What does the Resurrection/Elnour contrast say about our sport?

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In any other action sport, when a couple guys who were big news 10 years ago drop an impromptu edit, its means for minor celebration, but certainly doesn't lead to claims that the sport has been revitalized or returned to its "golden era."

For example, when 44-year-old skateboarding legend, Chico Brenes, dropped his "7x7" part a few weeks ago (which, coincidentally, was full of the same tricks he was doing a decade ago...hmmmm) the viewer count came up just short of 85k on the Thrasher YouTube channel. Which, considering their 2+ million subscribers, isn't exactly mind blowing. One commenter on "7x7" said, "Its not super tech, its not super gnarly, but its exactly what everyone wants their skating to look like." It's a comment that could easily be applied to the "Resurrection" video, given Tom and Simon's insane steeze (and yet, I would argue that the skiing in "Resurrection," especially Toms, is super tech. But that's besides the point). The real point here is that nobody said that Brenes' video was returning skateboarding to its "golden era" or that Brenes had arrived to defeat the puny new-wave skaters with their lame ass body varials and sloppy manuals.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm stoked that Tom and Simon made a sick part, but what does it say about skiing that the only thing we want to see are the tricks people were doing 8 years ago?

Meanwhile, Elnour comes out, which, in my meaningless opinion, is an equally amazing feat of skiing (and lets be honest, a lot more work went into it. Its 15 minutes, and spans a litany of shooting locations and builds). And yet the top comment on this benchmark of new wave skiing is "Should have waited a day to drop this." Damn that's cold lmao.

Look, I'm in my early 30's. I get it. I'm going bald, my back hurts, and I miss the seasons of yesteryear.

Skiing is sick and its frustrating to see it get taken over by mumble rap and track pants and lazy shuffles and dudes that are constantly skiing slow and touching the ground. But you can't act like all new wave is shit. Hackel and Magnus are really fucking good skiers, whether you like their style or not. And what about Kimbo and Oliver Karlburg? They fuck with The Bunch, but you could hardly label their style "new wave."

And besides, who would you rather have representing our sport as it inevitably moves into the future? A certain pair of skier/model twins that pose duckface on tik tok?
 
The Ressurection was reprising two of the most infamous skiing edits of all time by combining Slumdog Illionaire and JOSS Team America so obviously it was going to blow up. You also have Tom still skiing at an insanely high level and Dumont's impressive comeback after five years that was already hyped from his insta. There is a huge nostalgia factor to go back to the old days 2010 for sure but it is also different to most content coming out now.

In contrast is Elnour where people already have mixed opinions about the Bunch. I'd say that this is one of my favorite movies they've released yet because it focused much more on the actually skiing while maintaining the Bunch aesthetic. I think the Bunch are pushing skiing in a completely new direction and that creativity doesn't get the respect it deserves. One of the most difficult things in any arena to be is original and the Bunch do that sliding around on snow in their own way while being highly technical skiers. They get a lot of hate because of ams and kids trying to emulate them poorly.

All in all its really comparing apples to oranges because they're two different genres of skiing. Even now you're seeing Elnour get more likes as the day has progressed
 
Do we figure that this has to do with the height of Newschoolers? I haven't logged in for years, so thus and therefore, I am officially out of touch. But is that maybe the same with a lot of other past members? Back when this website was super busy and a major influence on our sport was also the same time when Simon and Tom were huge and JOSS edits were the pinnacle of innovation. Now we see them Tom and Simon put out this edit and all the old members come flocking, reliving that period of skiing.

I don't think it's right to call 2009 the golden era of skiing, but I might agree that 2009-2012ish was very much a time when Newschoolers was booming.

The stuff that skiers are doing now is absolutely mind-boggling and that's what I love about the sport. Where it looks like we probably can't/shouldn't go any bigger or spin any more than we currently are, these new wave skiers are making smaller skiing way more intricate and complex.

Also, is Voleurz back yet?
 
I'm sorry but [tag=186220]@TheBunch[/tag] shit the bed big time with this the timing of this release a couple of reasons

1) Why did this drop so late?? I had honestly forgotten about it by the time it was released. There was almost no hype on social media and no teaser content. Just out of the blue. They waited too long, like the boys were already hyping up their next movie on insta before this one even dropped. Please release your next movie in a more timely manner!

