Ultimate suicide note?
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marsh.
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ok the site got taken down.. heres the mirror- http://www.zeroshare.info/january_1_2012
howlongcanausern
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can i get a tl;dr?
howlongcanausern
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lawl +k
TheUngroomed
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he made it seem okay... sooo creepy
ILLinoisance
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The arrogance in his writing is unbearable. Oh, and "pier pressure".
Pancake_Fucker
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I have the same fear of being old as he does, but not to the extreme that I'd ever consider or even think of suicide. I think suicide is the most selfish thing you can do, and, having gone through it with a childhood friend, I know that it doesn't matter what you write in your note, everyone is still angry that you did it.
I don't know what to think of this.
On one hand he could be the one of the most courageous individuals who have ever lived because he realized he had completed everything intended for him in life and decided it was time to go to heaven rather than waste years of doing nothing other than waiting for death to take him. It was also a chance for him to let other people, who wouldn't have been able to do so prior, fullfill their life course by donating his organs.
On the other hand he could be a complete psychopath killer because the research, preparation, and task of his suicide is comparable to premeditated murder, which is often considered one the most serious forms of homicide.
On one hand he could be the one of the most courageous individuals who have ever lived because he realized he had completed everything intended for him in life and decided it was time to go to heaven rather than waste years of doing nothing other than waiting for death to take him. It was also a chance for him to let other people, who wouldn't have been able to do so prior, fullfill their life course by donating his organs.
On the other hand he could be a complete psychopath killer because the research, preparation, and task of his suicide is comparable to premeditated murder, which is often considered one the most serious forms of homicide.
987321654hgfd
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Why? If somebody wants to kill themselves it's their choice. I'm not condoning suicide but if someone genuinely doesn't feel like living anymore they should be able to end theirs.
JAHBRADOR
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Well most of the time they are just pussies that over react because thats what the think is the most over dramatic things to do.
Its like getting a tribal tattoo. You may feel like its a good decision before and during but as soon as its just about to be done, "this is stupid as fuck'
Its like getting a tribal tattoo. You may feel like its a good decision before and during but as soon as its just about to be done, "this is stupid as fuck'
theBearJew
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Me too.
But holy hell so far this concept is insane. Makes me think more about peoples facebooks that remain active after they die and how with the internet it is now possible to "exist" forever.
But holy hell so far this concept is insane. Makes me think more about peoples facebooks that remain active after they die and how with the internet it is now possible to "exist" forever.
lineskier10
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i dunno if this was meant to be intentionally funny but goddamn its hilarious
a_pla5tic_bag
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he can say it all he wants, something was wrong with him you can clearly see it in his writing. He even talked about people naturally not wanting to die at one of the points. something was wrong with him for sure.
a_pla5tic_bag
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oh and i forgot, they definitely need a gravestone with the url engraved on it.
bfulmer
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It just seems so selfish. Not for the usual reasons (leaving friends & family behind etc.), but because there are so many people with such worse lives who make something of themselves. Like honestly, who is he to say that life isn't worth living? I'd like to hear anyone who is seriously contemplating suicide talk to a woman living in the Sudan about their problems.
Also, I think people should have the right. People have the right to do a lot of really stupid, selfish, and destructive things. I just think it's disgusting that this guy seems to condone it as a viable alternative to living and genuinely trying to improve your life.
Also, I think people should have the right. People have the right to do a lot of really stupid, selfish, and destructive things. I just think it's disgusting that this guy seems to condone it as a viable alternative to living and genuinely trying to improve your life.
ILLinoisance
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I agree 100%. Just reading his "holier than thou" bullshit makes me certain that this guy was a cockbag.
louie.mirags
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Pain and problems are perspective. Who are you to say somebody is not suffering?
987321654hgfd
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Exactly. If someone believes in their own mind that they've had enough they should be able to wash their mouth out with buckshot.
louie.mirags
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I'm not saying they are. I'm saying it is up to the individual.
bfulmer
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I know you all like to play devil's advocate when it comes to serious topics like this, but you should tread more lightly.
To those asking "who I think I am" telling people not to kill themselves... I guarantee you have never had to deal with something like this or see it first hand, because you clearly do not understand the gravity of the situation.
