Thoughts on hunting

[.Hugo.]

im gonna go ahead and say that hunting is unnecessary, but relatively not a big deal compared to other ethical issues people have to worry about. nobody NEEDS to hunt because nobody is a fucking pioneer anymore. However, some people hunt because they enjoy it and can still justify what theyre doing by actually using the animal. But I wouldnt really believe anyone trying to rationalize their need to hunt being anything more than for the enjoyment. people hunt because they want to, i dont really see any denying that.

as for the cruelty thing, fuck that. nature is cruel, and the food industry is arguably worse. the deer can get shot, or it can get devoured alive by wolves, or hit by a car, so getting shot and bleeding out in a couple minutes is a pretty good way to go, by deer standards.

the idea of animals getting hit and running off to die is sad though, especially if the body's not found and the animal essentially dies in vain.

my 2 cents

I actually know a guy that lives off of what he kills and grows. He lives in the middle if the woods and relies on a good hunting season to survive

 

[JGWI]

im gonna go ahead and say that hunting is unnecessary, but relatively not a big deal compared to other ethical issues people have to worry about. nobody NEEDS to hunt because nobody is a fucking pioneer anymore. However, some people hunt because they enjoy it and can still justify what theyre doing by actually using the animal. But I wouldnt really believe anyone trying to rationalize their need to hunt being anything more than for the enjoyment. people hunt because they want to, i dont really see any denying that.

as for the cruelty thing, fuck that. nature is cruel, and the food industry is arguably worse. the deer can get shot, or it can get devoured alive by wolves, or hit by a car, so getting shot and bleeding out in a couple minutes is a pretty good way to go, by deer standards.

the idea of animals getting hit and running off to die is sad though, especially if the body's not found and the animal essentially dies in vain.

my 2 cents

My grandpa use to run a logging operation in northern MN. There would be nights they would leave and see the deer on the edge of the slashes they just cut and then come back the next morning and find 12-15 of them dead because of the wolves.

 

[VT_FLO]

Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with

Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less black people than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing black people will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with

/s

My point is that you're a fucking idiot.

 

[brett_fisher]

Hunting is cruel. If you hurt animals you're a disgusting waste of human life.

Not to mention a fucking HICK

amen

 

[El_Barto.]

Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less black people than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing black people will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with

/s

My point is that you're a fucking idiot.

Look, there is no need to be racist. I didnt mention black people or anything like that so I dont see why youre bringing them into this.

All im saying is that the majority of hunters only do it because they like killing stuff and they just let the animals rot in the forest. These hunters have high powered guns like the batman movie shooter. Making huntig illegal would limit these guns and thus reduce crime rates.

If you like high crime rates i guess you should support hunting. I like safe schools for our children so i dont support hunting or hunters

 

[liftedresearcher]

I would rather eat meat that I have hunted over supermarket meat. and, no, I'm not a redneck. slaughterhouses are notoriously inhumane to livestock. in my opinion, shooting an animal that has lived a life in the wild is a lot more humane than an animal that raised in a pen and then sent to slaughter, what kind of life is that? Plus meat from a wild animal is as organic as it can get, it hasn't been given antibiotics or hormones or any of that shit.

i don't know where you guys are from, but where I live and hunt, everyone I know is in it for the meat. not the trophy. if you shoot a trophy buck, its an added bonus, but the meat will all be used, plus the hide makes an awesome blanket or rug. I can eat venison or ruffed grouse pretty much all year, be it jerky, burgers, steak or sausage. Its nice to know where my meat has came from, because I shot it and processed it.

hunting is also a method of conservation. deer would be overpopulated to fuck if hunting wasn't allowed. overpopulation would lead to disease spread and other issues in the population. people would be hitting deer on the road all the time.

its fine to be against hunting, its your opinion, just don't go out and bash hunters calling them inhumane redneck idiots. cause most of us are just normal civilized people putting food on the table for our friends and family.

 

[liftedresearcher]

All im saying is that the majority of hunters only do it because they like killing stuff and they just let the animals rot in the forest. These hunters have high powered guns like the batman movie shooter. Making huntig illegal would limit these guns and thus reduce crime rates.

