What are your views on fabricateing clips for edits?

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So what do you guys think? If you do not already know a fabrication is when you tamper with clips on an editing software to make it look like you landed it when you fell. So basically cutting the clip before you fall.... You could also mirror your left spins to make it look like you can do good right spins. So what do you guys think. I believe this is a topic that deserves to be talked about and has remained not talked about for a while. I personally believe that fraudulent behavior such as this is unacceptable and I have zero tolerance for it.

**This thread was edited on Mar 19th 2018 at 4:26:02pm
 
I remember some keystone guy years ago mirrored a left foot blind 6 out so it looked like a right foot blind 6 out. It was really obvious and when everybody called him out in it, he tried to play it off as being an accident
 
13905956:Rparr said:
I remember some keystone guy years ago mirrored a left foot blind 6 out so it looked like a right foot blind 6 out. It was really obvious and when everybody called him out in it, he tried to play it off as being an accident
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I remember that...shit was gold
 
13905956:Rparr said:
I remember some keystone guy years ago mirrored a left foot blind 6 out so it looked like a right foot blind 6 out. It was really obvious and when everybody called him out in it, he tried to play it off as being an accident
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I remember another guy had a superunknown or something where half the footage was him and the other half was Hornbeck lol
 
13905999:AndrewGravesSV said:
I remember another guy had a superunknown or something where half the footage was him and the other half was Hornbeck lol
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do you remember what it was called by chance? I would love to see that lol
 
topic:ataythos said:
So basically cutting the clip before you fall
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No one does this. At least that I've seen. If you cut the clip short prior to the skier making contact with snow right before they fall, people will just assume they fell and will realize exactly what's going on. I don't think this is an issue that really warrants discussion. The people on ns aren't idiots and will easily notice and call out any "fraudulent behaviour"
 
If you are using the clips for self promotion/making it look like left/right tricks, then that pisses me off, but if you are horizontally flipping a clip or cutting before you fall in order to make a edit flow/look better I think that’s fine.
 
13906035:ataythos said:
Recently it’s more common with kids. Today I saw more than one fabricated clip
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can ya post examples? I'm curious, I don't see it often either
 
I fabricated a clip in my last edit. Gaeta fell over shortly after i cut the second to last clip, this lip slide to switch on the dfdfd. def didnt ride it out. I'd say stuff like that happens more than people care to notice. another one in this edit too actually, rorys wall ride to 2 on the down tube was not landed. he was out of view for the fall so i used it anyway.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/897522/Drink-in-Reserve[/video]
 
13906044:-Dan said:
I fabricated a clip in my last edit. Gaeta fell over shortly after i cut the second to last clip, this lip slide to switch on the dfdfd. def didnt ride it out. I'd say stuff like that happens more than people care to notice. another one in this edit too actually, rorys wall ride to 2 on the down tube was not landed. he was out of view for the fall so i used it anyway.

[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/897522/Drink-in-Reserve[/video]
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I think most of us here would agree that's not nearly as egregious as mirroring a clip to make it look like it was unnat
 
I think it happens a lot more in skating. Its easy to cut to a different angle of the shot or another and make it look like one trick, when it could be 2 or 3 different tries.
 
topic:ataythos said:
So what do you guys think? If you do not already know a fabrication is when you tamper with clips on an editing software to make it look like you landed it when you fell. So basically cutting the clip before you fall.... You could also mirror your left spins to make it look like you can do good right spins. So what do you guys think. I believe this is a topic that deserves to be talked about and has remained not talked about for a while. I personally believe that fraudulent behavior such as this is unacceptable and I have zero tolerance for it.

**This thread was edited on Mar 19th 2018 at 4:26:02pm
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Real Laps............no BS there, it's all Real. Zero tolerance may be a bit harsh though for those that like to edit.
 
13906047:Rparr said:
I think most of us here would agree that's not nearly as egregious as mirroring a clip to make it look like it was unnat
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Yeah mirroring tricks is super weak. I hope it rarely happens, particularly among top-level skiers.
 
13906074:Z-Juice said:
Yeah mirroring tricks is super weak. I hope it rarely happens, particularly among top-level skiers.
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Literally no one does it... some kid mirrored these shots of Karl on chads last year, but it was insanely obvious.
 
yeah i don't think it happens very much at all at a high level. that's more of a middle school thing to try to pull haha, people will call that shit right out nowadays

i mean, hell, if you even cut a landing i think most viewers will assume it wasn't stomped, e.g. tanner's trip backy in his last movie IIRC
 
Haha your totally got it right I was referring mostly to middle school level it’s why people think it’s not that common. But if you follow a bunch of kids on instagram you’ll totally see haha
13906229:SofaKingSick said:
yeah i don't think it happens very much at all at a high level. that's more of a middle school thing to try to pull haha, people will call that shit right out nowadays

i mean, hell, if you even cut a landing i think most viewers will assume it wasn't stomped, e.g. tanner's trip backy in his last movie IIRC
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13906367:A_Harrington said:
Peep the two clips after 1:50
https://www.tetongravity.com/video/ski/rogue-elements-street-segment
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Or are you talking about the rail after? It's definitely flipped, not sure why, it didn't really add to the trick (unnatural i guess but were talking about a pro skier) and its not like they had two features, two tricks that were the same direction and mirrored one to make it appear he was doing a more difficult trick. I would consider what they did to be a "film making" move vs a "trying to appear more difficult".
 
