Thoughts on a future setup - ON3P Jeffrey 102s + Pivots

[Pikachu.]

What's up everyone - It's been a while since I've posted anything on Newschoolers, but I'm glad to be back. I'm in the market for a new daily driver ski, and am hoping to crowd source some opinions from you all.

About me: I'm 6'3", 185-195 lbs. I live and ski in Colorado, mostly in the front range. I consider myself an advanced/expert skier, and spend most of my time skiing all-mountain terrain with a heavy freestyle influence (many years of park background). I'm in the market for a daily driver resort ski that is stiff/damp enough to handle someone my size skiing aggressively through variable conditions all over the mountain, but playful/balanced enough for lots of roller/side-hit ollies & 360s, 5-10ft cliff drops, etc. I'll roll through the park for a few laps here and there, but raw park performance isn't really what I'm looking for; If the ski can hit a rail or two and be stable enough to handle medium sized jumps, that's all I really need. I also highly value switch skiing performance - if I'm skiing groomers, I'm probably skiing switch 25-50% of the time. Durability is also important since I tend to be pretty hard on my skis.

For reference, my last skis were a pair of 184cm K2 Poachers, mounted at -1cm from true center. I LOVE these skis for doing the kind of skiing I described above, but thinking about the spectrum between freestyle and all-mountain performance, they lean just a bit too far in the freestyle direction for the kind of skiing I like to do nowadays. I'm looking for something just a touch beefier and more stable outside the park.

With all that said, right now I'm leaning towards a pair of 191cm ON3P Jeffery 102s mounted with Pivot 15s. I'm leaning towards these over the next top contenders:

- Moment Deathwish 104

- K2 Reckoner 102

- Icelandic Nomad 105

- Armada ARV 106

- Faction Prodigy 2 98

Are there any skis missing from this list that I should consider? For anyone who has skied the Jeffrey: Based on how I've described my ski style, does the ski seems like it would fit me well?

Any new binding thoughts? This subject is beat to death, and I've read a lot threads on this topic, so it's not super important to discuss here. I'm considering Pivot 15s and Salomon STH2 16s, but leaning towards the Pivots because I have disposable income and because spending time on this website in my youth has given me an incurable desire to look cool on skis.

I appreciate any of your thoughts!

 

[WoFIowz]

What about the wildcat?

 

[Pikachu.]

What about the wildcat?

I've considered it, but ultimately I decided that it seemed pretty similar to the Deathwish and Deathwish is higher up the list because if I go with a Moment ski I want to give the triple camber technology a try.

 

[switchlip2]

The Jeffery’s sound perfect for you dude. And you gotta go with the pivots for sure if you got the cash

 

[Liamsasd]

What's up everyone - It's been a while since I've posted anything on Newschoolers, but I'm glad to be back. I'm in the market for a new daily driver ski, and am hoping to crowd source some opinions from you all.

About me: I'm 6'3", 185-195 lbs. I live and ski in Colorado, mostly in the front range. I consider myself an advanced/expert skier, and spend most of my time skiing all-mountain terrain with a heavy freestyle influence (many years of park background). I'm in the market for a daily driver resort ski that is stiff/damp enough to handle someone my size skiing aggressively through variable conditions all over the mountain, but playful/balanced enough for lots of roller/side-hit ollies & 360s, 5-10ft cliff drops, etc. I'll roll through the park for a few laps here and there, but raw park performance isn't really what I'm looking for; If the ski can hit a rail or two and be stable enough to handle medium sized jumps, that's all I really need. I also highly value switch skiing performance - if I'm skiing groomers, I'm probably skiing switch 25-50% of the time. Durability is also important since I tend to be pretty hard on my skis.

For reference, my last skis were a pair of 184cm K2 Poachers, mounted at -1cm from true center. I LOVE these skis for doing the kind of skiing I described above, but thinking about the spectrum between freestyle and all-mountain performance, they lean just a bit too far in the freestyle direction for the kind of skiing I like to do nowadays. I'm looking for something just a touch beefier and more stable outside the park.

With all that said, right now I'm leaning towards a pair of 191cm ON3P Jeffery 102s mounted with Pivot 15s. I'm leaning towards these over the next top contenders:

- Moment Deathwish 104

- K2 Reckoner 102

- Icelandic Nomad 105

- Armada ARV 106

- Faction Prodigy 2 98

Are there any skis missing from this list that I should consider? For anyone who has skied the Jeffrey: Based on how I've described my ski style, does the ski seems like it would fit me well?

Any new binding thoughts? This subject is beat to death, and I've read a lot threads on this topic, so it's not super important to discuss here. I'm considering Pivot 15s and Salomon STH2 16s, but leaning towards the Pivots because I have disposable income and because spending time on this website in my youth has given me an incurable desire to look cool on skis.