2) Why did this come out when there was tons of other content competing with it?? Even without the dumont/twall edit, there is still slvsh cup and superunknown happening. This was the worst day to release this movie.

Elnour was dope, but the timing really couldn't have been worse
 
I think labeling Simon & Tom as 'big news 10 years ago' is somewhat downplaying who they are. Simon is one of the best, if not the best pipe skiers of all time and was probably the most well known skier for a while (with his target, honda, etc. sponsorship). Tom basically was newschoolers for at least a decade and was still top of the game up to maybe 5 years ago. The comparable thing in skateboarding would be if say Tony Hawk and Andy Mac dropped some equivalent edit, that would probably be big news.

Also I think the way Simon disappeared lead to some of the hype about it. He basically vanished from skiing one day and never did it again. You didn't see him, hear from him, nothing.Now all of a sudden two of the most popular freeskiers of this century pop up and made a new edit - people are going to love the nostalgia factor, especially when the two of them made arguably a top 5 edit of all time a decade ago.
 
14117140:kshaughn said:
I think labeling Simon & Tom as 'big news 10 years ago' is somewhat downplaying who they are. Simon is one of the best, if not the best pipe skiers of all time and was probably the most well known skier for a while (with his target, honda, etc. sponsorship). Tom basically was newschoolers for at least a decade and was still top of the game up to maybe 5 years ago. The comparable thing in skateboarding would be if say Tony Hawk and Andy Mac dropped some equivalent edit, that would probably be big news.

Also I think the way Simon disappeared lead to some of the hype about it. He basically vanished from skiing one day and never did it again. You didn't see him, hear from him, nothing.Now all of a sudden two of the most popular freeskiers of this century pop up and made a new edit - people are going to love the nostalgia factor, especially when the two of them made arguably a top 5 edit of all time a decade ago.
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You're absolutely right. I think some of my points/comparisons were hastily made. But I still think the nostalgia for older style skiing outweighs the excitement for innovation.
 
I don't know why everyone is taking this edit so seriously. It was a park edit they probably shot in two days of skiing?

Some users are running with it but it by no means skiing is reverting back??? This edit is not trying to put old vs new.

It's all a big blague, everyone needs to chill. That thread of [bigger vs smaller] is also a joke, why does everyone take the internet so seriously.
 
Wallisch got dumont to make a comeback and dropped this edit on the same day deliberately cause he doesn't fuck with the bunch. That's my hot take.
 
14117154:conorsux said:
Wallisch got dumont to make a comeback and dropped this edit on the same day deliberately cause he doesn't fuck with the bunch. That's my hot take.
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I dont think this is true, I just want it to be true
 
14117145:pokerman said:
I don't know why everyone is taking this edit so seriously. It was a park edit they probably shot in two days of skiing?

Some users are running with it but it by no means skiing is reverting back??? This edit is not trying to put old vs new.

It's all a big blague, everyone needs to chill. That thread of [bigger vs smaller] is also a joke, why does everyone take the internet so seriously.
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I think you're making trolling seem more innocent than it actually is. I'm sure most of the people in that thread are joking, but some probably aren't. Trolling is a way to normalize certain ideas that were previously unacceptable. That's why it's wack when people make purposefully offensive jokes and brush it off by saying "chill bro I'm just trolling XD" because at a certain point somebody will take it seriously and then it's not a joke anymore, it's just someone's shitty opinion
 
14117165:pinkcamo1000 said:
I think you're making trolling seem more innocent than it actually is. I'm sure most of the people in that thread are joking, but some probably aren't. Trolling is a way to normalize certain ideas that were previously unacceptable. That's why it's wack when people make purposefully offensive jokes and brush it off by saying "chill bro I'm just trolling XD" because at a certain point somebody will take it seriously and then it's not a joke anymore, it's just someone's shitty opinion
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haha

You realize this is the internet right? If someone gets offended by an internet joke in a forum on Newschoolers they need to wake up. My reply in that thread was literally " Being offensive > Taking offence to everything".

I'll bet my left nut that you were the only person who downvoted it haha.
 