13906369:eheath said:
Or are you talking about the rail after? It's definitely flipped, not sure why, it didn't really add to the trick (unnatural i guess but were talking about a pro skier) and its not like they had two features, two tricks that were the same direction and mirrored one to make it appear he was doing a more difficult trick. I would consider what they did to be a "film making" move vs a "trying to appear more difficult".
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how do you know it's flipped, do you know the spot or something? i didnt notice at all

that's interesting though! especially since sean jordan of all people is dirt nasty at sliding both ways haha. i do agree with you that that example is probably more of a film making move vs a skiing tech move. however i still think it should be frowned upon (and prosecuted in the supreme court of ski movies)
 
Being still in middle school this is very common with kids my age. I can definitely see your point about this not being very common with pros (cause it isn’t) but just find a classic 12 year old edit. There’s sure to be one fabricated clip in their. And most commonly it’s ending the video before you fall (rarely mirroring) but it still happens.
13906369:eheath said:
Or are you talking about the rail after? It's definitely flipped, not sure why, it didn't really add to the trick (unnatural i guess but were talking about a pro skier) and its not like they had two features, two tricks that were the same direction and mirrored one to make it appear he was doing a more difficult trick. I would consider what they did to be a "film making" move vs a "trying to appear more difficult".
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13906384:SofaKingSick said:
how do you know it's flipped, do you know the spot or something? i didnt notice at all

that's interesting though! especially since sean jordan of all people is dirt nasty at sliding both ways haha. i do agree with you that that example is probably more of a film making move vs a skiing tech move. however i still think it should be frowned upon (and prosecuted in the supreme court of ski movies)
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The FT (which is mirrored in the close up shots as you can see, its backwards) and when he jumps on the rail you can see his boot looks the same as the shot before.

Also, the under armour logo is on the right side, everything UA makes has the logo on the left, you can even search google photos "sean jordan under armour" and like 10-15 photos in you see him wearing what appears to be the exact same hoodie and the logo is on the left side (might be in the video as well, only watched at 1:50).
 
13906369:eheath said:
Or are you talking about the rail after? It's definitely flipped, not sure why, it didn't really add to the trick (unnatural i guess but were talking about a pro skier) and its not like they had two features, two tricks that were the same direction and mirrored one to make it appear he was doing a more difficult trick. I would consider what they did to be a "film making" move vs a "trying to appear more difficult".
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Referring to the actual trick not the boot filler. This was just an example that came to mind when you said nobody flips clips, because I've been to this spot and noticed they flipped it. Hitting rails unnatural is intrinsically more difficult even for people who get paid to ski. I highly doubt they were trying to make the clip seem more difficult. I think you are right that an extremely misguided "filmaker" thought it would be more cinematic. But still a very out of touch and wack move.
 
13906005:Rparr said:
do you remember what it was called by chance? I would love to see that lol
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Idk how to embedd shit but heres the link^

this kid is from my hometown and I sure hope nobody thought it was serious lol
 
13906517:nikoosh said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWix-p4ooAg

Idk how to embedd shit but heres the link^

this kid is from my hometown and I sure hope nobody thought it was serious lol
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[VIDEO]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWix-p4ooAg[/VIDEO]

Super glad he wasn't serious otherwise that'd be fucked
 
13906403:A_Harrington said:
Referring to the actual trick not the boot filler. This was just an example that came to mind when you said nobody flips clips, because I've been to this spot and noticed they flipped it. Hitting rails unnatural is intrinsically more difficult even for people who get paid to ski. I highly doubt they were trying to make the clip seem more difficult. I think you are right that an extremely misguided "filmaker" thought it would be more cinematic. But still a very out of touch and wack move.
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I think your statement about skiers not being able to slide rails both ways is a bit flawed, but I don't necessarily want to dive into that right now.

As for the filmmakers, TGR/stept/clayton and cam produced this segment, certainly they're not out of touch and chose to do it for some purpose(im sure it could be explained by the creators) but I would say with certainty that they did not modify the shot to create the illusion he was doing a harder trick than was shown, I see no issue with it at all.
 
The more elaborate the fabrication, the more impressive it is. In many cases, the techniques used to fabricate and mislead eclipse the tricks themselves. I believe film makers deserve more credit for this than they currently get. #payyourfilmer
 
Steve Stepp's abraham cain video had plenty of that. he threw a bunch of dubs but only showed the landing for one of them ahahaha.
 
Mirroring rarely happens because kids are the most guilty of this sneaky editing, and they don't care about pretending they can do stuff unnatural. on the other hand I think everyone cut landings and shit in their gaper days to make it look like they stomped instead of hip checked or hand dragged or something. I certainly did.
 
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