noticeable cut up.

Maybe we should just make them snowboard parks again and any crusty skiers can go back to just skiing moguls and cliffs. Johnny tsunami that shit.

Idk I feel like for the last 15 years it really hasn't mattered if you ski or snowboard. A lot of mixed crews, even families.

I get being frustrated by people getting in the way, kooking it up, running into you, sitting on features, snaking your line etc but that isn't a skier or snowboard issue, just a noob thing.

 

[MXmx]

I’ve been skiing since I was 4. Never had a park accident until last week. Rarely snaked by a skier.

Moguls and jumps are cool...

It almost always is a snowboard issue with camping, snaking, etc. It’s cultural.

Better yet, deer valley should get its park back and Alta and mad river glen should get parks.

I don’t have a problem with anyone, but I do notice who is consistently doing BS on the mountain.

Meh. I've been hit by both, snaked by both. People who are bitter against snowboarders are jerrying out. I get it, it's "those guys" but still. And the trenches you're referring too are really only noticeable from apline boards. Also on most east coast days the snows not even soft enough to noticeable cut up.

Maybe we should just make them snowboard parks again and any crusty skiers can go back to just skiing moguls and cliffs. Johnny tsunami that shit.

Idk I feel like for the last 15 years it really hasn't mattered if you ski or snowboard. A lot of mixed crews, even families.

I get being frustrated by people getting in the way, kooking it up, running into you, sitting on features, snaking your line etc but that isn't a skier or snowboard issue, just a noob thing.

 

[theabortionator]

I’ve been skiing since I was 4. Never had a park accident until last week. Rarely snaked by a skier.

Moguls and jumps are cool...

It almost always is a snowboard issue with camping, snaking, etc. It’s cultural.

Better yet, deer valley should get its park back and Alta and mad river glen should get parks.

I don’t have a problem with anyone, but I do notice who is consistently doing BS on the mountain.

I've seen so many hordes of skiers duck walk up take offs, families camp on landings, a ski indtructor that put 8 kids directly behind the takeoff on the knuckle of a 70 foot jump, snakes for days, etc.

Sorry you got hit but no need to be crusty about it. It's not cultural. You just seem to have a blind spot and only notice the issues with snowboarders.

Maybe I'll spray you while snaking your line next time I see you. I gotta get to that box and get my 50 50 on. It's cultural.

Wanting to ski park at deer valley to get away from snowboarders is hilarious. Maybe you're just one of those ski chads that's always hated knuckle draggers. Whatever it's your problem. Everywhere else skiers and boarders are squadded up ripping the park and mountain while you shake your fist at the sky and curse them.

It's honestly amusing seeing how core some people are on here. There's douchery in both sports but def a lot of shot entitlement in skiing. Especially from people who were in bigger racing programs as kids.

Winter will be here soon, smoke a bowl or something and get over it my dude.

 

[MXmx]

Seems like you are the one with the problem

I've seen so many hordes of skiers duck walk up take offs, families camp on landings, a ski indtructor that put 8 kids directly behind the takeoff on the knuckle of a 70 foot jump, snakes for days, etc.

Sorry you got hit but no need to be crusty about it. It's not cultural. You just seem to have a blind spot and only notice the issues with snowboarders.

Maybe I'll spray you while snaking your line next time I see you. I gotta get to that box and get my 50 50 on. It's cultural.

Wanting to ski park at deer valley to get away from snowboarders is hilarious. Maybe you're just one of those ski chads that's always hated knuckle draggers. Whatever it's your problem. Everywhere else skiers and boarders are squadded up ripping the park and mountain while you shake your fist at the sky and curse them.

It's honestly amusing seeing how core some people are on here. There's douchery in both sports but def a lot of shot entitlement in skiing. Especially from people who were in bigger racing programs as kids.

Winter will be here soon, smoke a bowl or something and get over it my dude.