14117174:pokerman said:
haha

You realize this is the internet right? If someone gets offended by an internet joke in a forum on Newschoolers they need to wake up. My reply in that thread was literally " Being offensive > Taking offence to everything".

I'll bet my left nut that you were the only person who downvoted it haha.
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Yeah it was me, I think it's wack to try to offend people just for the fun of it. IMO that's just being an asshole.

what does "you realize this is the internet right?" even mean? If I see something I disagree with, I'll disagree with it. Just cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're an SJW searching for things to get offended at, it just means they disagree with you. It's really annoying when you're trying to have a discussion with someone and their response is just "WHY ARE YOU SO OFFENDED BRO DONT YOU KNOW IM TROLLING??"

not all all trolling is bad, there's plenty of funny troll-y shit on this site, but saying things purely for the sake of getting people riled up with no joke involved is just kind of a dick move if you ask me
 
People are just overhyping the fuck out of the edit. I’m not saying resurrection wasn’t good, I loved it, I’m just saying that it’s too early to say that an edit has “rebirthed the thug era”. You’re not gonna show up to the park this weekend and see everyone riding in 5xl doing 09 era tricks.
 
14117183:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
You’re not gonna show up to the park this weekend and see everyone riding in 5xl doing 09 era tricks.
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Lol yes you are. Just wait. Already dug my old baggy shit out of the basement for this weekend
 
14117183:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
People are just overhyping the fuck out of the edit. I’m not saying resurrection wasn’t good, I loved it, I’m just saying that it’s too early to say that an edit has “rebirthed the thug era”. You’re not gonna show up to the park this weekend and see everyone riding in 5xl doing 09 era tricks.
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I think it might be a beginning of a trend back to the thug era style. I have noticed lately there have been two joining voices of older people on NS reminiscing of the "Golden Era" and younger skiers bummed that the energy is gone and new wave is not something they are down on. Suddenly we get this catalyst of the Resurrection edit which everyone is suddenly stoked on which will hopefully lead to more edits and movies. Apparel companies will take note and the style will go with what is now becoming popular. The thug era was more than just tall T's- it was general hooliganism, energy and an in your face attitude that is something young people love to get down on. I mean, how many times do you really say, "FUCK YEAH" to a Bunch movie vs some of the old PHP films?
 
14117154:conorsux said:
Wallisch got dumont to make a comeback and dropped this edit on the same day deliberately cause he doesn't fuck with the bunch. That's my hot take.
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except elnour dropped after the resurrection edit and thebunch never announced what date...

**This post was edited on Mar 12th 2020 at 6:50:40pm
 
Leave it to you guys to find a way to be disappointed that we all got to see two fantastic edits in a couple days. Both are awesome; they're just really different. And like, do people not realize that there are plenty of people still clearly influenced by the OGs, Isaac Simhon (aka EZ_Panda) springs to mind immediately.
 
14117183:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
People are just overhyping the fuck out of the edit. I’m not saying resurrection wasn’t good, I loved it, I’m just saying that it’s too early to say that an edit has “rebirthed the thug era”. You’re not gonna show up to the park this weekend and see everyone riding in 5xl doing 09 era tricks.
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I mean I feel like some kids will see it and hop on the hype trail. Me personally, I feel like my style somewhat matches with the more golden era of skiing and I know yours does too. Resurrection will most likely cause younger kids to get stoked on the style as well. To what extent I’m not sure but I can almost guarantee at my hill there will be kids who had no idea who dumont was talking about the edit and getting hyped about it.
 
I have an XL tall FD jacket if anyone is looking to get real hood this weekend. Also have new surface and revision park skis (no rocker, just pure camber son) if you want to nose butter like dumont
 
Wrote it on facebook, gonna wrote it here:

It was a long time coming. Someone had to do this, Simon and Tom happened to be the ones. It could have been Tanner, could have been someone else. It was a matter of time till some of the old dogs would show the new wave trash where their place is. It had to be done. It’s done.

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Shit, those guys got me pumped. Hadn't logged in Newschoolers for years, just pulled out the tall hoodies from the back of a closet and now I feel the urge to go to garage to dig out the ol' 2010 Armada T-Hall's and get back on skis again. Fuck.

