U.N. Observers dead.

hendrik.

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If you haven't heard, four UN observers were killed today in lebanon when an israeli airstrike hit their observation post. Kofi Annan came out and said this was a deliberate attack, and im not sure if Israel has commented yet.

If Kofi is right, and this is deliberate, what the fuck are the Israelis doing that they dont want us to see? isnt this a bit fishy to anyone?
 
that is a good point...but you have to know the US goverment was the ones that started this whole thing and they arent to smart so i dont thinkt that they can put 2 and 2 together
 
The us didint start this, Israel has a huge influence on the US so it doesnt make since they WE would start it. we are definatly supporting it but we didint start it
 
Technically no, If you're going back that far. If you're going back to the 1940's the US had nothing to do with Israel. England owned the land and gave it to Israel for a proclaimed state in which an Exodus was sent of refugees from the Holocaust which is now the population of Israel. This war is not linked to that directly though.
 
Kori can go suck a black penis. why would isreal deleberatly bomb them becaus that would put he UN against isreal even more than they already are.. isreal wouldnt want that.
 
I dunno if it means too much. Kofi Annan has a history of interpreting

collateral damage as direct attacks against the UN. And historically,

UN officials seem to enjoy setting up observation posts in the middle of

crossfire.
 
well, the idea of the UN is to mediate conflicts, so wouldnt the logical place to do so from be in the middle of it?

but yeah, i see what you mean, but come on, does the big U.N. sign not give away who they are?
 
Nah man, it's cool you even said something though. At least it wasn't totally ignorant like 99% of posts to come in this thread.
 
maybe I'm a littel biased here as I have a friend in the isreali army... but I don't think they're wrong at all. They've always been a crazy military and not afraid to fuck up countries that fuck with them... I honestly think there is a lot of anti-sematism going on behind the scenes that has people hating on them.
 
yes, there is, and there always will be, its just a fact of life. However, i disagree with the fact that just because a terrorist group kidnaps two soldiers, a country is allowed to attack another one. I think its just a huge overreaction to attack the closest country that happens to harbor hezbollah. The damage Israel has done in 14 days will probably take 14 years to repair.
 
the entire middle east is sketchy, no one can be trusted including israel, however in this conflict i would side with israel because the other option is hezbollah.

i highly doubt that the attack was intentional, but if it was that would be pretty sketchy. but then again it is 4 less members of the U.N. which is the most useless peacekeeping/world alliance organization ever, and does no one any good other than waste money and bitch.
 
No. case by case example -

afghanistan - taliban ruling the country, bad conditions, they are directly funding al quaeda and basically under control of a religiously extreme gov't which trains terrorists

iraq - psycho ruler who kills his own people, and supposedly has WMDs

neither of these harbored terrorists in any way shape or form remotely like lebanon IMO, so i disagree entirely. and even then, the war on terror is the US's business, not Israels.
 
fuck that shit. have you ever heard of proportionality? or civilian immunity? they fall under waging a just war. israel has gone on a disproportinate, full-fledged bombing campaign, killing hundreds of civilians. never mind that most of the international community - except for the US (go figure, all you NS foreign policy experts) - have condemned the Israelis for the scale of their response. if anything, this conflict only compounds the fact that the Middle East will never see peace and that Condoleeza Rice is the only black woman who ever voted for George Bush.
 
Scratch is going to fucking flame me but i pretty much agree with everything said here and im posting this in response to what melvs said. I didint write this

What goes around comes around. Israel can't destroy the entire Middle East and they can last in a war of attrition forever. The writing is on the wall Israel is doomed. Without heavy US support Israel would fall flat on its face. They cannot maintain control of the US forever, their largest lobbying group AIPAC has been caught spying on the US and that case involves two PNAC authors. The judge can keep moving back the trial date but not forever. The world is going to know who rents our congress and who was spying on the US, AGAIN.

Israel has bitten off more than it can chew. The race card and the religion acard are not going to save them this time. No one in the world likes dead children and this time without the controlled embedded media, and Israel's Zionist Media allies in the Us, the pictures and truth are leaking out.

