Twin tip that carves hard

[animator]

Lookin for a 105-110 twin that can carve well (at least for its width). Wanna put a CAST or Shift on it for my travel/touring ski. Edgehold is the highest priority. Yes I’m aware a ski that wide probably won’t be as good as a 95mm wide ski so save it.

Heard good things about Moment Wildcat 108, Sego Condor 108, Volkl Revolt 104 even? Open to suggestions

**This thread was edited on Dec 11th 2020 at 8:17:13pm

 

[EPfanboy]

Might not be helpful at all but if you were to go down 5mm to 100mm waist section the Armada stranger could be a good option.

 

[animator]

Might not be helpful at all but if you were to go down 5mm to 100mm waist section the Armada stranger could be a good option.

Mount point is too far back, should’ve mentioned that

 

[EPfanboy]

Ohh my bad

Mount point is too far back, should’ve mentioned that

 

[CossackMalone]

For best edgehold nordica enforcer 110, 104 or Fischer ranger 102. All of those are amazing carvers for their width.

I have the wildcat 108 but haven’t skied it yet so can’t compare it to my enforcer 110s. I would expect it to be more poppy and playful but probably not as good at holding an edge.

 

[BenFrost]

K2 marksman hold an edge really well in most conditions

 

[OhJay]

2021 ARV 106. Heavier and stiffer than last year, and a longer effective edge for a pretty close true twin tip, I’d bet they carve well (again, for a close to true twin tip). Both reviews below seem to agree.
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Armada-ARV-106-Roofbox
https://skiprofiles.com/armada-arv-106-ski-review/

 

[powpatrol]

I can’t recall the width but the bc ferox is a super charger

 

[CatdickBojangles]

My Jeffrey’s carve extremely well and the touring lay up would make them light enough to tour.

 

[animator]

I can’t recall the width but the bc ferox is a super charger

110. Interesting as it’s their touring ski, I can’t imagine it being super good on edge?

 

[anders_a]

ooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?

sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag [tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] as we both love to charge on twins

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:14:18am

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

 

[animator]

ooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?

sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag [tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] as we both love to charge on twins

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:14:18am

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

Revolt 104 and MFree 108 are very promising it seems. Shoulda tagged you in this post!

 

[Greg_K]

As [tag=271284]@anders_a[/tag] mentioned, it’s a Fisher Ranger 102 “thread end” situation here! Lol

No ski has such a great blend of minimal tip/tail taper for great grip along with a sidecut radius that is fun at moderate speeds yet doesn’t mind going straight. It has perfectly sloped tips that floats great and easily passes over crud and a lower rise tail to make it easier to pivot or land switch but low enough to have a long effective edge when carving. It’s not as playful as softer flexing skis or as damp as heavier options but it’s performance for it’s weight is great. Only graphics have changed the last few years too so deals to be had on older versions.

The new Black Crows Justis should be another decent edge grip ski with long but flat rocker and minimal tip/tail taper. Not cheap though and bet I’d still prefer the Fisher 102 overall.

Candide 2.0 heavier and not as great float as the 2 above but the 3.0 would definitely be an option if you wanted greater float at the expense of edge grip. The 3.0 more tapered than the 2.0 so it would be in the Enforcer/Revolt 104/MFree 108 etc range. Great carvers for their width but just okay grip on firm snow.

 

[SoggyOatmeal420]

i feel like the arv 96 ti would be good, also the new candides with the metal in them

 

[DrZoidberg]

SFBs carve really hard and tight, but are quite soft. I'm very light and can make use of it but if you're heavy or the terrain is chopped up then they get a bit wiggly. No metal in the skis but they don't feel totally noodle mode edge to edge. I'd demo them first.

Icelantic Nomads also have a decently tight radius if you're into tight turns and last I rode them are for sure stiffer than SFBs.

 

[anders_a]

I know some ski it very close to center, I currently have tested -6.9ish (stock is -9.9) and its so fun, if I was to do it again I would go even further, this is possible since you get even a 191cm version, so you wont end up with a petite front ski, also quite solid underfoot and in front of bindings, shovels still dont give and superfun skiiing centerd as well

[tag=261217]@Lazylightning[/tag]

 

[animator]

I know some ski it very close to center, I currently have tested -6.9ish (stock is -9.9) and its so fun, if I was to do it again I would go even further, this is possible since you get even a 191cm version, so you wont end up with a petite front ski, also quite solid underfoot and in front of bindings, shovels still dont give and superfun skiiing centerd as well

[tag=261217]@Lazylightning[/tag]

I was thinking of getting a 184 and going 4 in front of center (so like -5ish?) what are your thoughts

 

[anders_a]

how tall & heavy are you? I actually have both a 184 mounted +2, and a 191 mounted +3 Im 6'3 and 230ish lbs, and they actually both let me drive the shovel, the 184 lets me do like an easy 50-55mph really carving, and you can flex the ski into different turn shapes.