If you like high crime rates i guess you should support hunting. I like safe schools for our children so i dont support hunting or hunters

the Aurora shooter used a smith and wesson M&P15 which is a .223 caliber tactical gun. you cant use a caliber that small for hunting big game in Canada, i'm not sure if it is the same down in the states.

also i don't know one person who would shoot an animal and leave it. I don't know where you are getting these numbers where "most" hunters are leaving animals to rot, but you're looking stupid claiming that.

do some research before you go on the internet and call out everyone in a specific group.

 

[El_Barto.]

the Aurora shooter used a smith and wesson M&P15 which is a .223 caliber tactical gun. you cant use a caliber that small for hunting big game in Canada, i'm not sure if it is the same down in the states.

also i don't know one person who would shoot an animal and leave it. I don't know where you are getting these numbers where "most" hunters are leaving animals to rot, but you're looking stupid claiming that.

do some research before you go on the internet and call out everyone in a specific group.

Im not even calling anyone out. Im just saying that hunting is wrong because there are perfectly good dead animals to eat from the grocery store. These already dead animals feel very little or no pain because if genetic engineering leaving them with dampened nervous systems. Yet you think its ok to go make wild animals suffer for really no reason besides that its fun to shoot em.

 

[JGWI]

I would rather eat meat that I have hunted over supermarket meat. and, no, I'm not a redneck. slaughterhouses are notoriously inhumane to livestock. in my opinion, shooting an animal that has lived a life in the wild is a lot more humane than an animal that raised in a pen and then sent to slaughter, what kind of life is that? Plus meat from a wild animal is as organic as it can get, it hasn't been given antibiotics or hormones or any of that shit.

i don't know where you guys are from, but where I live and hunt, everyone I know is in it for the meat. not the trophy. if you shoot a trophy buck, its an added bonus, but the meat will all be used, plus the hide makes an awesome blanket or rug. I can eat venison or ruffed grouse pretty much all year, be it jerky, burgers, steak or sausage. Its nice to know where my meat has came from, because I shot it and processed it.

hunting is also a method of conservation. deer would be overpopulated to fuck if hunting wasn't allowed. overpopulation would lead to disease spread and other issues in the population. people would be hitting deer on the road all the time.

its fine to be against hunting, its your opinion, just don't go out and bash hunters calling them inhumane redneck idiots. cause most of us are just normal civilized people putting food on the table for our friends and family.

Jerky is the best.

 

[Flacko]

Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with

They also have less black people...

 

[Steezy_G]

Look, there is no need to be racist. I didnt mention black people or anything like that so I dont see why youre bringing them into this.

All im saying is that the majority of hunters only do it because they like killing stuff and they just let the animals rot in the forest. These hunters have high powered guns like the batman movie shooter. Making huntig illegal would limit these guns and thus reduce crime rates.

If you like high crime rates i guess you should support hunting. I like safe schools for our children so i dont support hunting or hunters

Actually bud the guy in the batman shooting was using an asult rifle capiible of holding tons of ammo. The typical deer rifle is a bold action rifle that only holds 3-4 rounds. So before you start putting your 2 cents in think with your head

 

[JGWI]

Im not even calling anyone out. Im just saying that hunting is wrong because there are perfectly good dead animals to eat from the grocery store. These already dead animals feel very little or no pain because if genetic engineering leaving them with dampened nervous systems. Yet you think its ok to go make wild animals suffer for really no reason besides that its fun to shoot em.

Ha, perfectly good dead animals at the store. That's a funny one. I didn't know you mr. El_Barto were a Veterinary Neurologist! or did you read that off some YouTube video?

 

[.Hugo.]

Actually bud the guy in the batman shooting was using an asult rifle capiible of holding tons of ammo. The typical deer rifle is a bold action rifle that only holds 3-4 rounds. So before you start putting your 2 cents in think with your head

*sigh*

I didnt wanna get in on this argument but people like you are fucking morons. He did not use an assault rifle, you have no clue what an assault rifle is. Youre just a sheep that uses the medias terms. So before you start putting your 2 cents in think with your head.

Oh and deer rifles come in semi auto as well. And they are legal to hunt with up to 5 round magazines. You literally didnt make 1 correct statement

 

[TinyTigers]

 

[406]

I love cougar hunting

 

[Chubz.]

