Tyrolia Attack 13 /Marker Griffon 13 ID /Look Pivot 12

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Hey NS, I'm currently stuck between theTyrolia Attack 13 /Marker Griffon 13 ID /Look Pivot 12 bindings for my Line Tom Wallisch Pros.I'm 143lbs/65kg and most my time will be spent in the park and on groomers, riding switch, butters, rails kickers etc etc.....

I've done some research on all three bindings and just want some extra help in deciding. I currently have some Marker Griffons but haven't had any major issues with them, they have held up pretty well over 2 seasons. The only thing I would say is that I have popped out a few times doing some nose butters but it might be down to my boots being too worn.

The Look Pivots are notorious for being awesome bindings and know a few people that have them and are really happy with them but tend to be quite pricy.

Tyrolia Attack's I have also heard are really good, light weight, bombproof affordable and a great all rounder, so think I leaning towards these.

Any more info would be great.
 
as far as reliability of a 13 din binding all of those are good choices and basically it comes down to personal preference between brands. if you like the marker griffon and the way they've been working you could probably just keep using them.

Attack 13's are a great value and are probably the binding i'm most recommending in the shop this year. plus for some reason they always test perfect and are so frickin easy to get in and out of

FKS are fks. they're a tinkerers dream. and its definitly become a hobby to rebuild old fks using parts that would be otherwise be trash, just because the components are metal and haven't changed in design in the past like 40 years.

park riders generally love pivots because of the high elasticity they have before you release, meaning that compared to other bindings there is a greater likelihood of not popping out if you land somewhat off and can recover, versus a marker griffon which will eject you the second you hit that threshold of release. granted they're supposed to do that.
 
13836856:young_hawaii said:
as far as reliability of a 13 din binding all of those are good choices and basically it comes down to personal preference between brands. if you like the marker griffon and the way they've been working you could probably just keep using them.

Attack 13's are a great value and are probably the binding i'm most recommending in the shop this year. plus for some reason they always test perfect and are so frickin easy to get in and out of

FKS are fks. they're a tinkerers dream. and its definitly become a hobby to rebuild old fks using parts that would be otherwise be trash, just because the components are metal and haven't changed in design in the past like 40 years.

park riders generally love pivots because of the high elasticity they have before you release, meaning that compared to other bindings there is a greater likelihood of not popping out if you land somewhat off and can recover, versus a marker griffon which will eject you the second you hit that threshold of release. granted they're supposed to do that.
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I think I'm definitely leaning towards the Attacks, because of the price and I have heard they are really well built. I have read a lot about Griffons easily getting broken. At the end of the day I would prefer the bindings to pop off when needed to save my knees. In terms of lift height how do they compare to each other and how does it effect the riding? Is there really a huge difference between the Pivots and Attacks?

But I don't want to regret not buying the Pivots if it's going to give me more output.
 
I'm pretty much your height and size and I've been using the Attack 13/16 on all my review skis for the past 3 seasons, because a) they are relatively cheap to stock up on b) I find them by far the easiest binding to get along with day to day. I've never had a major issue with any of my 6-7 sets, but there are a couple of annoying facets:

1) The brake screws directly in to the ski, so changing them is a pain in the ass, but so far I've not had much issue with brakes so it hasn't really come up. They bend, I bend them back, all good.

2) The forward pressure is a tab system, which means you have to mount them just right to have perfect forward pressure available as an option. You'll always be in the tolerance scale, and I've generally ridden them slightly over pressure because when they are a little under, i've had a few releases I didn't want doing taps and butters. I don't see it as a big issue unless you're really OCD but just putting it out there.

That said I've never had a problem with the releases from the Attack and anyone who skis with me will tell you I spend most of my time buttering. The new Attack toe for 2017-18 is also a lot more chunky and solid than the older versions, I've been using them for about 6 months now and they feel like a good upgrade, despite a tad more weight and they are still lighter than the competition.

I definitely did have more weird releases with Griffons / Jesters and I hate the fact that they will tear you a new asshole if you land backseat the wrong way, which eventually, you will. The FKS is popular because, as mentioned, it has great elasticity but personally, I find them more annoying day to day than they are worth. Parts are hard to get, they are hell on earth to get in to in deep snow and generally just fiddly and annoying. On the high din versions, the all metal toe is great but on the 12-14 it's now absent and, I've seen as many, if not more, FKS/Pivot toes break as any other binding in the category. Lastly there's the STHs, which you didn't mention but were my go-to for years and I'm still a fan. But the somewhat tedious manual adjust toe wings and extra weight/cost mean I have come to prefer the Attack over time.

**This post was edited on Dec 26th 2017 at 7:57:35am
 
13837012:Twig said:
I'm pretty much your height and size and I've been using the Attack 13/16 on all my review skis for the past 3 seasons, because a) they are relatively cheap to stock up on b) I find them by far the easiest binding to get along with day to day. I've never had a major issue with any of my 6-7 sets, but there are a couple of annoying facets:

1) The brake screws directly in to the ski, so changing them is a pain in the ass, but so far I've not had much issue with brakes so it hasn't really come up. They bend, I bend them back, all good.

2) The forward pressure is a tab system, which means you have to mount them just right to have perfect forward pressure available as an option. You'll always be in the tolerance scale, and I've ridden both a tad high and a tad low without a problem, so it don't see it as a big issue unless you're really OCD but just putting it out there.

That said I've never had a problem with the releases from the Attack and anyone who skis with me will tell you I spend most of my time buttering. The new Attack toe for 2017-18 is also a lot more chunky and solid than the older versions, I've been using them for about 6 months now and they feel like a good upgrade, despite a tad more weight and they are still lighter than the competition.

I definitely did have more weird releases with Griffons / Jesters and I hate the fact that they will tear you a new asshole if you land backseat the wrong way, which eventually, you will. The FKS is popular because, as mentioned, it has great elasticity but personally, I find them more annoying day to day than they are worth. Parts are hard to get, they are hell on earth to get in to in deep snow and generally just fiddly and annoying. On the high din versions, the all metal toe is great but on the 12-14 it's now absent and, I've seen as many, if not more, FKS/Pivot toes break as any other binding in the category. Lastly there's the STHs, which you didn't mention but were my go-to for years and I'm still a fan. But the somewhat tedious manual adjust toe wings and extra weight/cost mean I have come to prefer the Attack over time.
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Good to know that they have tested well, I reckon the 13 will do me fine! Oh believe me, I have have back seated a few time..... OUCH

How does the stack heights differ from the bindings? Does it majorly affect your skiing technique?
 
i getting new bindings soon and i was looking at these 3 on my marker squires i broke the brake 3 times in 2 weeks what is the most durable binding?
 
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