Vail Rant

[Whackson]

Just this year I have made the decision to start going to Big Boulder instead of Shawnee Mountain as their terrain parks are way better. So I got the peak pass and all of the sudden the news broke to me about vail buying almost EVERY FUCKING MOUNTAIN IN THE EAST COAST. I’m pissed cause now I won’t be able to afford it if they keep this up and get rid of the regular peak pass tickets. Paying west coast prices for east coast mountains is not the move for us broke boys. Now this vail purchase can be good for those who travel often but I hope they just have regular peak passes for next season along with this epic stuff so it can still be affordable for those who don’t travel often.

 

[hootsquad]

I saw the news about big boulder this morning. Really hoping it doesn't effect much with management because the park crew does an amazing job building a fun park and scene in general

 

[NBenson]

Vail resorts sucks. I live in Colorado and thankfully some mountains avoid vail resorts and A Basin made the right move to drop the epic pass. Vail and epic piss me off. Make skiing great again and ban vail

 

[Whackson]

Vail resorts sucks. I live in Colorado and thankfully some mountains avoid vail resorts and A Basin made the right move to drop the epic pass. Vail and epic piss me off. Make skiing great again and ban vail

I’m just pissed cause I DO NOT wanna go back to my home mountains shitty ass terrain parks

 

[Chubz.]

Seeing as Big Boulder is Jack Frost's sister resort i wouldn't expect vail to change anything with big boulder. The entire mountain is a terrain park for a reason. If you're going to travel to the poconos to ski park, big boulder is the destination and has one of the top elite parks on the east coast. They do large park shoots with Snowboy & Ski The East every single year and unless they fire Pat Morgan in the next couple months which i really do not see happening the parks at big boulder will not change.

It's called the content factory for a reason, a ton of their marketing is park oriented.

 

[Whackson]

Seeing as Big Boulder is Jack Frost's sister resort i wouldn't expect vail to change anything with big boulder. The entire mountain is a terrain park for a reason. If you're going to travel to the poconos to ski park, big boulder is the destination and has one of the top elite parks on the east coast. They do large park shoots with Snowboy & Ski The East every single year and unless they fire Pat Morgan in the next couple months which i really do not see happening the parks at big boulder will not change.

It's called the content factory for a reason, a ton of their marketing is park oriented.

I’m not scared of the park changing because Ik it’ll be the same since it is big boulder. I’m scared that I’ll have to pay 700$ for big boulder. I just hope they keep the 400$ peak pass cause that is something I can afford.

 

[theabortionator]

I saw the news about big boulder this morning. Really hoping it doesn't effect much with management because the park crew does an amazing job building a fun park and scene in general

Will probably suck as far as $$$. The drifter pass was a killer deal for peak. I wish they had had that or mt snows $300 ish for anyone under ___ (that was offered before) a few years earlier. Used to ride mt snow a ton. Never made it to BB woulda def if I had a peak pass.

As far as the parks I think it will be okay, at least I hope so. That was my thoughts with BB and Mt Snow being east coast park powerhouses. Hoping they stay legit. Vail still lets keystone get pretty rowdy and Northstar and PC have a decent amount of park funding.

Vail resorts sucks. I live in Colorado and thankfully some mountains avoid vail resorts and A Basin made the right move to drop the epic pass. Vail and epic piss me off. Make skiing great again and ban vail

It's cool being 12 I guess. The worst part of the Vail Resorts in CO isn't vail, but their proximity to Denver. This recent purchase is a little tough, but most of the vail haters don't have shit for a good argument.

With the big corporate mtns in CO is wouldn't make a big difference whether Vail owned them or not. People just love to jump on the VR hate bandwagon.

 

[Static]

Will probably suck as far as $$$. The drifter pass was a killer deal for peak. I wish they had had that or mt snows $300 ish for anyone under ___ (that was offered before) a few years earlier. Used to ride mt snow a ton. Never made it to BB woulda def if I had a peak pass.

As far as the parks I think it will be okay, at least I hope so. That was my thoughts with BB and Mt Snow being east coast park powerhouses. Hoping they stay legit. Vail still lets keystone get pretty rowdy and Northstar and PC have a decent amount of park funding.

It's cool being 12 I guess. The worst part of the Vail Resorts in CO isn't vail, but their proximity to Denver. This recent purchase is a little tough, but most of the vail haters don't have shit for a good argument.

With the big corporate mtns in CO is wouldn't make a big difference whether Vail owned them or not. People just love to jump on the VR hate bandwagon.

It's not people getting on the hate bandwagon, it's people seeing actual changes after the acquisitions. Bunches of resorts have been bought up by now and there is a laundry list of transgressions at each one.

**This post was edited on Jul 24th 2019 at 4:54:05am

 

[theabortionator]

It's not people getting on the hate bandwagon, it's people seeing actual changes after the acquisitions. Bunches of resorts have been bought up by now and there is a laundry list of transgressions at each one.

