What are nice Middle Price Bindings

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StezzyDope

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What are nice bindings that are cheap but just as good as a $400 dollar pair of bindings? Also what are nice bindings for the park? I want the most bang for my buck but i am willing to spend a lot of money on a really nice, and worth it pair of bindings.
 
FKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you
 
also you'll pretty much never need anything above a 12-din binding unless you're seriously hard charging. so pick the cheaper, lower-din option
 
13133759:treebeard said:
FKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you
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Ill defiantly go with the FKS or Pivots thanks for the response treebeard$.
 
Almost All of the bindings you posted MSRP for around $400 and are the high end bindings.

I am confused by this thread.
 
13133924:Profahoben_212 said:
Almost All of the bindings you posted MSRP for around $400 and are the high end bindings.

I am confused by this thread.
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search around a bit and you shouldn't have any trouble finding FKS or Pivots for about $260
 
13133759:treebeard said:
FKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you
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No your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.
 
Any attack 13 will be great; tyrolia, head, fischer, 4FRNT, etc. Tyrolia contracts out to a bunch of other companies.
 
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http://www.the-house.com/ty1at131514zz-head-ski-bindings.html?gclid=CNmnlr_V5cACFc1i7AodjWcAbw
 
13134079:treebeard said:
search around a bit and you shouldn't have any trouble finding FKS or Pivots for about $260
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Yes I realize, but what bindings other than techs do you have to search for a sale for to find at $400?
 
13134190:Negromancer said:
No your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.
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you're a fucking idiot. "when they're not the right binding for you" what the fuck does that even mean? these are a park-specific binding like he asked for.

also: "The heelpiece rotates directly under the tibia to provide consistent release in twisting falls, and the toe and heel have the most elastic travel on the market, which means that DIN can be set lower without risking premature release, so your skis will stay on and come off only when they should, letting you ski harder and safer."

lol no safer my ass. get the fuck real and get out of this thread
 
13134190:Negromancer said:
No your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.
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you're a grade A dipshit.
 
13134359:treebeard said:
you're a fucking idiot. "when they're not the right binding for you" what the fuck does that even mean? these are a park-specific binding like he asked for.

also: "The heelpiece rotates directly under the tibia to provide consistent release in twisting falls, and the toe and heel have the most elastic travel on the market, which means that DIN can be set lower without risking premature release, so your skis will stay on and come off only when they should, letting you ski harder and safer."

lol no safer my ass. get the fuck real and get out of this thread
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There is no substantial evidence that proves that the FKS is safer than any other binding out there. The only binding known to be safer is indeed the knee binding.

When he said "not the right binding for you", I am assuming that he was talking about the din being too high. Which it might be for the 14, and there is a 95% chance it is for the 18's.

There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding. Also they definitely are not the best for park, due to the fact that when you snap the brakes, a new set of brakes cost around $125. That amount of money is no good when landing switch often, because breaks will be broken.

I don't understand why you are so angry, plus you are wrong.

Out of those bindings OP I would suggest the Deadbolts. But also look at the STH2 13 and the Attack 13.
 
13134428:Profahoben_212 said:
There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding.
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They were designed as a ski binding. Whether youre racing riding park or dropping cliffs the tables are meant to do the same thing, avoid strain from twisting falls. Theres no scientific evidence because you cant run a study on 100 people and tell them all to tear their acls on two different sets of bindings.
 
13134507:dbchili said:
They were designed as a ski binding. Whether youre racing riding park or dropping cliffs the tables are meant to do the same thing, avoid strain from twisting falls. Theres no scientific evidence because you cant run a study on 100 people and tell them all to tear their acls on two different sets of bindings.
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The technology exists, I'm sure some data could be collected from testing equipment like this:
 
13134628:[nick said:
]The technology exists, I'm sure some data could be collected from testing equipment like this:
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Find the average strength needed to tear an acl, and then run the bindings through a series of tests and see what bindings hit that number most. Force them to release at different angles etc.

it could be done.

^^very good point. ALL bindings are just bindings (minus AT). But some are more geared towards free skiing than others. I simply would not suggest FKS because their brakes are very expensive compared to their competitor bomber bindings.
 
Both the rossignol axial 2 and 3 are great bindings for the price (loads of bang fo yo buck). If you're looking to throw a couple stacks go with the fks or pivots, they're the most rugged and some of the safest bindings that you can buy. They're a solid $200 more than axials though, so unless you have a killer deal they're not exactly the most cost effective.
 
rossignol is making an fks in a 12 din setting. its 250 bucks. if you don't charge really hard and/or weigh a lot you should be fine with those. Fks/pivot or the safest binders on the market imo. When you pop out its really clean and smooth. The pivoting heal saves your knee ligaments. Do yourself a favor and get any of the fks/pivot bindings
 
13134428:Profahoben_212 said:
There is no substantial evidence that proves that the FKS is safer than any other binding out there. The only binding known to be safer is indeed the knee binding.