As a general thought I would say +4 is not a problem and just do, I can measure the sidecut on bench quick if anyone is interested

The carbon tip shovels are kinda weird, because it will let you closer to 60mph without flapping. They look soooo thin and flimsy, but.. are awesome, they will also let you do nose butters with fairly good support and energy. imho more skis should be made like this, traditionally I've not been a huge fan of just throwing carbon on skis as it makes them kinda weird, but here they really really figured it out.

Moving binding forward does make it a bit squirly where its 100% flat like the last few meters to lift, of course tune is a thing, and height/weight is a thing, as it happens more on 184 than 191 for me. The tune is fairly aggresive, and tips can be a bit hooky when doing spinny stuff stock, but try the ski before detuniung anything.

I even got a pair for my GF for x-mas, so I currently house 3 x 102FR and I SO wanna get a pair of the new pink 191cm, put duke PTs' on them and go even more forward. like +4 or +5

[tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] got me on them last year, and I feel they are the most slept on ski in ages, ironicly it seems the new pink and more blue topsheets are makeing them popular and more people are discovering them, I think they won freerides.se review like 1-2? years now etc. Here in europe its very hard to get hold of the pink ones now, and stores carrying both will have the pink one at 50 euro more

I grabbed both my pairs for like 300 euros I think, so pre-pink topsheet and older years with less blue topsheets are an absolute steal.

I think against the revolt 104 the 102FR will be more chargy and higher speed limit, guessing by 5-10-15mph? but the revolt is what -1,5? -1.75 mounted and as light with less carbon so yeah. But they do have some of the same feel. I only have like 8? days of park on the revolt 104s though, looking forward to carve them on our local black run

I own a lot of skis, but when I was only allowed to take 1 I grabbed the 102FR, 191cm, that kinda says a lot.

 

[animator]

how tall & heavy are you? I actually have both a 184 mounted +2, and a 191 mounted +3 Im 6'3 and 230ish lbs, and they actually both let me drive the shovel, the 184 lets me do like an easy 50-55mph really carving, and you can flex the ski into different turn shapes.

As a general thought I would say +4 is not a problem and just do, I can measure the sidecut on bench quick if anyone is interested

The carbon tip shovels are kinda weird, because it will let you closer to 60mph without flapping. They look soooo thin and flimsy, but.. are awesome, they will also let you do nose butters with fairly good support and energy. imho more skis should be made like this, traditionally I've not been a huge fan of just throwing carbon on skis as it makes them kinda weird, but here they really really figured it out.

Moving binding forward does make it a bit squirly where its 100% flat like the last few meters to lift, of course tune is a thing, and height/weight is a thing, as it happens more on 184 than 191 for me. The tune is fairly aggresive, and tips can be a bit hooky when doing spinny stuff stock, but try the ski before detuniung anything.

I even got a pair for my GF for x-mas, so I currently house 3 x 102FR and I SO wanna get a pair of the new pink 191cm, put duke PTs' on them and go even more forward. like +4 or +5

[tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] got me on them last year, and I feel they are the most slept on ski in ages, ironicly it seems the new pink and more blue topsheets are makeing them popular and more people are discovering them, I think they won freerides.se review like 1-2? years now etc. Here in europe its very hard to get hold of the pink ones now, and stores carrying both will have the pink one at 50 euro more

I grabbed both my pairs for like 300 euros I think, so pre-pink topsheet and older years with less blue topsheets are an absolute steal.

I think against the revolt 104 the 102FR will be more chargy and higher speed limit, guessing by 5-10-15mph? but the revolt is what -1,5? -1.75 mounted and as light with less carbon so yeah. But they do have some of the same feel. I only have like 8? days of park on the revolt 104s though, looking forward to carve them on our local black run

I own a lot of skis, but when I was only allowed to take 1 I grabbed the 102FR, 191cm, that kinda says a lot.

I’m 5’11 190-200lbs so I won’t have as much leverage as you, I would think +5 on the 184 would be fine. Cheers for the advice!!

