There you go Candide, I fixed your skis.

[Voyage86]

A simple stringer down the middle like you see in classic surfboard is all he needed to turn these blank planks into something elegant. I could look at these all day.

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[maaattt]

I'd ski that

 

[belti02]

Classy?

 

[brownetown]

Thats sick but for me personally I think for my powder ski I’m gonna stick with the stock “polar bear blinking in a blizzard” topsheet

 

[Vzx]

View attachment 1086365A simple stringer down the middle like you see in classic surfboard is all he needed to turn these blank planks into something elegant. I could look at these all day.

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Why do these actually go kinda hard

 

[Voyage86]

Why do these actually go kinda hard

My artistic talent tbh. Anyone wana sponsor me to make a line of skis???

 

[hi_vis360]

Why do these actually go kinda hard

Vertical line graphics are hot shit right now, practically every company is doing some sort of variation on this theme

 

[Voyage86]

Vertical line graphics are hot shit right now, practically every company is doing some sort of variation on this theme

almost a stretch to call this a graphic. go look up white surfboard if you aren’t familiar with them. this stringer look has been a staple in surfboards for decades.

 

[hi_vis360]

almost a stretch to call this a graphic. go look up white surfboard if you aren’t familiar with them. this stringer look has been a staple in surfboards for decades.

I understand the surfboard reference lmao, doesn’t change the fact that Vishnu, surface, jetskis, Salomon, and on3p are all producing skis that heavily feature vertical lines down the length of the ski on the topsheet. It’s a trendy look

 

[Voyage86]

I understand the surfboard reference lmao, doesn’t change the fact that Vishnu, surface, jetskis, Salomon, and on3p are all producing skis that heavily feature vertical lines down the length of the ski on the topsheet. It’s a trendy look

i guess so but i really don’t like to label straight up good design as a trend. i think the vertical designs just look super good. i personally prefer it over other designs. calling it a trend delegitimizes it. in reality it’s weird that skis haven’t had verticals designs a lot till now. in all other boards they were some of the original styles that are classic and still are hugely popular today.

 

[FaunaSkis]

I like it but man would the factory hate producing these. Gotta get this ~180cm line perfectly centered and perfectly straight in the press for both skis or people will notice. There’s no hiding with abstract shapes or patterns, especially when you get bindings onto them.

a few brands have straight lines along part of the length of the skis and you can see the minor misallignments in them a bunch.

 

[Voyage86]

I like it but man would the factory hate producing these. Gotta get this ~180cm line perfectly centered and perfectly straight in the press for both skis or people will notice. There’s no hiding with abstract shapes or patterns, especially when you get bindings onto them.

a few brands have straight lines along part of the length of the skis and you can see the minor misallignments in them a bunch.

that’s interesting. I feel like there has got to be a better way to put on graphics that are in the exact same place every time. maybe with a machine? also further on this, are the recommended mount points put on the ski after the top sheet is? if the top sheet is misaligned the rec mount points would be screwed up.

 

[ProfessorOak]

that’s interesting. I feel like there has got to be a better way to put on graphics that are in the exact same place every time. maybe with a machine? also further on this, are the recommended mount points put on the ski after the top sheet is? if the top sheet is misaligned the rec mount points would be screwed up.

hence the reason good ski shops measure mount point regardless

 

[Koshermilk]

View attachment 1086365A simple stringer down the middle like you see in classic surfboard is all he needed to turn these blank planks into something elegant. I could look at these all day.

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Like this a lot, more brands should take after surfboard designs

 

[Voyage86]

Like this a lot, more brands should take after surfboard designs

100% agree. beyond pure looks I think rocker profile for powder skis should be taken from surfboards. I think there is a huge brake through in float and planing force on powder in there somewhere.

 

[Farmville420]

100% agree. beyond pure looks I think rocker profile for powder skis should be taken from surfboards. I think there is a huge brake through in float and planing force on powder in there somewhere.

Water is different than snow

 

[snowfinder]

 

[mrk127]

Am I the only one that hates white skis, both topsheets and bases? I like my skis to stand out in the snow, especially when I'm hiking back uphill trying to find my skis after I double eject tomahawk.