When he said "not the right binding for you", I am assuming that he was talking about the din being too high. Which it might be for the 14, and there is a 95% chance it is for the 18's.

There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding. Also they definitely are not the best for park, due to the fact that when you snap the brakes, a new set of brakes cost around $125. That amount of money is no good when landing switch often, because breaks will be broken.

I don't understand why you are so angry, plus you are wrong.

Out of those bindings OP I would suggest the Deadbolts. But also look at the STH2 13 and the Attack 13.
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Thank you this guy knows what's up.

Treebeard you're a fucking retarded shit cunt who obviously knows fuck all.

Firstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.

Secondly find me one piece of information or article NOT from Rossignol or Look that actually proves that the rotating heel provides extra safety.

Thirdly you shouldn't recommend pretty much the highest DIN bindings on the market to someone when you don't even know they're weight, height and ability. What happens if OP is like 160cm tall and 50Kg. He there is absolutely no need for someone of that size to buy FKS.

Lastly FKS aren't the be all and end all. They have numerous problems such as shitty brakes which are hard to replace and expensive, they are druable but they have quite a bit of plastic that breaks such as the base plate nad lastly they aren't adjustable at all compared to other bindings.
 
Dude i found you and i found this thread randomly. But look into the Rossignol Axium Bindings. Theyre sweet and not expensive like the 150-200 dollar price range. I have them for my skis theyre great.!!!!!
 
13134978:GrumpisPringle said:
Fks/pivot or the safest binders on the market imo. When you pop out its really clean and smooth. The pivoting heal saves your knee ligaments.
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Of all the misconceptions in the binding world, this is probably the biggest. The heel on FKS/Pivot bindings does nothing to prevent knee injury and the Rossignol Group never claims that it does. That the heel prevents knee injury is a conclusion people jump to because it turns. There is no claim nor proof from Rossi that this specifically reduces knee injury.

13135102:Negromancer said:
Firstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.
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Negromancer is right, plus almost every single "top end" binding comes from racing development because they need to be insanely durable and favor retention rather than release. Whether the binding is meant for park or race usually comes down to what color it's painted. Marker is one exception that comes to mind since the Royal Family of bindings comes from freeride touring, not race.
 
13135102:Negromancer said:
Firstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.
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The FKS is based on Look heel piece technology that at its core has essentially remained uncharged for the past 40 years.

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Their claim to fame is elastic travel which allows the DIN to be set lower than you would on a competitor binding without pre-releasing. This is what primarily saves your knees, not the pivot action.

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13135706:[nick said:
]Their claim to fame is elastic travel which allows the DIN to be set lower than you would on a competitor binding without pre-releasing. This is what primarily saves your knees, not the pivot action.
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Again, nothing about the binding design is intended nor describes "saving your knees". As your picture points out- their argument goes as follows: more elastic travel = staying in the binding at a lower DIN level & not pre-releasing. Do not confuse "not pre-releasing" with "saving knees". The two points are very separate. All they are trying to argue is that you stay in (not pre-releasing) at a lower DIN.
 
13135716:onenerdykid said:
Again, nothing about the binding design is intended nor describes "saving your knees". As your picture points out- their argument goes as follows: more elastic travel = staying in the binding at a lower DIN level & not pre-releasing. Do not confuse "not pre-releasing" with "saving knees". The two points are very separate. All they are trying to argue is that you stay in (not pre-releasing) at a lower DIN.
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I totally agree, I guess I made the assumption that if you are riding at a lower DIN when it comes time to actually release it may have some benefits for your knees.

Of course like you point out, Rossi/Look never actually makes the claim themselves.
 
i can honestly say the fks or pivot is the best binding ive ridden. i can also say that i know for a fact that the pivoting of the heelpiece has definitely saved my knees more than once where other bindings would not have released
 
a pivot heel does not make a safer binding for your knees. The reason it has remained a popular binding is because of the tiny bit of elasticity that the heel provides, reducing pre releasing. Other than that they have the same release values of every other top end binding. Maybe you could make the argument that a pivot heel is somewhat safer in a no fall situation but most high end bindings are pretty solid these days and if your riding at your proper din level you wont have a problem. Either way I have found that you can find Head/Tyrolla/fischer (whatever other company) for a decent price, especially if you go for last years model or used. Solid construction, good din ranges, and really durable. You dont have to spend a lot of money to find nice bindings.
 
Treebeard: 3300 posts of doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. You guys are luck that Oneornery still spends time dropping REAL industry knowledge on all you clueless fuckwads.
 
not to say that there is proof on paper about the pivot heel saving your knees. To me it just seems logical. Either way though i still think they are the best on the market.
 
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