what does that even mean. i read that like 4 times and cant understand your post. yeah, i havent skied my volkls yet but everyone i know that has them says they are the best ski they have ever tried. just holding my karmas they feel like they are built like a tank. just the construction on them is immaculate, and they are so stiff to i love it. cant wait to have a ski that skis like a race gs ski, but has a twin so i can ski it switch too. probably my nicest pair of skis, 177 karmas with fks 120 mounted at true center.