**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2020 at 5:04:29am
 
You seem to praise Elnour just for being 15 minutes long and having more work put into it. But thats almost the problem. The only part of Elnour worth watching is the urban segment. Instead of seeing 100% real shit skiing Elnour is filled with random clips and too much filler footage. I had to skip through half of the edit just to see some actual impressive skiing. Meanwhile Resurrection is a 4 minute video of two of the greatest freestyle skiers of all time throwing down constant bangers. I had to watch it 3 times just to break down all the tricks. Thats how you make an exciting video. I would watch Resurrection 20 times before watching all of Elnour once.
 
14117423:t.neal_207 said:
You seem to praise Elnour just for being 15 minutes long and having more work put into it. But thats almost the problem. The only part of Elnour worth watching is the urban segment. Instead of seeing 100% real shit skiing Elnour is filled with random clips and too much filler footage. I had to skip through half of the edit just to see some actual impressive skiing. Meanwhile Resurrection is a 4 minute video of two of the greatest freestyle skiers of all time throwing down constant bangers. I had to watch it 3 times just to break down all the tricks. Thats how you make an exciting video. I would watch Resurrection 20 times before watching all of Elnour once.
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this is just your personal taste though. It's ok if you don't like the bunch editing style and prefer 100% skiing shots at a slushy spring park, nobody is telling you that you have to like the bunch. I'm sure there are people out there who would criticize Resurrection for featuring stock comp tricks that we've seen hundreds of times in a park that we see edits from almost every day.

Some people prefer more artistic edits, others prefer straight bangers. I think both are dope.
 
I don’t see the videos competing against each other. They are both beautiful displays of ski culture in such different facets and that’s really special. One isn’t taking anything away from the other. I would say they elevate each other if anything just due to their contrast, which is really cool.

Above all I am just thankful for people who are making stuff like this. It’s not easy, and it’s so fundamental to the community no matter your opinion of the style.
 
14117427:pinkcamo1000 said:
this is just your personal taste though. It's ok if you don't like the bunch editing style and prefer 100% skiing shots at a slushy spring park, nobody is telling you that you have to like the bunch. I'm sure there are people out there who would criticize Resurrection for featuring stock comp tricks that we've seen hundreds of times in a park that we see edits from almost every day.

Some people prefer more artistic edits, others prefer straight bangers. I think both are dope.
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100% valid point. I think if Resurrection was with different skiers it would not be nearly as special. But just being Simon and Tom makes it special to tons of people because Simon disappeared from skiing for five years and had this as a comeback and they have to be considered two of the all time greats
 
Maybe it’s just me wanting it to be true but as a guy whose taken a big step back from skiing for last few years of skiing due to injuries and college and only just came back and bought new skis just because of this edit, it just feels like right now there is a push back from a lot of different corners to get back to genre of skiing that most of us idiots on NS grew up wanting to do. Sure technically speaking guys like Dumont and Tom are not doing the craziest biggest tricks in the sport right now but it’s more to do with the FEEL of it, it’s like being baked and listening to some old Rolling Stones (or whatever you want) song vs some Heavy Metal song sure the metal is harder technically to do abut I’d rather watch/listen to something that makes me fucking feel something and want to go skiing. Also as a guy who hasn’t even logged on to Newschoolers in years and had to make a new account what the fuck happened to us lol, I’m seeing polite well worded responses on all the forums? Like what happened to the NS community being a thing of its own and us being absolutely weird as hell
 
I've typically been a big fan of the Bunch (Finito is one of my go-to edits to get hyped), but I honestly thought Elnour was pretty shit. I was waiting for it to be over the entire time and the skiing itself didn't blow me away.

I feel like the bunch is just spreading themselves too thin now (all the ON3P movies, X games real-ski, Level 1 movies, Elnour, etc.) and think they pretty clearly put out their best stuff when all of them are focused on one movie. Wish they would get back to this.
 