I appreciate any of your thoughts!

I have both a pair of jefs and reckoners both with pivots and their are both really fun skis super playful and fun to ride the jefs being more buttery and choppy they dont handle iffy choppy snow that well if thats what you will be riding then id go for woodsmans they will be a little more mountain but i ride the jefs everywhere and havent had any problems so you cant go wrong with any of those!

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Are you interested in "making the whole mountain your playground?"

 

[Pikachu.]

Are you interested in "making the whole mountain your playground?"

I can't tell if you're fucking with me because this sounds ripped right out of a company product listing, but in essence yes lmao

 

[WabbleDee]

tbh I think the Jeff’s only shine in fresh snow. I’ve never taken my Jeff 110s in a few inches of snow and been happy about it. My wildcats I’ve taken out anywhere from 0 snow for weeks to 8 inch days and have fun, whereas the Jeff’s are literally only fun if the snow is fresh. Width/length def plays a role in that but wildcats are probably my favorite ski as of now

 

[AlmostCooler]

DW104 are more chargey than the 112s. So probably slightly more directional than the Jeffs.

you can’t go wrong with those 2. With metal pivots, used if you have to

 

[Non_State_Actor]

I can't tell if you're fucking with me because this sounds ripped right out of a company product listing, but in essence yes lmao

The Big Horn makes the whole mountain your playground.

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We designed a new layup for the Big Horn with Freeride World Tour Champion Isaac Freeland in mind. We wanted to create a ski that preserves its playful nature while holding steady under the highest speeds and largest airs on the mountain. The perfect balance between the confidence to shred anything and the playfulness to jib to your heart's content - available in 96, 106, and 114mm widths.

Sego Big Horn 106, yes it was a meme ski on NS a while back, yes it fits your criteria well.

Otherwise I would suggest the Deathwish 104 though I've only used the 112 it is one of my all-time favorite skis.

 

[bustedpivot]

I'm 6'4", 203#, and ski the front range about 60 days a year usually (Abasin, WP, Copper). I daily the Jeff 102 191 and the Deathwish 112 191. Agree with the guy above that the Jeff isn't great at all unless there's some fresh or the conditions are not firm. Otherwise, it's a sick ski that will fit your needs and I ski them a ton. Not a carver or charger, but poppy, damp, stable and playful.

I would really really consider the DW 112 also. It is extremely nimble, very quick and very very versatile. Does not feel at all like a 112. Had almost identical mount point to Jeff, skis switch great and is super playful. Handles bumps every bit as well as the Jeff 102.

If I had to choose one of these skis as my only ski for the front range for the rest of my life, I don't think I could choose.

 

[JerryAllDay]

My vote is for Jskis Hotshots. They're heavy, bendy, and very maneuverable. I've had a few sets of skis over the years, but always end up reaching for them whatever the conditions. I've also had my current set since the 19/20 season if I'm not mistaken and they're still going strong. I don't hit rails though which probably adds to thier longevity.

I actually have a question for you. I'm about your size and I was wondering what length of skis do you usually go for? I'm in the market for powder skis. My dailys are 184cm, and I'm happy with that, but should I being trying to size up as I progress? Also for float since I'm trying to get powder specific ones?

 

[Pikachu.]

I'm 6'4", 203#, and ski the front range about 60 days a year usually (Abasin, WP, Copper). I daily the Jeff 102 191 and the Deathwish 112 191. Agree with the guy above that the Jeff isn't great at all unless there's some fresh or the conditions are not firm. Otherwise, it's a sick ski that will fit your needs and I ski them a ton. Not a carver or charger, but poppy, damp, stable and playful.

I would really really consider the DW 112 also. It is extremely nimble, very quick and very very versatile. Does not feel at all like a 112. Had almost identical mount point to Jeff, skis switch great and is super playful. Handles bumps every bit as well as the Jeff 102.

If I had to choose one of these skis as my only ski for the front range for the rest of my life, I don't think I could choose.

This is a super helpful response since we ski the same resorts and are the same size. Do the 112 waist on your DW ever feel too wide? I do enjoy some good trees and bumps (Mary Jane), which is part of why most skis I’ve been looking at are in the 105 range. I’m curious how the DW 104s compare to your experience on the 112s. I’m definitely going to look more into Deathwish and Wildcat based on this and other suggestions.

Can I ask what makes the Jeffrey’s not great in firm conditions? Just can’t hold an edge well?

 

[Pikachu.]

My vote is for Jskis Hotshots. They're heavy, bendy, and very maneuverable. I've had a few sets of skis over the years, but always end up reaching for them whatever the conditions. I've also had my current set since the 19/20 season if I'm not mistaken and they're still going strong. I don't hit rails though which probably adds to thier longevity.