What makes me so angry about this guy's blog is that it takes away that gravity and opens up conversations like these, in which a bunch of kids are chatting lightly and casually about something so serious. Regardless of whether or not you condone it, this kid of shit makes it appear as more acceptable by opening these conversations up in the first place.
Life is an incredible gift and every single day of it should be held on to. It's all a part of the human experience, and regardless of whether or not you consider yours to be good or bad, there is always hope. To think otherwise is selfish and ignorant.
To those asking "who I think I am" telling people not to kill themselves... I guarantee you have never had to deal with something like this or see it first hand, because you clearly do not understand the gravity of the situation.
What makes me so angry about this guy's blog is that it takes away that gravity and opens up conversations like these, in which a bunch of kids are chatting lightly and casually about something so serious. Regardless of whether or not you condone it, this kid of shit makes it appear as more acceptable by opening these conversations up in the first place.
Life is an incredible gift and every single day of it should be held on to. It's all a part of the human experience, and regardless of whether or not you consider yours to be good or bad, there is always hope. To think otherwise is selfish and ignorant.
ILLinoisance
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To each their own. Good thing he had communion before he did it and I hope he has fun in his non-existent "heaven".
bfulmer
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Have someone who is paralyzed from the waist down tell you why he wakes up every morning.Watch someone in your family who used to be suicidal give birth to your nephew.
Talk a close friend out of considering suicide, and then watch their life turn around.
Then fucking tell me I don't have the right to say what I'm saying.
Talk a close friend out of considering suicide, and then watch their life turn around.
Then fucking tell me I don't have the right to say what I'm saying.
B.Aussie
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I personally was paralysed from the waist down for a while, had a good friend commit suicide, have talked other friends out of suicide, spent 6 months in a rehab ward interacting with TBI, stroke and quadriplegics learning to walk again including a guy who intended to commit suicide by jumping off a building and lived.
After all of that I still believe that suicide is sometimes the answer. Some people are going through unimaginable hardships that they don't deserve and their only respite would be death.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I don't see how it's any more selfish for someone to have to live a horrible horrible life purely because there are some people that would be upset if they die. When everyone dies at some point they're just having some control over it.
And your Sudanese woman analogy isn't relevant. You can't compare living in a third world country to living in a first world country. Everyones own individual circumstances are relevant to themselves and therefore so are their individual struggles.
After all of that I still believe that suicide is sometimes the answer. Some people are going through unimaginable hardships that they don't deserve and their only respite would be death.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I don't see how it's any more selfish for someone to have to live a horrible horrible life purely because there are some people that would be upset if they die. When everyone dies at some point they're just having some control over it.
And your Sudanese woman analogy isn't relevant. You can't compare living in a third world country to living in a first world country. Everyones own individual circumstances are relevant to themselves and therefore so are their individual struggles.
rockersteez
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Who the fuck are you to say that it's not? You want to change something? Be a part of somebodies life, do what you can to make people feel better. Judging people that killed themselves does nothing to curb the problem that you have with the situation.
Then you get into "somebody is living in worse conditions than you" argument. That honestly has nothing to do with it many times. Suicide tendencies can affect anyone regardless of race, gender, financial situation. I fucking hate people saying "omg somebody in some country is living in some shitty situation so you have no right to commit suicide". You clearly don't understand the route of the problem.
"Also, I think people should have the right. "
You say that while at the same time completely demonizing it. I understand that agreeing with the legality and morality is a different thing, but you clearly have a massive problem with it.
I'm not one to ever suggest that suicide is the answer, I've had multiple friends that have ended life in that spot. At the same time, you the fuck am I to tell somebody who is suffering that they can't end it because it will hurt me and other people. If anything I view that as selfish on the part of the living. As a knee jerk reaction to the news it's completely normal, but as a long term view point it doesn't make sense to me. You want somebody to live in constant pain so you won't feel pain? Who's selfish there?
Some mental illness you can't run away from, some things in life you can't run away from. Who the fuck are you to say you understand where somebody is coming from and tell them they are a terrible person for choosing to end their life?
What the fuck do you know about their situation? Seriously. Who the fuck are you to judge somebody else...