**This post was edited on Jul 24th 2019 at 4:54:05am

Not really. Plenty of these placea were shitholes that saw massive improvements . Some places actually had season pass prices drop. But nobody will ever talk about positives.

I dont like a lot of things Vail does but working in the ski industry for 20 seasons I feel that people are full of shit. It's easy/convenient to hate Vail. Im not saying Vail is great but people have a warped understanding of things. There are plenty of small independent ski areas run like total shit.

It's a bandwagon hate train because people will never acknowledge positives, and dive full on into the hate even with no good reason.

The vast majority of vail hate comes down to it being trendy. Thats a fact. I don't like defending vail but it's annoying seeing all the clueless asshats say "rabble rabble something corporations bad" every season.

 

[theabortionator]

And I've only worked for Vail 3 put of those 20 seasons. Opinions are opinions but I feel I'm looking at things fairly objectively.

I have plenty of my own complaints but reading the hate comments especially recent years makea me wut. Vail is fucked in plenty of ways but they've also done some good things. Investing in the infrastructure of smaller mtns etc.

People seem to think every small hill is perfect and every corp(or at least vail) is the devil, and those people are completely ignorant/full if shit.

 

[Static]

They have made negative changes at literally every level. Parking, grooming, lift maintenance, lift ticket prices, age threshold for lift tickets, snow reporting manipulation, changes to the pow cam, removed of shots on mountain, grooming, HR, employee benefits, employee rules, ticket prices, reduced seasons, terrain opening, capital improvements.... Seems like willful ignorance to not notice any of that shit.

 

[KilaTsunami]

Seeing as Big Boulder is Jack Frost's sister resort i wouldn't expect vail to change anything with big boulder. The entire mountain is a terrain park for a reason. If you're going to travel to the poconos to ski park, big boulder is the destination and has one of the top elite parks on the east coast. They do large park shoots with Snowboy & Ski The East every single year and unless they fire Pat Morgan in the next couple months which i really do not see happening the parks at big boulder will not change.

It's called the content factory for a reason, a ton of their marketing is park oriented.

"Big Boulder"

"Top Elite Park"

L.M.A.O

 

[Chubz.]

"Big Boulder"

"Top Elite Park"

L.M.A.O

Lol.....

compared to anything else on the east coast the only place with a better park is mt snow & maybe Killington..

 

[KilaTsunami]

Lol.....

compared to anything else on the east coast the only place with a better park is mt snow & maybe Killington..

Im only clowning on ur phrasing bcs im at BB legit every weekend and its just so ratchet sometimes lol

 

[Chubz.]

Im only clowning on ur phrasing bcs im at BB legit every weekend and its just so ratchet sometimes lol

??‍ Went there once in March and it was pretty good considering the conditions

 

[KilaTsunami]

??‍ Went there once in March and it was pretty good considering the conditions

The place used to be a winter wonder land tho, hopefully it was just a rough szn. I swear i went 20 times last year and it rained or was mad cloudy 18/20 times

 

[theabortionator]

They have made negative changes at literally every level. Parking, grooming, lift maintenance, lift ticket prices, age threshold for lift tickets, snow reporting manipulation, changes to the pow cam, removed of shots on mountain, grooming, HR, employee benefits, employee rules, ticket prices, reduced seasons, terrain opening, capital improvements.... Seems like willful ignorance to not notice any of that shit.

The mtn vibe/character/c harm whatever you want to call it takes a hit. They've improved grooming, so not sure where you're going with that. I never worked lift maintenance but they're far more likely to install some new lifts than a lot of the mountains they buy. Snow report manipulation? Not sure specifically what you're talking about, but a giant amount of resorts including some of the smallest ones are full of shit on their snow reports. Same as it ever was'd. They've been doing some whack shit with HR recently which isn't very chill. Employee benefits are pretty shot across the ski industry. I don't get comps any more. I did get a $525 pair of Scarpas for $100, a free or dirt cheap pair of $170 steel toes. And got some pretty solid deals on some touring gear. 40%-45% off. Missed out on getting it even cheaper.

The housing situation sucks and has been ignored places, but a lot of mountains are doing the same or don't offer employee housing.

Day tickets will likely go up, they didn't spike too ridiculously at the smaller mountains but it still sucks in terms of getting new people into the sport. The passes at a lot of those mountains stayed the same or got cheaper.

Most mountains close early because people don't give a fuck about skiing. Vails been decent about early openings, and Breck was still riding into mid June.

Are there negatives to Vail? Of course, but people will never talk about any of the positives. I'm not even stoked on this deal, but flipping through these threads and facebook it was more of the "Everything everywhere was perfect before Vail, and every small ski area is run amazing" and that simply isn't true. Call be ignorant, whatever.

 

[SkiBum.]

Seeing as Big Boulder is Jack Frost's sister resort i wouldn't expect vail to change anything with big boulder. The entire mountain is a terrain park for a reason. If you're going to travel to the poconos to ski park, big boulder is the destination and has one of the top elite parks on the east coast. They do large park shoots with Snowboy & Ski The East every single year and unless they fire Pat Morgan in the next couple months which i really do not see happening the parks at big boulder will not change.