 

[animator]

how tall & heavy are you? I actually have both a 184 mounted +2, and a 191 mounted +3 Im 6'3 and 230ish lbs, and they actually both let me drive the shovel, the 184 lets me do like an easy 50-55mph really carving, and you can flex the ski into different turn shapes.

As a general thought I would say +4 is not a problem and just do, I can measure the sidecut on bench quick if anyone is interested

The carbon tip shovels are kinda weird, because it will let you closer to 60mph without flapping. They look soooo thin and flimsy, but.. are awesome, they will also let you do nose butters with fairly good support and energy. imho more skis should be made like this, traditionally I've not been a huge fan of just throwing carbon on skis as it makes them kinda weird, but here they really really figured it out.

Moving binding forward does make it a bit squirly where its 100% flat like the last few meters to lift, of course tune is a thing, and height/weight is a thing, as it happens more on 184 than 191 for me. The tune is fairly aggresive, and tips can be a bit hooky when doing spinny stuff stock, but try the ski before detuniung anything.

I even got a pair for my GF for x-mas, so I currently house 3 x 102FR and I SO wanna get a pair of the new pink 191cm, put duke PTs' on them and go even more forward. like +4 or +5

[tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] got me on them last year, and I feel they are the most slept on ski in ages, ironicly it seems the new pink and more blue topsheets are makeing them popular and more people are discovering them, I think they won freerides.se review like 1-2? years now etc. Here in europe its very hard to get hold of the pink ones now, and stores carrying both will have the pink one at 50 euro more

I grabbed both my pairs for like 300 euros I think, so pre-pink topsheet and older years with less blue topsheets are an absolute steal.

I think against the revolt 104 the 102FR will be more chargy and higher speed limit, guessing by 5-10-15mph? but the revolt is what -1,5? -1.75 mounted and as light with less carbon so yeah. But they do have some of the same feel. I only have like 8? days of park on the revolt 104s though, looking forward to carve them on our local black run

I own a lot of skis, but when I was only allowed to take 1 I grabbed the 102FR, 191cm, that kinda says a lot.

Also if you do have a second to measure the side cut at the line vs at +5 that would be awesome dude!

 

[animator]

Ik it’s not in my range like I asked but I’m getting a Ranger 102 in bright ass pink, thanks for all the suggestions boys

 

[anders_a]

The base is also pink! ironicly I asked my GF about it, she didnt want the pink... I want it still though

I had the 191 handy so grabbed it, didnt feel like walking down to get the 184, maybe another day, but some quick numbers

suggested mark at 104,9cm from tip measures a width of 103,54 mm

+2 103,60 mm

+3 103,70 mm

+4 103,73 mm

+5 103,78 mm

the 191 measures out to pretty much exactly 190cm, suggested mount is at 104,9cm from tip I have my bootcenter at101,9cm

This means "true center" for length would be 95cm from tip, at 95cm from tip its 104,60 mm wide

this also means doing +3+4+5 doesnt really matter much for sidecut radius.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Ik it’s not in my range like I asked but I’m getting a Ranger 102 in bright ass pink, thanks for all the suggestions boys

This ski is pretty compelling, I've really not heard a bad word about it.

 

[Greg_K]

The 184cm is 102.4mm wide at recommend and 183.8cm long IIRC. Should be similar to the 191cm as far as being mount friendly.

The only issue with +5cm on the 184cm would be sacrificing tip float with weight close to 200lbs if you drive the tips at all. If you were on the 191cm, you’d still have lots of tip in powder at +5cm but on the 184cm I’d maybe go back a cm or so from that. At plus 3-4cm it would still be very playful and balanced in the air and might be a bit less fussy on your stance in powder.

Like many new skis from the factory it seems, my Fishers 102 bases weren’t flat and the edge angles were all over the place. Tuned the edges and made them way better and got them stone ground flat over the summer and haven’t tried them yet. Should be more playful and more stable than before even with sharp edges tip to tail. If you feel the need to detune a modern ski(besides a park ski used on rails of course) there are usually base flatness or edge bevel issues that would be better solved with a grind and tune.

 

[animator]

The 184cm is 102.4mm wide at recommend and 183.8cm long IIRC. Should be similar to the 191cm as far as being mount friendly.

The only issue with +5cm on the 184cm would be sacrificing tip float with weight close to 200lbs if you drive the tips at all. If you were on the 191cm, you’d still have lots of tip in powder at +5cm but on the 184cm I’d maybe go back a cm or so from that. At plus 3-4cm it would still be very playful and balanced in the air and might be a bit less fussy on your stance in powder.