Israel does not have the numbers and despite right of return and all their desperate incentives to get people wait excuse me, their people to move there, no one wants to live in a fascist cesspool with unpredictable violence which results as a backlash to Israels illegal aggressions, namely the military occupation of Palestine, exposed false flag operations, and attacking every one of her neighbors in under 50 years. Israeli has alienated itself from yet another large group of people, another generation of Lebanese will grow up with nothing but jutifiable dusgust for Israel. Israels latest attempts to follow their Clean Break strategy and actually try and fight one of their own battles, albeit safety from the air and their gun boats, has popped the bubble around Israeli military strength.

Never one to fail at shooting kids with rocks and sticks, or bombing houses of civilians, Israel cannot fight people who have even the slightest means to fight back. When one takes away the high number of civilian deaths from Israels 230 some murders in Lebanon only about 30 people were actually soldiers and Israel has lost 24 of its own half of them military. So despite superior fire power all Israel is good at is what they have practiced for the last 37 years, and thats killing kids and then spending loads on the media to try and lie about it.

Israels bombings have been so spastic that they killed 8 Canadians. Thats what happened when a country ignores military targets and hits tourist areas and suburbs of major cities. Israel doesnt know what to do when they other side can kill them back without having to result to homemade weapons and rockets purchased for the IDFs own black market. They are losing again to Hezbollah both in this war and in public support. They can control the press in the occupied territories and the US press will promote whatever is profitable for the Military Industrial complex, but they can not control all of the media outlets in Lebanon particularly from Asia and Europe and the news is finally coming out. Regular people are seeing for the first time the pictures of dead children and the normal activities of the Isracist state.

Anyone who had to question it before can clearly now see the US was sent to war for Israel. We know PNAC was written in Israel and the same authors have or had high positions in the department of defense and Bush administration. We know AIPAC has been spying on the US. We know a cabal of Neocons made the OSP and its members lied us into war with Iraq. Its members also overlap with PNAC Authors. One OSP and PNAC author Lewis Libby is in trouble for blowing the cover of a clandestine CIA agent and consequently her entire front company which was in charge of tracking uranium. We know the ADL fabricated a story about Jews and Christians in Iran having to wear color-coded badges in Iran. (reminds me alot of the phony color coded terror alert system in the US). We know Israel is trying as hard as it can to put blame on Iran or Syria or both, accusing them of supplying Hezbollah with weaponry. We know it is Israel that wants a war with Iran and Syria and they want the US to do it.

We have seen all the Neocons on TV and radio pop up out of their mud and call for a larger war on behalf of Israel. But the trick has warn out and all that has happened is the Zionists have identified themselves and are getting a utterly disdainful reaction from the rest of America who is sick and tired of trading its blood for the fascist interest of so called the Jewish State which builds racially segregate colonies into a foreign country under the hand of military force.

Israel does not care about nor represent the Jews or thats religion. Israel is a US military cash cow, a medium to bloat the budget of the pentagon and use leverage over the oil rich state of the Middle East. Its run my money loving greedy profiteers and was set up by the Zionist owners of private central banks such as the Rothchilds. Its purpose is not a homeland for a people of a certain religious faith. That idea in and of itself is ridiculous anyway. You know every other religion can go anywhere and does not attach itself to bloodlines or a piece of land.

Israel attracts and fosters lunatics. It does not care one iota about Judaism. It hides behind religion and the guilt associated with WWII (despite the very principle founders of Israel financing the Nazis and cutting off immigration to other nations in order to force Jews to move to this new project) in order to dodge criticism for what can be described as an apartheid police state and warmongering liars. The purpose of Israel the plutocratic fear laden democracy is to expand and to spread democracy AKA central banking and control of the worlds money supply to the few state who do not already have it namely the Arab world.

But this time Israel made a no-no and tried to fight on its own with out the big daddy US protecting them, and Israel is failing. Every kid they kill and every strike of aggression they make is a blow against their self. Russia has already called a spade a spade at the last G8 meeting. The world is tired of Israels bullshit. Crying anti-Semite has worn out and people are seeing through their deception. Israel kills little kids and uses collective punishment on people who are reacting to an occupation which is against international law to begin with.

