The rise of single clips / short videos on NS

[dwt802]

So recently, I have noticed that most of the most upvoted and highest engagement videos on Newschoolers have been individuals clips or short edits, (under a minute long). It appears that people’s longer edits aren’t receiving the same attention as these short videos compared to where everyone on here used to love and support actual multi-minute edits. I’ve noticed that some people have posted some crazy edits whether it is in the back country, park, or streets and they don’t seem to get the same love they used to. I even noticed this with my own content, my multi-minute season edit received no views / activity in general where a 9 second clip I posted got a ton. (I’m not saying my edit is amazing or anything, just an observation supporting this view). I’m curious to whether others have noticed this as well or have lost interested in longer edits. Did nateshredz start a revolution with his dope content? Is eheath plotting against us? plenty of questions. NS was the place for beautifully cut longer edits, where Instagram took home the shorter stuff. I’d love to hear some voice on the topic, LMK what you all think.

**This thread was edited on Jul 6th 2020 at 2:01:00pm

 

[Ghost_BLandzV2]

90% of people couldn't be fucked with watching an edit thats 2 mins or more unless its somebody who's name they recognize or it has 50 upvotes. I think part of it might be the fact that its summer time and also that people should upvote longer edits more if they think others should watch it.

As far as 10 second clips go, ill watch 100000 of them from generic skier and nate shredz no problem even tho it probs equates to 3 mins anyways. I dont mind because those videos are 50% meme and 50% being stoked on younger kids sending dope tricks.

I feel like a loser rn tho cuz im always the one that roasts ppl for posting all their corny trap clips on ig and not on NS but I mean shit, they should be posting those clips on here anyways at least lets be honest

 

[tdollo]

Instagram has changed the way content is consumed. You can literally post a clip of the trick you landed 30 seconds ago and share it with the world on IG. I think people have such short attention spans nowadays that they rather see a short clip than watch a full length edit (3-5 minutes). It's a shame really that edits don't get the views they should, look at those film companies that don't make feature length films anymore because you can get more interactions by posting individual clips throughout the season than you get by sitting on clips all season and dropping them all in one vid. Personally not a fan of the whole IG edit vibe but it is what it is I guess. Just my 2cents

 

[dwt802]

90% of people couldn't be fucked with watching an edit thats 2 mins or more unless its somebody who's name they recognize or it has 50 upvotes. I think part of it might be the fact that its summer time and also that people should upvote longer edits more if they think others should watch it.

As far as 10 second clips go, ill watch 100000 of them from generic skier and nate shredz no problem even tho it probs equates to 3 mins anyways. I dont mind because those videos are 50% meme and 50% being stoked on younger kids sending dope tricks.

I feel like a loser rn tho cuz im always the one that roasts ppl for posting all their corny trap clips on ig and not on NS but I mean shit, they should be posting those clips on here anyways at least lets be honest

I think what you said first is the most logical answer, people just can’t be bothered. Me personally, I love watching people’s edits whether they’re fucking filthy at skiing or even just starting out, it’s all sick to me. Also, I have no hate for Nate or thegenericskier, their shit is dope as well. It just seems like those short videos grab all the attention on here and take it away from longer cuts. Luke for example, lukeobrian’s season cut was fucking insane and it only got like 30 upvotes last I saw.

 

[a_burger]

I think part of the reason it's working out right now is that there isn't enough activity on NS right now for people to upload longer edits.

4 years in a row me and my friends would upload a 2-6 minute spring edit or mini movie on our crew account in june/july and they all struggled to reach 10-15 upvotes despite being well edited non iphone/gopro videos, probably because the one or two orange name edits a week coming out of hood would be all anyone bothers to watch that time of year. I'd consider myself a huge ski bum and I can hardly watch even pro videos until like August when I'm stoked to ski again.

So either everyone else making videos figured this out or just didn't have enough footy because of COVID, so Nateshredz and genericskier were basically the only 2 uploading anything for the past month, hence all the videos of the day (all clocking in at like less then 20 upvotes)

**This post was edited on Jul 6th 2020 at 3:02:46pm

 

[a_burger]

also it kinda sucks watching a 20 sec ad for a 15 second clip

 

[mott]

no doubt shorter clips get more attention here, the 10 minute seaz edit i posted got maybe 8 upvotes and the 50 second edit i made got 20 something

 

[fredyferl]

I think that NS is the place for "real" videos, but I have posted single clips and short videos in the past when I was a young man thirsty for likes. Now I would post those videos on IG, but I've always preferred having comments and upvotes on here. I do not really care for most of what is going on in skiing on IG, but that's due to my age. Though it's definitely good that kids post single clips on here, I guess it's how they use the site, and hopefully they can discover NS that way and move on to making longer videos.

It seems like the formula though if you want people to pay attention to your content is to post single clips on insta, get attention/get recognize, and then once people know you post longer edits so they will pay attention, or film a street part, etc. Personally, I've made a conscious decision to move away from social media in the last two year, and I've seen a decline in the amount of views I get when I post an edit. Honestly, I don't really mind, I like filming and making edits, and don't ever film or ski with my phone, but it can play with your head sometime.

