The drug war

Which doc is this. I've probably seen almost all of them. I;m thinking it's called "the drug war" based on your post, prolly seen it.

Why not let people off from serious crimes because the prisons are full of good people busted in shit situations based on our drug laws. The penalties of drugs compared to some real fucking crimes makes me want to fuck some people up, and I'm a non violent person.

Fuck you illinois and other states with your fucked up laws. Fuck this country in terms of it's police state, and that goes for many other countries. This shit is just ridiculous. Lets lock up good kids, yes fucking kids, because they had some weed and party favors on them, lets really fuck up their lives, that'll show them.
 
getting thrown in jail doesn't fuck up your life.

blah blah blah fuck the police. everyone gets so pissy over the drug war. it's already ending. moves are being made. it'll happen. chill...you can smoke weed anyway despite the legality of it really really easily unless you were caught for some reason and are on parole. (unsupervised probation don't mean shit).

if you don't like living in a 'police state' go out to the middle of bumfuck canada/alaska and see if you like it more there instead. count the dead bodies you find floating upstream and compare that to a few kids who "had their lives ruined" by being put in jail for a few days. felonies don't ruin your life. they may make it harder but inner peace and finding your way in the world is still possible. easily. yeah, you might not be able to become president, but who wants that job today? we are in the most free period in all of history and the boundaries are dissolving more and more. be excited, not upset. be proactive, not bitchy. be patient, not angry.
 
The drug war IS A BIG DEAL.... in Mexico, though, not here. The "drug war" on weed is a joke in comparison, however, I do agree it's absolutely ridiculous that we're filling our prisons with weed-smokers and then having to make budget and space cuts and education cuts for the prisoners who actually need it.

If you want the drug war in Mexico to end, though... everyone has to stop doing narcotics!
 
Are you fucking kidding me?

"getting thrown in jail doesn't fuck up your life. " False

"blah blah blah fuck the police. everyone gets so pissy over the drug war. it's already ending. moves are being made. it'll happen. chill...you can smoke weed anyway despite the legality of it really really easily unless you were caught for some reason and are on parole. (unsupervised probation don't mean shit)."

The drug war isn't ending. In some places they are decriminalizing weed to certain extents, but honestly that doesn't make us any closer to legalization. And zomg, did you know that the drug war actually involves other drugs than marijuana? And for some of these the penalties are actually getting worse not better? How the fuck can you say the drug war is already ending. Back to talking about smoking weed. Also the fact that upm's and similar things can still fuck up your life with college aid and shit like that.

"if you don't like living in a 'police state' go out to the middle of bumfuck canada/alaska and see if you like it more there instead. count the dead bodies you find floating upstream and compare that to a few kids who "had their lives ruined" by being put in jail for a few days. felonies don't ruin your life. they may make it harder but inner peace and finding your way in the world is still possible. easily. yeah, you might not be able to become president, but who wants that job today? we are in the most free period in all of history and the boundaries are dissolving more and more. be excited, not upset. be proactive, not bitchy. be patient, not angry."

I really don't even know what the fuck you're trying to say at the start of this. Yeah, felonies are no big deal because they don't murder you right after you get one so it really is a fucking cakewalk, brilliant.

"we are in the most free period in all of history and the boundaries are

dissolving more and more. be excited, not upset. be proactive, not

bitchy. be patient, not angry."

^ Needed to quote this and reply specifically. We are not at the most free period in all history. On some things yes, on many things no. We've been heading into bigger government, police state, more and more control for years.

Be excited for what? Our elections are a joke, we vote complete douche bags into office, the drug war if anything is getting amped up every year not dissolving. I'm as proactive as I can be. I read up on everything, I do my best to help people. Be patient for what? Why shouldn't I be angry? When I see good peoples lives getting fucked up hardcore by our ridiculous policies.

 
IF you just legalize them you'll cut the money out of the equation. Organizations are built up around the money to be made.

If you legalize the drugs, anybody can go and pick up what they need/want on their own. They don't need a cartel murdering people as they sneak ton after ton over the border. The easiest way to get rid of them is to invalidate their whole business.
 
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Perpetual anger towards the situation does nothing to further your cause. Cold logic and reason is the only way to convince those who already have an emotional response against the cause. The cause needs to 'prove itself' and it is doing just that. I'd say give it 10 years. I have had my fair share of trouble with the law, and I was pissed about it for a while. But then I got over it because I realized that everyone who does drugs is faced with the same issues I was. They all understand the ridiculousness of the situation. I agree with your solution but it is an incredibly radical step and the state will simply not listen to that sort of argument if it is presented with baggage attached.