More over Israel has shown itself to be weak, regardless of all their toys, the military strength of the Zionist is marginal and their own people are protesting in Tel Aviv by the thousands. Nobody likes the Zionists including the Jews. It will be a great pleasure to watch Israels Zionists fall apart and the multitude of court cases in the US take down the Zionist Neocons in the USs government and restore some sanity to our world away from religious fanatics or at least those who hijack religion with hatred and use then as business fronts instead of being the false hope yet comforting fairytales they are supposed to be. Israels days are numbered, they either end the occupation and withdraw ALL the settlements and end their aggression or they are going to get annihilated in the future.

Ry Anti-neocons.com

to see this with sources and links go here ISrael bit off more than it can chew and its choking
 
The most intellegent thing said in the thread. Isreal has a right to "defend" themselves. But in my opinion, they do not have a right to cripple an entire country that only consists of roughly 10% of what harmed Isreal. Lebannon was one of the most developed and "westernized" countries in the middle east. What Isreal has done to Lebannon has reduced parts to the damn stone age and will effect the country for at least a decade. And much more damage has been done to non-hezbollah targets than hezbollah related targets.

And no body seems to get the point to not fuck with Islamic extremists. No matter what Isreal does to labannon, they will still be there. They're not afraid to live in caves for years, and wait for another opportunity to fuck shit up. These people don't win or lose wars. They just prolong them forever. Look at Iraq. No matter how many soldiers and forces we keep over there, guerilla attacks cannot be stopped. When someone is willing to give up their life for your... there is nothing you can do.

It's amazing how fast things like money and respect make progress in the middle east. People need to put the M-16s down and re think how this should be taken care of.

 
exactly, for every extremist killed, there are 10 ready to take his place.

as for the article, really interesting, and i agree with a lot of its points.
 
Israel is a country. They have to obey rules and laws.

Hezbollah are "terrorists" hence, they rule through terror of population through the rockets.

Israel is turning into a terrorist entity by bombinb lebanon into submission, and thats straight up fucked.
 
action, by destroying lebanon's infrastructure that will take decades to rebuild in exchange for two kidnappings?

yeah, that seems fair.
 
the united states shouldnt be harboring terrorists either, now should they? nor should spain, france, ireland, russia, the list goes on.
 
approx. 40,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq, and around 3000 in Afghanistan from what I can find, so I don't think the whole argument of the US not killing civilians in the war on terror as being a difference between the two wars is a very legitamite point. Ya, the US went about things a little bit more organized, but fuck, it's a nearly identical war.

I am honest when I say I believe the reason the US isn't doing shit is because we're waging a war very similar to that the Israelis are. Also, the Isrealis are fighting a terrorist organization, and any dead terrorist is a good terrorist in the eyes of the us government.

As for the whole killing masses of civilians, I know that there was at least 1 reporteron CNN that later admited his whole segment on showing civilians places that were bombed was led by Hezbolah 'press experts'. I wouldn't be surprised if the fucking media was playing a role in curving the actual truth, but who the fuck knows what is and isn't biased on TV these days?
 
i don't know how you use the word "harbor," but i don't think there's a proper way to use it that applies here. ok, so there are members of the kkk LIVING in the united states...because someone lives somewhere doesn't mean they are being harbored by the government there. otherwise we could say things like "there are murderers living in the UK, therefore the UK harbors murderers and supports murder" or "there are child molestors in Belgium, therfore the Belgians are ok with child molestation."

sorry, buddy...i don't think you can make a legit case that the US HARBORS terrorists.

nice to see anti-semitism is alive and well on newschoolers.com (sarcasm meter)
 
And bombing international municiples. Bombing KNOWN civilian buildings that are "believed" to be "harboring" Hezbollah guerillas.
 
Isreal is targeting buildings that their intelligents tells them might be holding hezbollah. Hezbollah is lobbing dumb missiles into populated areas in Isreal. Why do you overlook the fact that Hezbollah is attacking civilians
 
i didnt over look it, and to address the rest of your post

the result of Israeli airstrikes

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becuase hezbollah, as a terrorist organization, uses the tactic of terrorizing the populace of israel, which makes the people want ht egov't to do something, which hezbollah hopes is pull the fuck out. I'm not saying its ok, but its better than a fucking real country doing it.
 
Condemning civilian casualties by Israel does not equate to praising civilian casualties by Hezbollah. Think before you say shit.
 
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