Hahahaha holy shit

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with

Stop being a troll. You should fact check your self.

Per capita Canada Canada ranks 3rd in domestic gun ownership, the US and Norway are first and second.

The majority of Gun crimes are not committed with high powered hunting rifles, or by individuals who hunt.

The majority of guns in Canada are used for hunting, that is not the case in the US.

You are talking about very different things, you have a limited education on the subject and you are heavily biased... but just keep trolling.

 

[corona]

Stop being a troll. You should fact check your self.

Per capita Canada Canada ranks 3rd in domestic gun ownership, the US and Norway are first and second.

The majority of Gun crimes are not committed with high powered hunting rifles, or by individuals who hunt.

The majority of guns in Canada are used for hunting, that is not the case in the US.

You are talking about very different things, you have a limited education on the subject and you are heavily biased... but just keep trolling.

I may be being trolled by someone who was trying to troll a troll trolling a troll here...

but YOU should fact check. Canada is 13th in domestic gun ownership and the vast majority of guns in Canada are NOT used to hunt (although they may be meant for hunting)

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

I may be being trolled by someone who was trying to troll a troll trolling a troll here...

but YOU should fact check. Canada is 13th in domestic gun ownership and the vast majority of guns in Canada are NOT used to hunt (although they may be meant for hunting)

13th in domestic gun ownership, when counting guns per capita. But when counting gun owners, Canada is 3rd, by percentage.

My hunting quote comes from a canadian gun loby page, so its probably distorted. .

 

[Hugh_Conway_jr]

Its statistics, you can make them say what every you want

..but equating hunting rifles to gun crime is crazy, it doesnt correlate.

The US does not have the highest rates of gun violence or gun related murders, despite having the highest rates of gun ownership (no matter how you break down the stats). So just playing the numbers game, more guns does not equal more gun crime.

More disgruntled, young white males, with access to high powered automatic weapons .... now that stat probably does correlate to violence.

 

[_CC_]

As someone with a background in ecology I will always advocate for hunters. An extreme minority of hunters are ignorant gun nuts. Most work hard for their kills and see hunting as a chance to connect with nature. Hunters are conservationists, note that difference between preservation. Since apex predators have been anihannihilated on most of the planet, ecosystems are severely compromised. Reduction of apex predators causes over population of herd animals like white tailes and elk and a massive release of meso predators like coyote and fox. Our ecosystems are fucked, and until apex predators are able to control certain prey animal ppopulatios they'll remain that way. Hunters fill the void. Look into the research behind riparian area health in Yellowstone, and the fact that stream banks and wetlands in Rocky mountain national park have had to be fenced off from massive sedentary elk populations. You want free range organic meat? Kill it yourself. Every hunter I know uses their kill down to the guts. Tags are expensive, and hunting is hard. Hunter groups like ducks unlimited and the Rocky mountain elk foundation help conserve habitat and spend serious cash that goes directly to wildlife management and conservation. Gun nuts with ar15s do not represent hunters as a whole. Neither do tea party fuckheads. Talk to a bow hunter, he/ she will change your mind if you're against hunting.

 

[--ski--]

Well in NZ almost all animals were originally introduced for the sake of hunting and are now considered pests. Rabbits are such bad pests farmers are legally required to hunt them. So if it ain't a cow or sheep, shoot it.

 

[Scotty_Boy]

There is no doubt in my mind that hunting provides benefits to the environment but the majority of people i know that hunt don't hunt because they care about the environment or because they just cant live without elk or deer meat in their freezer. They do it because they think there is sport in tracking and shooting at an animal with a high powered rife. Plus after they bag these animals they try to give the majority of the meat away because they don't even know what to do with it all which is annoying as fuck.

I will happily take as much deer jerky and other goodies I can get my hands on, the stuff is amazing. Plus more of the animal is used.

 

[El_Barto.]

Stop being a troll. You should fact check your self.

Per capita Canada Canada ranks 3rd in domestic gun ownership, the US and Norway are first and second.

The majority of Gun crimes are not committed with high powered hunting rifles, or by individuals who hunt.

The majority of guns in Canada are used for hunting, that is not the case in the US.