We need people who don't do drugs/participate in the black market to step up and speak. It's hard for the older generations to do this...but we are in a period of incredible social change, I would keep an optimistic attitude. Marijuana is just the first step.

You have the right approach looking at the drug war's fallacies from an economic perspective. That is how we need to present our arguments. Our presidents may be puppets but the cause to end the war on drugs has a rapidly growing support network and has a bigger demographic involved than ever before.

I applaud what you are doing but I would encourage you to try to keep a level head.
 
I realized with you're second short response to el train that we're probably more on the same page than it seemed. Especially with this response.

The power is in the people. Unfortunately there hasn't been much of the people getting together and demanding changes. Everyone has been getting wrapped up in all these useless and sometimes controlled movements. Sort of disheartening and making people less likely to try. We out number the government by a shit ton. I'm not saying we should march on washington and burn it down, but we def have the power and the right to demand change against injustice.

Whatever happened to government of the people, by the people, for the people. The government is here to serve us, not the other way around. When the government is fucking up, as it has been majorly, it is the right and the duty of the people to demand changes and get it back on track. The way the elections have been going isn't helping. People are so spun into rep vs. dem debate that it's almost killed any real progress. IT seems like it will really have to start with the grassroots. Unfortunately all these things like the"we want change" for obama, the "tea party movement" and many other controlled/ spun in the wrong direction movements will make it hard for people to take even the real things seriously. Without either "side" throwing in mass media support any effort would be a pretty difficult battle but def worth it. Why not try to get this country into the place it should be. Not just regarding the drug war or any other small part, but just a free country we can all be seriously proud of.

And also I apologize for coming off sort of dickish in other responses. I've had some shit on my mind.
 
Huge potential problems surround both complete legalization and complete removal of drugs. Neither one is the perfect answer.
 
Here's a pretty interesting write-up I saw a lil while ago:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/05

basically says that the 'war on drugs' as we know it is the entirely wrong way to go about stopping drug use, and that other countries have used other methods to tackle it and it's worked for them.

another reason why Einstein was right in saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. It's obviously not working, in fact, the war on drugs is making crime and drug use rise......good call Nixon!

Didn't read the whole thread so excuse repetition.........
 
13369705:theabortionator said:
http://www.hightimes.com/read/lsd-%E2%80%9Clifer%E2%80%9D-dies-prison-42

Seems pretty reasonable. Fucking backwards society.
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Getting a life sentence for being a non-violent offender is pretty whack. Especially for a conspiracy to distribute charge
 
I find it shocking that Salvia and spice are legal yet, substances like THC and psilocybin of which promotes neurogenesis are illegal and if caught stashing some shrooms you will be taken by men with guns and locked up in a cage.

But it is okay to use synthetics THC substitutes that are owned by Big Pharma.
 
It is also appalling that the drug war and scandals like Obama’s Fast and Furious have lead to in a short six years, 70,000 dead in Mexico, many of these deaths being innocent women and children. That’s more than Vietnam!

In Mexico there is a 90 percent impunity rate in journalist murders, and much of the murderers walk free.

68-70% of the drugs cartels smuggle over the US border is cannabis.

End the drug war, end much of the suffering in Mexico.
 
Also, of those incarcerated in the US 50.1% are drug offenses and 27.6% of that 50.1% being Marijuana related offenses! More than any other drug! The next highest percentage of incarceration is immigration.

WOW, industrial prison complex is fucked
 
13369740:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
It is also appalling that the drug war and scandals like Obama’s Fast and Furious have lead to in a short six years, 70,000 dead in Mexico, many of these deaths being innocent women and children. That’s more than Vietnam!

In Mexico there is a 90 percent impunity rate in journalist murders, and much of the murderers walk free.

68-70% of the drugs cartels smuggle over the US border is cannabis.

End the drug war, end much of the suffering in Mexico.
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It won't end just like that. As long as U.S. citizens continue to sell legal and illegal firearms to the cartels the violence won't stop. In fact, the vast mojority of weapons used by the cartels come from the U.S.
 
13369822:Granite_State said:
It won't end just like that. As long as U.S. citizens continue to sell legal and illegal firearms to the cartels the violence won't stop. In fact, the vast mojority of weapons used by the cartels come from the U.S.
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It is also odd that Eric Holder wanted to take the guns away from law abiding citizens, while he and the Obama administration are running guns to Mexican drug cartels.

Over 250 police officers in the United States and Mexico were killed and everyone involved comes under the "KingPinAct" which covers selling guns to the Narcotic Cartels.

So not only do you have criminals in the US trafficking arms to Mexico but you have your own government doing it as well, which in and of itself is criminal.
 
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