14117183:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
People are just overhyping the fuck out of the edit. I’m not saying resurrection wasn’t good, I loved it, I’m just saying that it’s too early to say that an edit has “rebirthed the thug era”. You’re not gonna show up to the park this weekend and see everyone riding in 5xl doing 09 era tricks.
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Wasn’t Tom wearing skinny pants?

simon should have definitely wore the bibs down like he did back in the day

also I don’t get all this Dumont love, like he use to get shit on here all the time back in the day.

loved the edit, stoked to see both Tom and Dumont still able to kill it and it was a breath of fresh air.

Please NS bring back the xxl baggy fit pants and 5xl hoodies.

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14117457:TheClap. said:
also I don’t get all this Dumont love, like he use to get shit on here all the time back in the day.
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I listened to the dumonts recent powell movement interview and I still can't stand the guys personality but damn he can fuckin ski
 
14117454:GrandThings said:
I feel like the bunch is just spreading themselves too thin now (all the ON3P movies, X games real-ski, Level 1 movies, Elnour, etc.) and think they pretty clearly put out their best stuff when all of them are focused on one movie. Wish they would get back to this.
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I think this is true for every movie post finito. Interpretation, Color, and Elnour all pretty much 2 extremely sick athlete segments mixed in with a bunch of random shots from other skiers. They're all good movies but don't compare to the original trilogy.

I'm stoked the boys are going all in for the movie this year, Elena should be fire
 
I thought color was pretty good

14117472:pinkcamo1000 said:
I think this is true for every movie post finito. Interpretation, Color, and Elnour all pretty much 2 extremely sick athlete segments mixed in with a bunch of random shots from other skiers. They're all good movies but don't compare to the original trilogy.

I'm stoked the boys are going all in for the movie this year, Elena should be fire
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I'm just gonna go back to OP's post and throw my thoughts out there...

"What does the Resurrection/Elnour contrast say about our sport?" - I think it shows how diverse styles are, no right or wrong way to do it. Also the fact that both styles can exist at the same time and be equally as dope. I watched both edits today and liked both.

"Tom and Simon made a sick part, but what does it say about skiing that the only thing we want to see are the tricks people were doing 8 years ago?" - There is a (mostly) finite number of tricks that can be done, but in different ways just like in both of these edits. Idk how many cork 5 bluts i've seen in my lifetime so far but i'm sure I'll watch another few thousand and have no complaints.

"Skiing is sick and its frustrating to see it get taken over by mumble rap and track pants and lazy shuffles and dudes that are constantly skiing slow and touching the ground" - Would agree here, really hate a lot of music choices. Wouldn't say the music in Elnour was bad (not what I would listen to though) but Tom and Simon had a dope track that really helps make the edit. Track pants I could care less about, i'll never wear them but plenty of snowboarders do too so idk if its really limited to skiing. I do think there is a fine line between shuffling as a style, and shuffling because its trendy or hiding a botched landing.

"And besides, who would you rather have representing our sport as it inevitably moves into the future? A certain pair of skier/model twins that pose duckface on tik tok?" - idk how this really relates to the main question, but old wave or new wave, I don't really care as long as it shows how dope skiing is and people are having fun with it. Guys that are doing it for the likes and internet fame can gtfo.
 
It shows how embarrassing the lack of talent there is with the Bunch and how pathetic NSers are for praising the Bunch for doing stupid basic shit for so long.
 
Just forced myself to waste the time to watch full length of Elnour - the time I'll never get back in my life. Shit. It's garbage. Bunch of pu$$ies (see what I did there), no talent no nothing.

Now I just have to figure out how to get my spirit back. Probably time to rewatch some PoorBoyz classics - Revolver, Everyday is a Saturday, ... Tracing Skylines also might do...
 
14117569:Barons said:
Just forced myself to waste the time to watch full length of Elnour - the time I'll never get back in my life. Shit. It's garbage. Bunch of pu$$ies (see what I did there), no talent no nothing.

Now I just have to figure out how to get my spirit back. Probably time to rewatch some PoorBoyz classics - Revolver, Everyday is a Saturday, ... Tracing Skylines also might do...
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Everyday Is A Saturday helps your point. Revolver and Tracing Skylines IMO represent a true low point in ski film making. Mostly good skiing in both, but the creative direction on each is really boring and corny. I think Level 1 has done a great job putting together cohesive projects that show a diversity of styles. PBP not so much.
 
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