Like many new skis from the factory it seems, my Fishers 102 bases weren’t flat and the edge angles were all over the place. Tuned the edges and made them way better and got them stone ground flat over the summer and haven’t tried them yet. Should be more playful and more stable than before even with sharp edges tip to tail. If you feel the need to detune a modern ski(besides a park ski used on rails of course) there are usually base flatness or edge bevel issues that would be better solved with a grind and tune.

I might do +3! I’ll have our other tech make sure I’m good on the edges, that’s great advice man! I just do mounts lmao

 

[anders_a]

I might do +3! I’ll have our other tech make sure I’m good on the edges, that’s great advice man! I just do mounts lmao

you can do one +5 and one +3, its all the rage with mounters theese days, ref the threads

 

[MPoub]

jsks hotshot?

One came by the shop I work at:

Super heavy (2300g a ski, pretty tough to tour) but superrrrrr soft when I flexed the ski. I think they charge hard regardless of the stiffness but something to keep in mind. O

 

[animator]

One came by the shop I work at:

Super heavy (2300g a ski, pretty tough to tour) but superrrrrr soft when I flexed the ski. I think they charge hard regardless of the stiffness but something to keep in mind. O

Yeah not real interested in any of their stuff tbh, good skis but not my taste

 

[Chunderface]

Damn the Ranger 102 retails for $800. That's a lot.

 

[animator]

Damn the Ranger 102 retails for $800. That's a lot.

I’m industry so I’m lucky enough to get a discount on it

 

[Greg_K]

Ranger 102 FR has been the same ski for 3 years with just top sheet changes. Got mine here last spring for around the same $419 price. Have 177cm size still left.
https://www.utahskigear.com/products/fischer-ranger-102-fr-skis-2018-19-170-177-184-new

 

[BlazersTimbers]

Have you been on the 191 Enforcer 104 Free? Trying to decide between that and the Ranger 102 FR for the PNW.

ooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?

sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag [tag=249646]@Greg_K[/tag] as we both love to charge on twins

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:14:18am

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

 

[anders_a]

Have you been on the 191 Enforcer 104 Free? Trying to decide between that and the Ranger 102 FR for the PNW.

the enforcers DO NOT SCALE WELL! meaning longer length enforcers, most of the time are less ski than the 185/186.

I've owned pretty much all of the enforcers, some at multiple lengths.

that said the 104 free is a very good ski! its just way less chargy than the 102 FR, and a much worse carver.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

the enforcers DO NOT SCALE WELL! meaning longer length enforcers, most of the time are less ski than the 185/186.

I've owned pretty much all of the enforcers, some at multiple lengths.

that said the 104 free is a very good ski! its just way less chargy than the 102 FR, and a much worse carver.

Thanks man… might try to score a deal on some 191 Ranger 102 FRs. I’ve ridden the 191 Enforcer 104s and found them to be super fun EXCEPT they got a little flappy/hooky at high speeds. Do you lose quite a bit of slower speed fun/maneuverability with the Ranger’s? The Enforcer’s seem like they’d be perfect for days on the hill with my wife, but I’d kinda wish they’d be a little more chargy for laps with the boys.

 

[Chunderface]

the enforcers DO NOT SCALE WELL! meaning longer length enforcers, most of the time are less ski than the 185/186.

Why is this?

 

[BlazersTimbers]

Why is this?

[tag=271284]@anders_a[/tag] I have the same question. I've only ridden the Enforcer 104's in a size 191 thinking they'd be more chargy than the 186. I'm 6'4" 200lbs and I typically like skis in the 190ish range. I could push them hard, but the shovels definitely get pretty flappy at high speeds and there were a couple times they got a little hooky and spooky on me. I yard saled on these going pretty fast in some chop, which I hadn't done in years lol. All in all, one of the more fun skis I've been on, but it left me wishing it was a bit more chargy. It's definitely not a ski that I'd feel comfortable straight-lining. They were so fun though, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy a pair and just live with the fact that I can't go balls to the walls... or if I should see if there's something else out there that shares most of the qualities that make it such a fun ski with a little more charging capabilities. It's sounding like the 191 Ranger 102 FR miiiiiight be that(?).