On an unrelated note, every time I post a ski clip on IG these days, my follower count goes down lol.

 

[MoneyMakerMike]

I think NS has room for both

Edit: by both I mean short edits and longer edits

**This post was edited on Jul 6th 2020 at 6:28:32pm

 

[chef_boyardee]

I like to watch individual clips if it's something like "first dub" "first backflip" or "first rail slide." It's always nice to see someone stoked on something new that they just learned. However I am not at all interested in watching individual videos of 360s

 

[dwt802]

I think NS has room for both

Edit: by both I mean short edits and longer edits

**This post was edited on Jul 6th 2020 at 6:28:32pm

I agree with this 100%

i just think that recently the short videos / clips have taken away attention from the longer edits, where previously they coexisted, but as discussed that could just be due to the fact that people just don’t want to watch longer edits.

 

[MoneyMakerMike]

I agree with this 100%

i just think that recently the short videos / clips have taken away attention from the longer edits, where previously they coexisted, but as discussed that could just be due to the fact that people just don’t want to watch longer edits.

I think the reason for this is often times shorter edits have better tricks. You’ll notice long edits will blow up if the tricks are super good, but we don’t see long edits with a ton of bangers to often because it’s hard to get a bunch of good clips. It’s a lot easier to get 2 or 3 good clips therefore more views for the shorter edits. Hopefully this made a little bit of sense

 

[Kevski]

Gonna be honest I feel like most of the one trick clips are borderline spam. If we all posted our raw phone clips on NS every day as separate videos it would be an unsortable mess of mediocre tricks you could see from in person at any local park.

I feel like the single unedited clips belong in insta stories that disappear after a day.

Short edits just seem a symptom of Instagram, and kids being overstimulated and distracted too much to be willing to dive in to a more considered edit. I’m cool with these being on NS even though I obviously like longer edits more.

What makes ski videos worth watching is the added creativity of filming and editing. Curating your best shots and creating something better.

 

[dwt802]

I think the reason for this is often times shorter edits have better tricks. You’ll notice long edits will blow up if the tricks are super good, but we don’t see long edits with a ton of bangers to often because it’s hard to get a bunch of good clips. It’s a lot easier to get 2 or 3 good clips therefore more views for the shorter edits. Hopefully this made a little bit of sense

this could very well be a factor like I'm by no means an amazing skier, but I've seen some crazy talented skiers posting cuts on newschoolers over the last 2 months or so have they've received very little attention compared to what they would have gotten a year ago or longer, while at the same time, a single trick uploaded at the same time frame will get just as much activity.

 

[dwt802]

Gonna be honest I feel like most of the one trick clips are borderline spam. If we all posted our raw phone clips on NS every day as separate videos it would be an unsortable mess of mediocre tricks you could see from in person at any local park.

I feel like the single unedited clips belong in insta stories that disappear after a day.

Short edits just seem a symptom of Instagram, and kids being overstimulated and distracted too much to be willing to dive in to a more considered edit. I’m cool with these being on NS even though I obviously like longer edits more.

What makes ski videos worth watching is the added creativity of filming and editing. Curating your best shots and creating something better.

I agree, if everyone posted a single trick, you'd never be able to seek out any content anymore. Slapp, by slvsh, was made for just that, which was sick while it lasted, but the app doesn't seem to work anymore. I'm with you, I just hope that the longer cuts on NS are here to stay and that it doesn't turn into Instagram in another form.

 

[dwt802]

look man, instagram is not the place to watch ur extended clip edit I dont give a rats ass what people are saying its this tiny ass little phone screen I can barely see in the first place and you expect me towathc a whole god damn ski movie on it now I mean what the fuck is instagram tv that shit is utter and complete dog shit straight from the horse's ass instagram used to have a 15 second cap on videos back in my day and those were much sumpler time we need to make Instagram great agin and get rid of these stupid ass fucking tv shows im absolutely livid about this.

I don’t think anyone said that? I’m talking about Newschoolers.

 

[dwt802]

sorry sir I was in a humungous kerfuddle when I posted that comment. my apologies. I am in agreement with yu OP

Word up. I actually agree with most of what you said too, I hardly watch any shit on IG tv unless it’s common knowledge that it’s well worth the watch.

 

[SuspiciousFish]

I think NS needs a better way to present and sort videos. Like have more of a home page for them and be able to sort between pro and AM edits and short insta style clips. Its hard to go to Videos and wade through the steam of random content and some really well put together content just gets buried. Now might be the time to bring Tricktapes back lol

 

[casual]

This is the answer, right here. NS hasn’t changed as much as the whole culture and consumption style has changed. NS is just reflecting that.

5-6 years ago this topic came up a lot with all the old heads (me) up in arms about video (clips) killing the radio (edit) star.

It’s now to the point where there’s not much push back because I think we are all resigned to the new reality of ski content.

As said, if not for a project with Candide, TWall, etc. names attached, most people just aren’t interested in 2 minute plus content.