I actually have a question for you. I'm about your size and I was wondering what length of skis do you usually go for? I'm in the market for powder skis. My dailys are 184cm, and I'm happy with that, but should I being trying to size up as I progress? Also for float since I'm trying to get powder specific ones?

I’ll check out the hotshots as well!

My personal ski length preference is 190+ whenever they’re available. My 184 poachers are basically just because they don’t make a longer length! A caveat is that all of my skis are full twin tips and I like to mount my skis forward of the reccomend line buy a few cm. So the effective length of my skis is probably a bit shorter.

I have a pair of 191 pow skis (K2 Catamaran) that I feel is the perfect length for me. I can still do a lot of playful jumping and spinning, but they float like heaven and are more stable for me at the longer length.

I’ll definitely be going for a 190+ ski with this new daily driver ski as well. It’s important enough in my mind that it’s almost a full requirement in the skis I’m looking at.

Also, if you’re still progressing, it’s definitely something that you could grow into. It might even make you more confident and progress you faster.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 12:11:28am

 

[bustedpivot]

This is a super helpful response since we ski the same resorts and are the same size. Do the 112 waist on your DW ever feel too wide? I do enjoy some good trees and bumps (Mary Jane), which is part of why most skis I’ve been looking at are in the 105 range. I’m curious how the DW 104s compare to your experience on the 112s. I’m definitely going to look more into Deathwish and Wildcat based on this and other suggestions.

Can I ask what makes the Jeffrey’s not great in firm conditions? Just can’t hold an edge well?

DW never feel too wide to me, like not ever, and I ski trees all day at MJ and chutes and steep techy stuff a Abasin all the time. Tails are really easy to break free. They are a fantastic ski in those zones for sure. The thing about the DW which is so trippy to me is that they really feel like a much narrower ski and when you need to move them quickly, they just move.

The Jeffs just don't hold an edge well at all on firm, they don't lock in. It's the heavy rocker with stiff twin tips I imagine mostly, mount point, and I imagine something with the side cut.

 

[JerryAllDay]

I’ll check out the hotshots as well!

My personal ski length preference is 190+ whenever they’re available. My 184 poachers are basically just because they don’t make a longer length! A caveat is that all of my skis are full twin tips and I like to mount my skis forward of the reccomend line buy a few cm. So the effective length of my skis is probably a bit shorter.

I have a pair of 191 pow skis (K2 Catamaran) that I feel is the perfect length for me. I can still do a lot of playful jumping and spinning, but they float like heaven and are more stable for me at the longer length.

I’ll definitely be going for a 190+ ski with this new daily driver ski as well. It’s important enough in my mind that it’s almost a full requirement in the skis I’m looking at.

Also, if you’re still progressing, it’s definitely something that you could grow into. It might even make you more confident and progress you faster.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 12:11:28am

Thanks for the info. I snowboarded for a few years, then switched to skiing in 2018. My first set are a pair of Jskis Metals which are the predecessor to the hotshots. Besides a core shot that's been repaired and being a bit banged up, they're still going strong. I can't say enough good things about them

 

[JerryAllDay]

I’ll check out the hotshots as well!

My personal ski length preference is 190+ whenever they’re available. My 184 poachers are basically just because they don’t make a longer length! A caveat is that all of my skis are full twin tips and I like to mount my skis forward of the reccomend line buy a few cm. So the effective length of my skis is probably a bit shorter.

I have a pair of 191 pow skis (K2 Catamaran) that I feel is the perfect length for me. I can still do a lot of playful jumping and spinning, but they float like heaven and are more stable for me at the longer length.

I’ll definitely be going for a 190+ ski with this new daily driver ski as well. It’s important enough in my mind that it’s almost a full requirement in the skis I’m looking at.

Also, if you’re still progressing, it’s definitely something that you could grow into. It might even make you more confident and progress you faster.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 12:11:28am

Thanks for the info. I snowboarded for a few years, then switched to skiing in 2018. My first set are a pair of Jskis Metals which are the predecessor to the hotshots. Besides a core shot that's been repaired and being a bit banged up, they're still going strong. I can't say enough good things about them

 

[Pikachu.]

DW never feel too wide to me, like not ever, and I ski trees all day at MJ and chutes and steep techy stuff a Abasin all the time. Tails are really easy to break free. They are a fantastic ski in those zones for sure. The thing about the DW which is so trippy to me is that they really feel like a much narrower ski and when you need to move them quickly, they just move.

The Jeffs just don't hold an edge well at all on firm, they don't lock in. It's the heavy rocker with stiff twin tips I imagine mostly, mount point, and I imagine something with the side cut.