 

[Chunderface]

[tag=271284]@anders_a[/tag] I have the same question. I've only ridden the Enforcer 104's in a size 191 thinking they'd be more chargy than the 186. I'm 6'4" 200lbs and I typically like skis in the 190ish range. I could push them hard, but the shovels definitely get pretty flappy at high speeds and there were a couple times they got a little hooky and spooky on me. I yard saled on these going pretty fast in some chop, which I hadn't done in years lol. All in all, one of the more fun skis I've been on, but it left me wishing it was a bit more chargy. It's definitely not a ski that I'd feel comfortable straight-lining. They were so fun though, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy a pair and just live with the fact that I can't go balls to the walls... or if I should see if there's something else out there that shares most of the qualities that make it such a fun ski with a little more charging capabilities. It's sounding like the 191 Ranger 102 FR miiiiiight be that(?).

How were the edges tuned? Enforcers apparently have a reputation for being too sharp from the factory and feeling hooky and dangerous out of the box, and needing a detune at the tips/tails. When I recently felt the edges of some 191 104 in the store, they felt like they were so sharp they'd cut paper.

I recently demo'd the 104 in 186 (I think that's the next size down) and holy shit I felt like there was nothing I could not do on those skis. I was hitting lines on them clearly faster or more confidently than I do on my own skis. I am 6'4" 215lbs., very strong skier, and always ride skis 190+.

But now I am wondering if I should get the 186 or the 191. I'm still leaning toward the 191.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

How were the edges tuned? Enforcers apparently have a reputation for being too sharp from the factory and feeling hooky and dangerous out of the box, and needing a detune at the tips/tails. When I recently felt the edges of some 191 104 in the store, they felt like they were so sharp they'd cut paper.

I recently demo'd the 104 in 186 (I think that's the next size down) and holy shit I felt like there was nothing I could not do on those skis. I was hitting lines on them clearly faster or more confidently than I do on my own skis. I am 6'4" 215lbs., very strong skier, and always ride skis 190+.

But now I am wondering if I should get the 186 or the 191. I'm still leaning toward the 191.

They weren't detuned at all, so that could have definitely contributed to the hooky feeling I was getting. If I buy a pair, that's the first thing I'll do. The shovels definitely flap a little at speed, but now that I'm thinking about it it's definitely that hooky feeling that had me spooked going mach10... so a detune may have solved the charging issue for me. As far as sizing, I wouldn't hesitate getting a 191 if I buy a pair. There were literally zero instances that I wished I was on a shorter pair of sticks. I felt the 191s were surprisingly maneuverable and easy to pivot. They were mounted on the line and I thought it felt super balanced, but I'm also a directional skier. I find it hard to believe the 186 charges harder than the 191. Not saying [tag=271284]@anders_a[/tag] is lying at all! I've just never personally tried different sized skis where I preferred the shorter size for charging.

 

[anders_a]

enforcers, and why they dont scale well, they just add length to the longest skis in their lineup, they dont add enough material to "back it up" meaning its got the same underfood with, not more material, not higher sidewalls etc. this makes the shorter length enforcers stiff, and longer... flappy and less torsional stiff as well, its just not ideal. the longest length you should buy is 185/186.

imagine a 2x4 plank, or 1x4", balance it on your shoulder at longer and shorter lenghts, and exactly the same thing happens with skis, without construction change, the larger models just dont work out.

now lets jump to the 102 FR, in 191 vs 184, its 5-6mm wider underfoot! its actually a 106.5mm.. or was it 107.5mm underfoot where the 184 is 101,5 or something similar, so it scales! the 191 is more ski than the 184, more float than 184.

now with that said, the 184 102 is still more chargy than the 104 free in 185/186. at 6'3/242 lbs I can still carve hard/fest on +2 mounted 102fr, and +3 mounted 191 102 fr. they are happy up to 50-55mph easy on firm conditions.

104 free is easier to ski slow in tight trees, but the speed limit where its happy is 40-45? max. and in general a very easy going ski.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

enforcers, and why they dont scale well, they just add length to the longest skis in their lineup, they dont add enough material to "back it up" meaning its got the same underfood with, not more material, not higher sidewalls etc. this makes the shorter length enforcers stiff, and longer... flappy and less torsional stiff as well, its just not ideal. the longest length you should buy is 185/186.

imagine a 2x4 plank, or 1x4", balance it on your shoulder at longer and shorter lenghts, and exactly the same thing happens with skis, without construction change, the larger models just dont work out.

now lets jump to the 102 FR, in 191 vs 184, its 5-6mm wider underfoot! its actually a 106.5mm.. or was it 107.5mm underfoot where the 184 is 101,5 or something similar, so it scales! the 191 is more ski than the 184, more float than 184.

now with that said, the 184 102 is still more chargy than the 104 free in 185/186. at 6'3/242 lbs I can still carve hard/fest on +2 mounted 102fr, and +3 mounted 191 102 fr. they are happy up to 50-55mph easy on firm conditions.