You are talking about very different things, you have a limited education on the subject and you are heavily biased... but just keep trolling.

i dont understand how anyone can even try to argue with me on this. America has the most amount of guns because we have the most amount of hunting. America has the most amount of gun violence because we have the most amount of guns.

Do you all not remember the transitive property?

 

[.frenchy]

i dont understand how anyone can even try to argue with me on this. America has the most amount of guns because we have the most amount of hunting. America has the most amount of gun violence because we have the most amount of guns.

Do you all not remember the transitive property?

We have tons of gun violence because Mr. Obama greets mexicano's at the border with fake passports and he gives the inner city thugs foodstamps so they can afford to buy guns illegally through the black market. That's why we have so much gun violence, yes we have tons of fire-arms in the US, but the ones who legally purchase them and treat them carefully will never have any need to use them in a gun violence situation.

I'd rather have a lot of guns than not many, you'd be surprised how many shootings, rapes, robberies have been stopped by someone with a concealed carry.

I know i'm just giving you bait because you're a gun owner as well, but #yolo

 

[S.J.W]

If you're not eating what you kill then you shouldn't be hunting. No animal deserves to be shot because you have the right to a gun and then stuffed by a taxidermist. However if you eat what you kill then all to you. It's a bit hypocritical on anyones behalf that eats meat to turn around and say that hunting to kill and eat is wrong.

However, onto my second point. Hunting should be done in moderation and with strict rules. Now I'm not familiar with rules in America and Canada to when you can/can't hunt and what not but in Australia we have fairly strict rules to what you can hunt and when. We also have national parks where you can't hunt which I think is great.

 

[corona]

As someone with a background in ecology I will always advocate for hunters. An extreme minority of hunters are ignorant gun nuts. Most work hard for their kills and see hunting as a chance to connect with nature. Hunters are conservationists, note that difference between preservation. Since apex predators have been anihannihilated on most of the planet, ecosystems are severely compromised. Reduction of apex predators causes over population of herd animals like white tailes and elk and a massive release of meso predators like coyote and fox. Our ecosystems are fucked, and until apex predators are able to control certain prey animal ppopulatios they'll remain that way. Hunters fill the void. Look into the research behind riparian area health in Yellowstone, and the fact that stream banks and wetlands in Rocky mountain national park have had to be fenced off from massive sedentary elk populations. You want free range organic meat? Kill it yourself. Every hunter I know uses their kill down to the guts. Tags are expensive, and hunting is hard. Hunter groups like ducks unlimited and the Rocky mountain elk foundation help conserve habitat and spend serious cash that goes directly to wildlife management and conservation. Gun nuts with ar15s do not represent hunters as a whole. Neither do tea party fuckheads. Talk to a bow hunter, he/ she will change your mind if you're against hunting.

Although the reason for the lack of apex predators is hunters in the first place. It's a bit backwards to say 'look what good they're doing ' when they're the ones that caused the problem.

But I agree hunting can be good.

 

[_CC_]

Although the reason for the lack of apex predators is hunters in the first place. It's a bit backwards to say 'look what good they're doing ' when they're the ones that caused the problem.

But I agree hunting can be good.

Eh the problem was mainly habitat loss and yes "hunters" and fur trappers didn't help. Hunters now are not the same as they were 200 years ago. For example, americans were told to shoot every wolf on sight then, that's not hunting, that's just murder.

In addition, I have kind of a problem with hunting mountain lions, bears and wolves and other large carnivores. You can't really eat them and in order to ensure you bag one you need dogs. It's a trophy and nothing else, plus those carnivores have a low population and hard enough time anyway. Black bears in some areas may be an exception to that, like in wildland urban interface communities where they eat trash and Chihuahuas. The only reason we hunt these types of animals to "control their numbers" is because we keep these numbers really really small because we're afraid. A bear wanders into a neighborhood for the first time "oh shit the bear population is too big because they're not where the belong." No, they were there before we were.

 

[SFB]

hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Calb3rt]

Eh the problem was mainly habitat loss and yes "hunters" and fur trappers didn't help. Hunters now are not the same as they were 200 years ago. For example, americans were told to shoot every wolf on sight then, that's not hunting, that's just murder.