It’s really good to know about the Jeffs not being great on firm snow. Given how often things are skied out/firm in our area that might be enough to make me look elsewhere.

If you ever want to go ski let me know! Always fun to meet up with other shredders.

 

[Pikachu.]

Thanks for the info. I snowboarded for a few years, then switched to skiing in 2018. My first set are a pair of Jskis Metals which are the predecessor to the hotshots. Besides a core shot that's been repaired and being a bit banged up, they're still going strong. I can't say enough good things about them

Good choice deciding to change to skiing. I did the same snowboard -> ski switch but back in 2011. One of the best decisions of my life! I’d do it 100/100 times over again. Enjoy the progression, it’s a fun process and the effort pays off big time!

 

[Pikachu.]

DW never feel too wide to me, like not ever, and I ski trees all day at MJ and chutes and steep techy stuff a Abasin all the time. Tails are really easy to break free. They are a fantastic ski in those zones for sure. The thing about the DW which is so trippy to me is that they really feel like a much narrower ski and when you need to move them quickly, they just move.

The Jeffs just don't hold an edge well at all on firm, they don't lock in. It's the heavy rocker with stiff twin tips I imagine mostly, mount point, and I imagine something with the side cut.

One more question for you: where do you think the Jeffs outperform the DWs?

 

[bustedpivot]

One more question for you: where do you think the Jeffs outperform the DWs?

The Jeff's are damper and more poppy. I think the current version of the DW is a little heavier and more damp than the one I have from a few seasons ago, though.

 

[jimbobs]

I'm in the exact same situation as you. 6'6 riding 184 Poachers -1cm, looking for a 50/50 park and allmtn ski, but I'm east coast. I'm focusing more on a tight turn radius and ~96-100 underfoot market to preserve the fun factor, and less on variable cond. The DPS Koala 103 might be worth a look. Strong, rockered, park-friendly ski that rips turns and comes in a 189. It's been tempting me quite a bit, but it's a bit wide for my case. It's also available for $415 right now.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 12:09:46pm

 

[Celery]

I used to think that then I figured out how to actually ski the jeffs.

tbh I think the Jeff’s only shine in fresh snow. I’ve never taken my Jeff 110s in a few inches of snow and been happy about it. My wildcats I’ve taken out anywhere from 0 snow for weeks to 8 inch days and have fun, whereas the Jeff’s are literally only fun if the snow is fresh. Width/length def plays a role in that but wildcats are probably my favorite ski as of now

 

[muffMan.]

tbh I think the Jeff’s only shine in fresh snow. I’ve never taken my Jeff 110s in a few inches of snow and been happy about it. My wildcats I’ve taken out anywhere from 0 snow for weeks to 8 inch days and have fun, whereas the Jeff’s are literally only fun if the snow is fresh. Width/length def plays a role in that but wildcats are probably my favorite ski as of now

Exact opposite for me haha, I got 102s and they rip all conditions, bibbys are only fun for me with fresh, think it comes down to width mostly.

 

[WabbleDee]

They def taking some getting used to. They’re also a bit taller and wider than my wildcats.

I used to think that then I figured out how to actually ski the jeffs.

 

[five-cents]

Jeffs demand a center stance. I've tried the 102, 110, and 118. Every width will wash out if you try to drive the shovels on firm snow. To ski them on firm snow you have to roll your ankles over while maintaining a balanced, center, and upright stance. Concentrate on making contact with your edges directly under your boot. If the snow is soft they're way more forgiving and less finicky.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 8:52:31pm

 

[Pikachu.]

Jeffs demand a center stance. I've tried the 102, 110, and 118. Every width will wash out if you try to drive the shovels on firm snow. To ski them on firm snow you have to roll your ankles over while maintaining a balanced, center, and upright stance. Concentrate on making contact with your edges directly under your boot. If the snow is soft they're way more forgiving and less finicky.

**This post was edited on Apr 18th 2023 at 8:52:31pm

This makes sense but doesn't scare me away necessarily. I've skied near true center mounted skis from day 1, so this is my natural style of skiing.

 

[Pikachu.]

So based on some feedback here I went and took a closer look at the moment skis and really fell in love with the Deathwish.

Compared to what people have said about the Jeff's on firm snow, the Deathwish has triple camber and supposedly does well for a ski of this class on firm snow. I have a pair of Moment touring skis with triple camber and on the few occasions I've ridden them at the resort, they are so fun and confidence-instilling when carving in firm snow. I would be really excited to try that out on a full strength resort ski, since the touring skis are really light and get tossed around a ton.

Other than that the deathwish leans a bit further on the all-mountain side of the park all-mountain spectrum, which lines up more with what I want out of the ski.

Thinking of going the Deathwish route for now.