So awesome, who haven't felt suicidal in our life, that's great. Maybe you did just as a sheer glimpse of the picture and felt like you made some giant leap overcoming something that you never actually struggled with. Hell maybe you actually struggled with it and found some reason for living which is awesome. I value life but at the same time I value the people themselves and their decision. As hard as it is to deal with sometimes I can relate in some ways to the pain that some of them are going through. I might not understand or have lived through the specifics but I've been in rough patches.
I just feel it's selfish and arrogant if not just naive to suggest that you know better than everyone else. That you have the answers so perfectly figured out you can give somebody life advice on that scale.
I'll say it again, what the fuck do you know about somebody else in that spot? Why do you feel you have the right to judge? Do you feel you're somehow a better person for being above it? Do you actually think these people simply just chose this route without any other influences?
I just hate when people feel as if they hold the right to judge another soul. You have yourself to take care of. By all means try and spread happiness and help those around you but for fucks sake please don't judge.
The world needs kindness as much as ever, but the world could do without your judgement.
You have a problem with somebody killing themselves find a way to deal with it, spread some positivity however you can, but please don't fucking judge people as if you're better than them. You're not.
/ Rant from somebody who's been there. Mine come in waves. My life is basically an alternative strategy. I try and do as much of the things that make me happy to keep a reason to live. Honestly that has less to do with me and more to do with others. Not others in terms of the people around me. I would feel bad to an extent about leaving them with that but I would hope they'd understand. I mean others in terms of the people I feel I can help. My goal in life has become spreading a little bit of joy into other peoples world, whether little things or big things. Just caring about other people and trying to help them succeed. I felt that was a reason to live. That said I will never judge those that can't find a reason to live. I don't know their mental state or what they've been though. I'm always down to help if I can, but something like that can be something I won't understand. It's easy to look at someones life and say that they had so much going for them and shouldn't have done it. You have no idea what was actually going on behind the scenes in their head. Sometimes things are so fucked up to the point where living is a massive struggle. If you haven't experienced that intense fucked up sense of reality that's awesome, I'm happy, but please don't judge people who battle it everyday.
Not even trying to be a dick, just being honest. I'm not going to proofread anyone of that so take it as it is. I hope I didn't come across as angry as you as I wasn't. I was more frustrated with the situation of people not understanding yet being quick to judge.
I hope all is well for you NS, and if not the best of luck getting through it. I honestly shouldn't even post this, considering some of the people lurking read to pounce but I'm going to. Suicide is an intense thing, but I just think people need to try to be understanding more than trying to judge others. People can be very complicated, don't assume you know everything about someone. Just try to do the best you can, and help some other people out along the way.
Best of luck NS. I know a lot of you are young, and I hope you never have to struggle with that shit but if you do best of luck in whatever happens. If a friend ever opens up to you about those kind of thoughts be a friend, not a judge. Try to understand where their coming from, give them the advice that you feel, and do your best to help them through it. If you're concerned don't be afraid to ask for help. Just please don't think you know everything that's going on in their head and you're somehow superior because you aren't dealing with the same.
Good luck and good night. Sorry for the giant page of words.
Then you get into "somebody is living in worse conditions than you" argument. That honestly has nothing to do with it many times. Suicide tendencies can affect anyone regardless of race, gender, financial situation. I fucking hate people saying "omg somebody in some country is living in some shitty situation so you have no right to commit suicide". You clearly don't understand the route of the problem.
"Also, I think people should have the right. "
You say that while at the same time completely demonizing it. I understand that agreeing with the legality and morality is a different thing, but you clearly have a massive problem with it.
I'm not one to ever suggest that suicide is the answer, I've had multiple friends that have ended life in that spot. At the same time, you the fuck am I to tell somebody who is suffering that they can't end it because it will hurt me and other people. If anything I view that as selfish on the part of the living. As a knee jerk reaction to the news it's completely normal, but as a long term view point it doesn't make sense to me. You want somebody to live in constant pain so you won't feel pain? Who's selfish there?
Some mental illness you can't run away from, some things in life you can't run away from. Who the fuck are you to say you understand where somebody is coming from and tell them they are a terrible person for choosing to end their life?