It’s a shame in a way, but it also has its advantages—mainly that there’s no gate keeping, and no bullshit, “exposure” and notoriety is a lot more egalitarian, and the skiers themselves are free to present their skiing in exactly the way that they choose. Edit: The other reality though is that their appears to be less reward nowadays. I just don’t know if skiing has enough cultural clout/cache for a bunch of people to get paid on the strength of 1mil follower ski accounts.

Over the years I can think of some parts in major movies that felt really subpar and out of place but with sponsorship money and stuff in the equation it was a reality of the game.

That all said, I love full movies, 15-20 minute “mini movies” and classic 3ish minute edits and miss them.

It is pretty damn cool though to pull out your phone and have an endless stream of crazy ski content at your fingertips at all times, and I am a lot more aware of lesser known skiers than I ever was. I just can’t remember or pronounce any of their names because they’re all Scandinavian, lol.

2020: Where you don’t know your favorite skier’s name, but know their IG handle, underscores and all.

Instagram has changed the way content is consumed. You can literally post a clip of the trick you landed 30 seconds ago and share it with the world on IG. I think people have such short attention spans nowadays that they rather see a short clip than watch a full length edit (3-5 minutes). It's a shame really that edits don't get the views they should, look at those film companies that don't make feature length films anymore because you can get more interactions by posting individual clips throughout the season than you get by sitting on clips all season and dropping them all in one vid. Personally not a fan of the whole IG edit vibe but it is what it is I guess. Just my 2cents

**This post was edited on Jul 7th 2020 at 8:29:03pm

 

[casual]

Gonna be honest I feel like most of the one trick clips are borderline spam. If we all posted our raw phone clips on NS every day as separate videos it would be an unsortable mess of mediocre tricks you could see from in person at any local park.

I feel like the single unedited clips belong in insta stories that disappear after a day.

Short edits just seem a symptom of Instagram, and kids being overstimulated and distracted too much to be willing to dive in to a more considered edit. I’m cool with these being on NS even though I obviously like longer edits more.

What makes ski videos worth watching is the added creativity of filming and editing. Curating your best shots and creating something better.

- Old Guy

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[Kevski]

- Old Guy

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Hell yeah dude! We lived THROUGH the golden era we’re so blessed haha

But yeah, old guy or not I still stand by it. Sure it’s more accessible and I can now waste my time in ten second increments, but Insta-era content is decidedly more forgettable. You don’t search for someone’s banger 10-30 second clip for a repeat the next week. You watch, like, send to a homie, and forget about it.

You used to see kids everywhere with borderline professional cameras, gimbals and tripods editing on professional software, and now the standard is shaky phone clips? Where did all that filmmaker hype go?

Just because it’s the way we digest ski content now and we’re all used to it doesn’t mean it’s better. I’ll obviously still get stoked when someone like Siver or Kosk-k posts a story, but in general I think the average quality of content in the ski community has regressed. End of the day NS was designed around quality ski content and Instagram wasn’t.

So goes, things change and maybe the next means of generating/sharing content will be even better.

 

[casual]

Preach, bro. I’m with you. We went from dozens of amateur auteurs passionate about filmmaking to “here bro, take my phone, film in landscape and try and keep me in the frame”.

edit: or is it “film vertically so it works for insta”?

Hell yeah dude! We lived THROUGH the golden era we’re so blessed haha

But yeah, old guy or not I still stand by it. Sure it’s more accessible and I can now waste my time in ten second increments, but Insta-era content is decidedly more forgettable. You don’t search for someone’s banger 10-30 second clip for a repeat the next week. You watch, like, send to a homie, and forget about it.

You used to see kids everywhere with borderline professional cameras, gimbals and tripods editing on professional software, and now the standard is shaky phone clips? Where did all that filmmaker hype go?

Just because it’s the way we digest ski content now and we’re all used to it doesn’t mean it’s better. I’ll obviously still get stoked when someone like Siver or Kosk-k posts a story, but in general I think the average quality of content in the ski community has regressed. End of the day NS was designed around quality ski content and Instagram wasn’t.

So goes, things change and maybe the next means of generating/sharing content will be even better.

**This post was edited on Jul 8th 2020 at 1:55:44pm

 

[eheath]

I think NS needs a better way to present and sort videos. Like have more of a home page for them and be able to sort between pro and AM edits and short insta style clips. Its hard to go to Videos and wade through the steam of random content and some really well put together content just gets buried. Now might be the time to bring Tricktapes back lol

There are like 5-20(usually on the lower side) new videos a day max, it used to be more and it was never a problem in the past TBH people are just lazy now.

 

[dolanslebensraum]

Kids need more ritalin to boost attn span

 

[doomquasar]

Man, I’ve definitely watched some edits that were awesome and I couldn’t believe how few views they had. It’s too bad.

on the other hand, I love the short stuff - sometimes I’m in a place where I can’t watch with sound, and the long videos aren’t the same without music. A 7-second clip on the other hand, hell yeah.

 

[dwt802]

Bump because edits and full-length segments/movies have returned in great amounts