It's called the content factory for a reason, a ton of their marketing is park oriented.

Vail fired Park Cities park Manager about 5 months in. Then hired a cheaper replacement. Then downsized parks.

 

[SkiBum.]

They have made negative changes at literally every level. Parking, grooming, lift maintenance, lift ticket prices, age threshold for lift tickets, snow reporting manipulation, changes to the pow cam, removed of shots on mountain, grooming, HR, employee benefits, employee rules, ticket prices, reduced seasons, terrain opening, capital improvements.... Seems like willful ignorance to not notice any of that shit.

I can agree with some of you’re bitching but overall you’re pretty wrong. Yeah you’re gonna pay for parking and expensive food and drink. Yellow jackets are annoying. They treat their employees like shit.

But fantastic lift upgrades every year. State of art snowmaking and grooming. One of the cheapest passes out there that works at so many areas.

I get the Vail haters. I personally don’t go to their resorts and my 2-5 vacations a year are not Vail ones and I give my money elsewhere. But you just pointed out a bunch of bullshit

 

[Chubz.]

Vail fired Park Cities park Manager about 5 months in. Then hired a cheaper replacement. Then downsized parks.

Park city is also a world wide destination that has more than 600 vertical feet lol

 

[KilaTsunami]

The mtn vibe/character/c harm whatever you want to call it takes a hit. They've improved grooming, so not sure where you're going with that. I never worked lift maintenance but they're far more likely to install some new lifts than a lot of the mountains they buy. Snow report manipulation? Not sure specifically what you're talking about, but a giant amount of resorts including some of the smallest ones are full of shit on their snow reports. Same as it ever was'd. They've been doing some whack shit with HR recently which isn't very chill. Employee benefits are pretty shot across the ski industry. I don't get comps any more. I did get a $525 pair of Scarpas for $100, a free or dirt cheap pair of $170 steel toes. And got some pretty solid deals on some touring gear. 40%-45% off. Missed out on getting it even cheaper.

The housing situation sucks and has been ignored places, but a lot of mountains are doing the same or don't offer employee housing.

Day tickets will likely go up, they didn't spike too ridiculously at the smaller mountains but it still sucks in terms of getting new people into the sport. The passes at a lot of those mountains stayed the same or got cheaper.

Most mountains close early because people don't give a fuck about skiing. Vails been decent about early openings, and Breck was still riding into mid June.

Are there negatives to Vail? Of course, but people will never talk about any of the positives. I'm not even stoked on this deal, but flipping through these threads and facebook it was more of the "Everything everywhere was perfect before Vail, and every small ski area is run amazing" and that simply isn't true. Call be ignorant, whatever.

Nah its true, Big Boulder is a DOPE place to go shred on the weekend and its very easy to forget all the bad during the off season, but there is a massive list of shit WRONG with places like Big Boulder that money would fix easily like there slow motion lift service lol

 

[Static]

I personally don’t go to their resorts and my 2-5 vacations a year are not Vail ones and I give my money elsewhere. But you just pointed out a bunch of bullshit

The overwhelming majority of local resident skiers ("SkiBum.s" if you're familiar with the term) think a Vail take over is bullshit and would happily have the shitty old owners back. Since you admittedly don't ski live or work at any of their resorts you might want to consider how well informed your opinion actually is.

 

[hootsquad]

Nah its true, Big Boulder is a DOPE place to go shred on the weekend and its very easy to forget all the bad during the off season, but there is a massive list of shit WRONG with places like Big Boulder that money would fix easily like there slow motion lift service lol

But the slo mo lift gives me plenty of time to scope out the park!

 

[SkiBum.]

The overwhelming majority of local resident skiers ("SkiBum.s" if you're familiar with the term) think a Vail take over is bullshit and would happily have the shitty old owners back. Since you admittedly don't ski live or work at any of their resorts you might want to consider how well informed your opinion actually is.

I do currently live at one of their resort towns and was a part of one of their biggest buyouts a bunch of years back.

 

[TOAST.]

The smaller mid west resorts have there own season passes for $450 so I'd imagine there will be other pass options for these newly acquired resorts than just the epic passes. Sure it's still not as good of a deal as the drifter pass but at the same time that pass was an insanely good deal.

Having roundtop as my home hill which was bought by Peak last year I think I prefer to have vail as the owners now. Peaks pricing was pretty trash if you weren't 18-29. Now for $50 more I can ski resorts out west.

 

[Pyduck]

Vail is about one thing don’t be fooled if it’s not making $$$ and your not spending $$$ they could careless.Vail SUCKS!!! Worst thing to happen to skiing

 

[Pyduck]

A honest thought I would have been a happy Vail minion like millions of others except for one thing I needed help with a screw up during my upgrade.This is when Vail’s true colors came through.Trust me they were concerned with one thing my payment cleared after that you are on your own.Worst experience of my life and the lies really took me by surprise.Very bad bunch