What the fuck do you know about their situation? Seriously. Who the fuck are you to judge somebody else...
So awesome, who haven't felt suicidal in our life, that's great. Maybe you did just as a sheer glimpse of the picture and felt like you made some giant leap overcoming something that you never actually struggled with. Hell maybe you actually struggled with it and found some reason for living which is awesome. I value life but at the same time I value the people themselves and their decision. As hard as it is to deal with sometimes I can relate in some ways to the pain that some of them are going through. I might not understand or have lived through the specifics but I've been in rough patches.
I just feel it's selfish and arrogant if not just naive to suggest that you know better than everyone else. That you have the answers so perfectly figured out you can give somebody life advice on that scale.
I'll say it again, what the fuck do you know about somebody else in that spot? Why do you feel you have the right to judge? Do you feel you're somehow a better person for being above it? Do you actually think these people simply just chose this route without any other influences?
I just hate when people feel as if they hold the right to judge another soul. You have yourself to take care of. By all means try and spread happiness and help those around you but for fucks sake please don't judge.
The world needs kindness as much as ever, but the world could do without your judgement.
You have a problem with somebody killing themselves find a way to deal with it, spread some positivity however you can, but please don't fucking judge people as if you're better than them. You're not.
/ Rant from somebody who's been there. Mine come in waves. My life is basically an alternative strategy. I try and do as much of the things that make me happy to keep a reason to live. Honestly that has less to do with me and more to do with others. Not others in terms of the people around me. I would feel bad to an extent about leaving them with that but I would hope they'd understand. I mean others in terms of the people I feel I can help. My goal in life has become spreading a little bit of joy into other peoples world, whether little things or big things. Just caring about other people and trying to help them succeed. I felt that was a reason to live. That said I will never judge those that can't find a reason to live. I don't know their mental state or what they've been though. I'm always down to help if I can, but something like that can be something I won't understand. It's easy to look at someones life and say that they had so much going for them and shouldn't have done it. You have no idea what was actually going on behind the scenes in their head. Sometimes things are so fucked up to the point where living is a massive struggle. If you haven't experienced that intense fucked up sense of reality that's awesome, I'm happy, but please don't judge people who battle it everyday.
Not even trying to be a dick, just being honest. I'm not going to proofread anyone of that so take it as it is. I hope I didn't come across as angry as you as I wasn't. I was more frustrated with the situation of people not understanding yet being quick to judge.
I hope all is well for you NS, and if not the best of luck getting through it. I honestly shouldn't even post this, considering some of the people lurking read to pounce but I'm going to. Suicide is an intense thing, but I just think people need to try to be understanding more than trying to judge others. People can be very complicated, don't assume you know everything about someone. Just try to do the best you can, and help some other people out along the way.
Best of luck NS. I know a lot of you are young, and I hope you never have to struggle with that shit but if you do best of luck in whatever happens. If a friend ever opens up to you about those kind of thoughts be a friend, not a judge. Try to understand where their coming from, give them the advice that you feel, and do your best to help them through it. If you're concerned don't be afraid to ask for help. Just please don't think you know everything that's going on in their head and you're somehow superior because you aren't dealing with the same.
Good luck and good night. Sorry for the giant page of words.
rockersteez
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QFE
I wish I could have stayed more concise on my reply.
I wish I could have stayed more concise on my reply.
I never said you don't have the right to say what you're saying or believe what you believe, I said you have no more right than anyone else to believe whatever it is that you believe.
I'm glad you have had those positive experiences and have witnessed, and believe strongly in, the life-affirming side of things, but that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't see it that way by default has an invalid opinion because it doesn't agree with your own. Other people have seen people they are close through go through bad things and come out of it better and happier on the other side. You aren't a special flower. It's not up to you or anyone else to make the ultimate decision on whether or not life is worth living. Get over yourself.
I'm glad you have had those positive experiences and have witnessed, and believe strongly in, the life-affirming side of things, but that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't see it that way by default has an invalid opinion because it doesn't agree with your own. Other people have seen people they are close through go through bad things and come out of it better and happier on the other side. You aren't a special flower. It's not up to you or anyone else to make the ultimate decision on whether or not life is worth living. Get over yourself.