104 free is easier to ski slow in tight trees, but the speed limit where its happy is 40-45? max. and in general a very easy going ski.

Thanks for clarifying! Before I pull the trigger on some 191 Ranger 102 FR’s, are there any other skis you recommend with a similar feel to the Enforcer 104’s?

 

[Raejnies]

They carve well for a center mounted twhin tip at that width, as long as you keep the edges sharp.

2021 ARV 106. Heavier and stiffer than last year, and a longer effective edge for a pretty close true twin tip, I’d bet they carve well (again, for a close to true twin tip). Both reviews below seem to agree.
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Armada-ARV-106-Roofbox
https://skiprofiles.com/armada-arv-106-ski-review/

 

[anders_a]

Thanks for clarifying! Before I pull the trigger on some 191 Ranger 102 FR’s, are there any other skis you recommend with a similar feel to the Enforcer 104’s?

you have to describe what of the E104 you want/like from the E104.

184 vs 191 102 Fr is float as major difference

 

[BlazersTimbers]

you have to describe what of the E104 you want/like from the E104.

184 vs 191 102 Fr is float as major difference

I thought the 191s were super fun to carve on and get on edge. I loved that they there weren’t punishing in basically any situation I got them in. When things get gnarly or the bumps get big, they’re super easy to flick sideways and maneuver/pivot, especially considering their weight. Also love the damp ride and suspension in rough snow. Overall I was just having a blast with their overall playful versatility… just wish they could charge a little harder at 55+mph.

**This post was edited on Mar 15th 2022 at 3:17:42pm

 

[anders_a]

yeah... nooo...

the 102 FR is more chargy, more carvy, moar better and you can move mount up.

enforcers are just super friendly & very nice in general.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

Thought I should update for anyone interested. I just received my new pair of 2022 Ranger 102s, size 191. Threw them on the scale and they ended up being ~2040 grams per ski. Way less than the advertised weight. Not sure what they changed with the construction from 2019 to 2022 but I’m thinking about returning them. Bummer.

 

[Chunderface]

Damn that sucks bro. Are you thinking about the 104 Free's instead, or back to the drawing board?

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Thought I should update for anyone interested. I just received my new pair of 2022 Ranger 102s, size 191. Threw them on the scale and they ended up being ~2040 grams per ski. Way less than the advertised weight. Not sure what they changed with the construction from 2019 to 2022 but I’m thinking about returning them. Bummer.

That's exactly what soothski.com measured. It makes it a more interesting ski for me, not the 191 as that would be absurd, but if you're concerned about them being too light to rip perhaps look at the various volkl mantra? Read through blister, they love to praise heavy skis.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

Damn that sucks bro. Are you thinking about the 104 Free's instead, or back to the drawing board?

I think I might have to! I loved those 104 Frees… just wish I could find something similar that’s also a bit more chargy. I’m a little curious about the Sego Comp skis. I’ve been trying to find reviews on the Sego Comp 104 but there’s barely anything out there… and definitely no direct comparisons to the Enforcer Frees.

 

[anders_a]

Thought I should update for anyone interested. I just received my new pair of 2022 Ranger 102s, size 191. Threw them on the scale and they ended up being ~2040 grams per ski. Way less than the advertised weight. Not sure what they changed with the construction from 2019 to 2022 but I’m thinking about returning them. Bummer.

I can throw a pair of 2022 191 to check as well.

Flex feels good though?

**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2022 at 7:18:42am

 

[BlazersTimbers]

I can throw a pair of 2022 191 to check as well.

Flex feels good though?

**This post was edited on Mar 19th 2022 at 7:18:42am

Flex feels good. Just bummed/curious as to why it’s so much lighter than they advertised. Fischer claims the 177cm size should be 2000g and Blister weighed their pair of 2018-2019 184s at 2101g and 2104g. I was hoping my 191s would be at least right around the 2200g mark. I really liked the weight of the 104 Frees and I was hoping the 102 FRs weren’t going to be that far off.

 

[BlazersTimbers]

That's exactly what soothski.com measured. It makes it a more interesting ski for me, not the 191 as that would be absurd, but if you're concerned about them being too light to rip perhaps look at the various volkl mantra? Read through blister, they love to praise heavy skis.

Btw thanks for sharing that website! I haven’t heard of that before.