But the all black and all blue Candide skis looks dope

 

[Voyage86]

Water is different than snow

you would be surprised how simular the physics of both are. Powder is kind of solid water, literally and figuratively.

 

[Farmville420]

you would be surprised how simular the physics of both are. Powder is kind of solid water, literally and figuratively.

If that were true snow shoes would work on water, there's a reason skis and snowboards work perfectly fine and don't look like surfboards at all

 

[Voyage86]

If that were true snow shoes would work on water, there's a reason skis and snowboards work perfectly fine and don't look like surfboards at all

that was to stupid to properly reply to so i’ll just say you are very wrong

 

[Farmville420]

that was to stupid to properly reply to so i’ll just say you are very wrong

viscosity of snow vs water quick

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

you would be surprised how simular the physics of both are. Powder is kind of solid water, literally and figuratively.

I know what you're trying to say. Particulate solids can follow some fluid behaviors (there's even a theory that solids are fluids with extremely high viscosity but it has fallacies). See quicksand, landslides, avalanche behavior, and like you said, skiing in snow. However, it is not at all comparable to water because snow is compressible and water isn't compressible at all. Snow can have many differing properties, all liquid water is pretty much the same when it comes to kinematics. Surfboards also must be buoyant and skis are not. Skis with a curved bottom would suck ass

 

[tutipups]

I like it but man would the factory hate producing these. Gotta get this ~180cm line perfectly centered and perfectly straight in the press for both skis or people will notice. There’s no hiding with abstract shapes or patterns, especially when you get bindings onto them.

a few brands have straight lines along part of the length of the skis and you can see the minor misallignments in them a bunch.

still better than my edollos where one is literally yellow and the other is white

 

[johnblaze]

View attachment 1086431

Those look like a pack of gum.

 

[SofaKingSick]

it's all right. looks like a j ski graphic...derivative

 

[mrk127]

I know what you're trying to say. Particulate solids can follow some fluid behaviors (there's even a theory that solids are fluids with extremely high viscosity but it has fallacies). See quicksand, landslides, avalanche behavior, and like you said, skiing in snow. However, it is not at all comparable to water because snow is compressible and water isn't compressible at all. Snow can have many differing properties, all liquid water is pretty much the same when it comes to kinematics. Surfboards also must be buoyant and skis are not. Skis with a curved bottom would suck ass

Engineer moment

 

[FaunaSkis]

that’s interesting. I feel like there has got to be a better way to put on graphics that are in the exact same place every time. maybe with a machine? also further on this, are the recommended mount points put on the ski after the top sheet is? if the top sheet is misaligned the rec mount points would be screwed up.

Factories, especially the big ones have gotten better (IMO) at getting their topsheets on correctly, I feel you used to see bigger misalignments. Pretty much all factories have some method of locating the layers wrt each other with pins, cutouts, insets etc.

Brands have a variety of ways of indicating recommended mount points, some print on after press, others physically mark on (cuts usually on sidewalls) after pressing, some physically mark on before pressing (like with little lumps on the core/topsheet) and others print onto the topsheet before pressing. All of these methods still have the possibility of inaccuracy, even with computer/machine processes.

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[Voyage86]

viscosity of snow vs water quick

at speed the planing properties are super similar

 

[K-Dot.]

Skis with a curved bottom would suck ass

They actually really don’t suck. The surface Labs from back in the day were super fun skis and had some side to side rocker throughout the whole length of the ski. A bit niche but I wish they would still offer them, they were just so loose and surfy and fun

 

[FaunaSkis]

still better than my edollos where one is literally yellow and the other is white

The simplest non-production issue explanation for this is, the ski that's yellow was the one on top when they were stacked and it has protected the other one from UV damage.