In addition, I have kind of a problem with hunting mountain lions, bears and wolves and other large carnivores. You can't really eat them and in order to ensure you bag one you need dogs. It's a trophy and nothing else, plus those carnivores have a low population and hard enough time anyway. Black bears in some areas may be an exception to that, like in wildland urban interface communities where they eat trash and Chihuahuas. The only reason we hunt these types of animals to "control their numbers" is because we keep these numbers really really small because we're afraid. A bear wanders into a neighborhood for the first time "oh shit the bear population is too big because they're not where the belong." No, they were there before we were.

people are still told to shoot wolves on sight in some places today. and honestly most of those people are not hunters they are famers protecting their livestock/land(how do you explain the concept of land ownership to a wolf). i cant really speak for hunters 200 years ago but id wager they were more aware of their impacts on their local ecosystems than we are today. their lives were pretty much dependent on game meat.

you can very much eat mountain lions, bears, and wolves, and no you do not need dogs, at all, to get them. they are not just trophies, shit, your ignorance is really stressing me out. mountain lion meat is so amazingly tender, you can chew it with your tongue, bear meat(grizzly or black) makes delicious burgers, and wolf is nothing special. Its only the western stigma of eating mans best friend that people believe canine meat is inedible. mostly the same with any carnivore meat. why do you really believe that you cant eat them?

i dont want to touch your definition of murder or the idea of culling predators because we are afraid of them(seriously?). i cant tell if you are just stirring the pot with el barto or not...

 

[Steezy_G]

so fucking sick!

 

[cmacrae]

If you're not eating what you kill then you shouldn't be hunting. No animal deserves to be shot because you have the right to a gun and then stuffed by a taxidermist. However if you eat what you kill then all to you. It's a bit hypocritical on anyones behalf that eats meat to turn around and say that hunting to kill and eat is wrong.

However, onto my second point. Hunting should be done in moderation and with strict rules. Now I'm not familiar with rules in America and Canada to when you can/can't hunt and what not but in Australia we have fairly strict rules to what you can hunt and when. We also have national parks where you can't hunt which I think is great.

Actually hunting in Australia is relatively unrestricted once you get all the licences, although types of firearms and ownership is restricted. Hunting in national parks should also be revisited with certain weeks dedicated for hunting to try reduce the feral animal population.

Certain species of deer you can hunt all yeah (should be all of them since they're a pest). With so many feral cats, dogs, deer, pigs and rabbits there is a pretty huge need for hunting in Australia as it now has the highest rate of mammal extinction in the work. Most hunters in Australia say they are doing it for conservation (myself included) and many of them try to use the by-products of the hunt when they are able to.

There is nothing wrong with reducing the population of feral animals that do nothing but kill natives and cause damage to property and industry.

 

[MLB]

I think hunting is great, but its misunderstood. That's mostly because of dudes hunting in fatigues with tactical style stocks, pretending that their Rambo....or trophy hunters.

I grew up with it all my life, and its part of my heritage and being self sustainable up north. Lots of guys are saying that most hunters just hunt because they like to kill stuff. Its not true. One moose can feed your family for a whole winter. That's for people that might not live near a supermarket, or just don't have the cash to buy meat from the grocery store.

On top of all that it just takes the hypocrisy out of it. I know the approxamate age of the animal I just killed. I know it lead a great life in the forest. I know that the meat that i will harvest from this animal is more organic, grain fed and natural then anything i can get at the store. I also get satisfaction by knowing that no matter what happens in life I know I can feed my loved ones just by walking out into the bush with my rifle. Plus moose is the steak of the forest....your never going to want to go back to cow after that.

Its also a great time for bonding a friendship. Most people from where im from will save months of vacation time just for hunting season. Knowedge is passed down through the generations, jokes are told, beers are drank, and everybody has a great time.

Its just in the states for some pretty obvious reasons hunters are mostly right wing gun nuts. Where as up in Canada most people I know vote liberal or NDP ( center left/socialist parties). I think here there is a better understanding that a rifle is a tool, and its used as such. Sure you can have fun target shooting....but you don't need an AR for that. Its pretty similar to how hunting is in northern European nations.

 

[saskskier]

I don't hunt, but have lots of friends that do and they give me delicious, tasty meat.

What's not to love?