 

[Voyage86]

I know what you're trying to say. Particulate solids can follow some fluid behaviors (there's even a theory that solids are fluids with extremely high viscosity but it has fallacies). See quicksand, landslides, avalanche behavior, and like you said, skiing in snow. However, it is not at all comparable to water because snow is compressible and water isn't compressible at all. Snow can have many differing properties, all liquid water is pretty much the same when it comes to kinematics. Surfboards also must be buoyant and skis are not. Skis with a curved bottom would suck ass

planing and drag properties at speed are very similar between snow and water. obviously they are still a world apart but waters surface tension is the parallel between snow compressing. A fast rocker profile from a surfboard will work really well in powder. Its not that deep but surfboards have been refining their rocker profile to extremely exact margins because rocker profile is the most important part of a surfboard. obviously skis have also been refining their rocker profiles but skis simply haven’t been around as long as surfboards so there will obviously be more r and d with surfboards. it’s all just a theory tho.

 

[Farmville420]

at speed the planing properties are super similar

Yeah this is what Monkey was getting at though. Surfboards and skis both can be designed to float at speed, but at rest a surfboard still has to be able to float on water whereas skis absolutely do not have to consider any sort of buoyant force

 

[Cougs]

Those are clean

 

[Voyage86]

Yeah this is what Monkey was getting at though. Surfboards and skis both can be designed to float at speed, but at rest a surfboard still has to be able to float on water whereas skis absolutely do not have to consider any sort of buoyant force

yup, good observation

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

at speed the planing properties are super similar

You're right but a lot of powder skiing isn't planing

They actually really don’t suck. The surface Labs from back in the day were super fun skis and had some side to side rocker throughout the whole length of the ski. A bit niche but I wish they would still offer them, they were just so loose and surfy and fun

I could see it being fun in niche situations. I mean there's a reason there's all sorts of wild ski shapes out there that would never be fun in normal conditions but perfect for specific stuff. Designing anything is a decision tree of compromises and there are skis that compromise a lot of other performance to be the absolute best at one thing

 

[Voyage86]

You're right but a lot of powder skiing isn't planing

i would disagree tbh. only reason the rocker is there is to keep the ski above the snow. planing is always a factor when skiing in powder.

 

[partyandBS]

i feel like the line for surf boards is to help locate center for when they stand up. is that accurate?? i feel like on skis it would be helpful for alignment on rails and help with awareness of where to grab. could be a good graphic for training

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

i would disagree tbh. only reason the rocker is there is to keep the ski above the snow. planing is always a factor when skiing in powder.

Yeah I think I was wrong by saying "a lot" of powder skiing isn't planing, it is always a factor. But only one of many and I would say more than 50% of the time I ski powder, there are differing layers of snow underneath for which it's nice having a unique ski shape, not a surfboard shape meant for staying on top. Even powder snowboards aren't replicas of surfboards.

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[Voyage86]

i feel like the line for surf boards is to help locate center for when they stand up. is that accurate?? i feel like on skis it would be helpful for alignment on rails and help with awareness of where to grab. could be a good graphic for training

no the line in a surfboard is actually part of the boards internal construction. It’s two pieces of foam sandwiching the wood stringer. the stringer gives the board strength, stiffness and pop. I never thought about visual aids on the skis helping with tricks. could be a sick idea.

 

[Voyage86]

Yeah I think I was wrong by saying "a lot" of powder skiing isn't planing, it is always a factor. But only one of many and I would say more than 50% of the time I ski powder, there are differing layers of snow underneath for which it's nice having a unique ski shape, not a surfboard shape meant for staying on top. Even powder snowboards aren't replicas of surfboards.

**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2024 at 2:01:29am

i gata disagree with you on that again. in every review you can find on any ski above 100 underfoot, almost always the first thing the reviewer will talk about is it’s float. In my opinion i think the float and therefore rocker profile is the most important part of skiing powder. If you can’t get on top of the snow you basically can’t go anywhere in anything heavier than blower pow.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

i gata disagree with you on that again. in every review you can find on any ski above 100 underfoot, almost always the first thing the reviewer will talk about is it’s float. In my opinion i think the float and therefore rocker profile is the most important part of skiing powder. If you can’t get on top of the snow you basically can’t go anywhere in anything heavier than blower pow.

How much powder have you skied?

 

[Voyage86]

How much powder have you skied?

enough, i’m over exaggerating when i say you can’t go anywhere. But you for sure can’t carry speed as well, it’s just more enjoyable when your ski floats nice.

 

[BallClapper]

White pow skis are an L. Even with that lil line down the middle. Brother.

 

[WoFIowz]

This was a trip of a read. I'll annotate.

100% agree. beyond pure looks I think rocker profile for powder skis should be taken from surfboards. I think there is a huge brake through in float and planing force on powder in there somewhere.

On the right track there bud

Water is different than snow

Ehhhh....

you would be surprised how simular the physics of both are. Powder is kind of solid water, literally and figuratively.

Uhhhhhhh...

If that were true snow shoes would work on water, there's a reason skis and snowboards work perfectly fine and don't look like surfboards at all

Not a religious man. Jesus walked on water so fuck you too.

I know what you're trying to say. Particulate solids can follow some fluid behaviors (there's even a theory that solids are fluids with extremely high viscosity but it has fallacies). See quicksand, landslides, avalanche behavior, and like you said, skiing in snow. However, it is not at all comparable to water because snow is compressible and water isn't compressible at all. Snow can have many differing properties, all liquid water is pretty much the same when it comes to kinematics. Surfboards also must be buoyant and skis are not. Skis with a curved bottom would suck ass

If you're gonna get all fancy, I'm gonna remind you that there's space in between liquid water molecules and with enough force, can be compressed.

Yeah I think I was wrong by saying "a lot" of powder skiing isn't planing, it is always a factor. But only one of many and I would say more than 50% of the time I ski powder, there are differing layers of snow underneath for which it's nice having a unique ski shape, not a surfboard shape meant for staying on top. Even powder snowboards aren't replicas of surfboards.

**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2024 at 2:01:29am

Getting closer...

i gata disagree with you on that again. in every review you can find on any ski above 100 underfoot, almost always the first thing the reviewer will talk about is it’s float. In my opinion i think the float and therefore rocker profile is the most important part of skiing powder. If you can’t get on top of the snow you basically can’t go anywhere in anything heavier than blower pow.

Did you guys not know rockered powder skis were inspired by water skis? Culture yourselves: https://www.elevationoutdoors.com/blogs/editors-letter/king-of-rocker/

 

[Voyage86]

This was a trip of a read. I'll annotate.

Did you guys not know rockered powder skis were inspired by water skis? Culture yourselves: https://www.elevationoutdoors.com/blogs/editors-letter/king-of-rocker/

I didn’t know that but it makes a lot of sense. I think that proves me right over all in this argument? but ya thanks for your input.

 

[Voyage86]

White pow skis are an L. Even with that lil line down the middle. Brother.

ya i agree but at least now they look sick ?

 

[CT_CREW]

Voyage86100% agree. beyond pure looks I think rocker profile for powder skis should be taken from surfboards. I think there is a huge brake through in float and planing force on powder in there somewhere.

Water is different than snow

you guys have heard of Shane Mckonkey right?

 

[Voyage86]

you guys have heard of Shane Mckonkey right?

i’ve heard of him but i don’t know much about him. I’m a little young and got into skiing to late to have known about him back then.

 

[egirl.ski]

I like it but man would the factory hate producing these. Gotta get this ~180cm line perfectly centered and perfectly straight in the press for both skis or people will notice. There’s no hiding with abstract shapes or patterns, especially when you get bindings onto them.

a few brands have straight lines along part of the length of the skis and you can see the minor misallignments in them a bunch.

as someone who has made a pair of skis, this^^^

getting a topsheet perfectly aligned is almost impossible, when we built skis, our teacher told us to make our graphics with about 3mm of wiggle room to still look good, and about 1.5cm of room for the topsheet to still cover the full ski. That way the topsheet had a little room to slide on the epoxy, which is pretty much inevitable.

I bet real ski factories can be a a little more precise, but it would be pretty noticeable if the line was even barely off.

Did the Thall magic J have any error pairs?

 

[CT_CREW]

i’ve heard of him but i don’t know much about him. I’m a little young and got into skiing to late to have known about him back then.

you should watch "Something about McConkey" and a bunch of the OG Match Stick Productions films...

anyways...McConkeys was one of the biggest pioneers of reverse camber, and reverse side cut. To prove his point, he mounted bindings on actual waterskis and rode big lines in AK with them