The Definitive Nosebutter Guide

Schoess

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Hello friends,

I am making this guide as a way to share what I have learned over the last many years as an avid nosebutter enthusiast. Nosebutters are super fun and from what I have found, often misunderstood. This will hopefully serve as a way to explain to you how my brain process's nosebutters and some helpful tips to get you up on them tips.

First of all, buttering works best by far with your skis together. Don't even think about separating your legs from eachother the entire time. Your goal is to create 1 virtual "board" that your body leans into and bends, creating a lever action and balance point that you can slide and swing around on, creating the basis of a butter.

Secondly I will say that the ideal feature to learn these on is a firm roller with a decent slope on the landing so that you have time to pop and rotate. You don't need to send it over chads to make it work, but you do need to find a roll over of some sort that will drop away from you and allow you the time to rotate the trick properly. Also keep in mind that the sidecut and profile of your ski will greatly affect how big of a turn you have to make during the S carve and therefore will affect how you swing around and pop once on your noses. I bring this up because buttering on one ski to another is relatively different and requires some adjustment. The actual flex of your skis is not nearly as important as you think. Yes if you are on some GS Race skis, you're not going to have very much fun trying these but most modern park or all mountain freeride type skis are soft enough to butter with proper technique. The camber profile will help you a lot in this case. Example being, ON3P's are not soft but the rocker profile lets you roll up onto the tips and do the trick really well.

Next, you want to make an S carve into the butter, so the first part of the S is an unnatty carve into the second part which is the initiation of the butter as you begin to lean into the ski firmly and swing your upper body into the butter. You should feel your skis loading up in the noses and begin to flex under your weight. The more comfortable you get, the more you will be able to begin the press and hold it still riding forward. This is the ideal way to do it in my opinion. It looks cool and gives you control on when to swing around and pop. It shows control and also lets you initiate the trick before you are at a critical point of do or die if approaching a jump, roller or drop.

Keep in mind that a nosebutter is a lot about commitment. You have to throw your weight around and stay forward pressing into the trick in order to make everything work properly. On top of that, you need to carry a decent speed into the butter itself. I would try and think of how fast you wild hit a small DFD if you were gapping to the last down. You see a lot of "nosebutterish" type butters because many people half ass some part of what I'm talking about (or the jump is 100 feet and it's just insane regardless) or aren't fully committed to the nosebutter. Learn them on snow before trying to take them to rails, as the ability to aim and time them correctly takes more finesse than just doing the trick on open snow.

With every butter, now matter how big or small of a spin, the pop happens at 180. Your goal is to confidently swing into a 180 and pop going switch right at 180. The easiest way to pop is to think about swiping your skis back at 180 like backscratcher style and turning your head/shoulders to lead the spin (like any spinning trick). You won't actually fully be able to have your skis go that far back, but if you think of it that way, you should pop correctly and feel what I am trying to say here. Nosebutter 540's work the best as far as intended physics of this trick. Trying to hold it at 360 doesn't work as fluidly (assuming this is off a knuckle) and I would recommend you start trying to do the 540 because it will force you to turn your head and shoulders and feel how the trick wants to work.

Lastly, the thing I never hear people talk about is speed. Going faster will make buttering easier. There are way more forces at work when you are skiing at speed than you on flat trying to bend your skis. They will flex more, your trick will work better and you have a much better chance of landing properly with some speed behind you. You don't need to break any land speed records, but I cannot stress this enough. It's the number 1 mistake I see people make when attempting butters.

I have linked a slow mo video example for you to study based on what I have written here. Please let me know if there is anything I can add to make this better or if there any questions I can answer. Thanks and enjoy!

 
Not sure why I can't currently edit the thread, but as far as boots go...

Boots are almost more important than the skis themselves. 4 buckle design is superior here usually but as long as it fits you and you don't have heel lift, you are golden. Heel lift will negate all of the forward pressure you're applying and prevent you from buttering. Bootfitting in itself is an entire industry so I won't get into that here, but know how important it is here. The flex of the boot also matters, but only in relation to the stiffness of your skis and your weight. SO I weigh 230 and half ON3P's which aren't soft so I need a pretty stiff boot to compensate for that and help me press/flex the skis.
 
It's this kind of content that keeps me coming back to NS. Thanks for the detailed write up, very cool of you to take the time.
 
Also when you're first learning, dragging your inside hand to initiate the spin can help. I find myself getting more corked doing it like that too, but it might not look as nice
 
14423451:BLandz said:
Hopefully now people stop doing revert butters, I can’t stand that shit

Agree but I don't mind it as much for a NB 2on cuz that's still a hard trick regardless if u don't do a proper butter
 
14423601:Schoess said:
Whoops I accidently did the sac religious thing and said 4 buckle are superior...

Not sacrilegious, religious. It's truth. Or in other words, you have faith in four buckle over the Flexon desigin.

The Flexon design has its place, but there is a time and place for each design.
 
Great post. I think I figured out why I can’t get myself to do that full 180 pop. Question: what underfoot is best for buttering roughly?
 
I agree. My touring boots are a 3 piece design and I do really like them but even at their tightest, they don't hold me down and in like a 4 buckle will. Different tools for different jobs I guess haha.

14423615:DominatorJacques said:
Not sacrilegious, religious. It's truth. Or in other words, you have faith in four buckle over the Flexon desigin.

The Flexon design has its place, but there is a time and place for each design.
 
Waist width doesn't really matter. My 108's were one of the funniest skis ever to butter but so were my old 96's. The sidecut and rocker profile makes the most different in the feel in my experience

14423624:snowmonk said:
Great post. I think I figured out why I can’t get myself to do that full 180 pop. Question: what underfoot is best for buttering roughly?
 
As many times I’ve read and watched things how to nosebutter, I’ll never be able to properly do them
 
LOL yeah take advice from a fat fuck that hasn't hit a jump in half a decade.

You trying out to be a FIS certified coach? LOL
 
Ok grandpa, haha let's get you to bed. :)

14423679:skierman said:
LOL yeah take advice from a fat fuck that hasn't hit a jump in half a decade.

You trying out to be a FIS certified coach? LOL
 
14423704:Schoess said:
Ok grandpa, haha let's get you to bed. :)

Damn, it must suck to know "grandpa" shreds harder than your lard ass. I wonder how many times you use age as an excuse to ski like a pussy.
 
Haha your legs must be exhausted from jumping to all these conclusions

14423710:skierman said:
Damn, it must suck to know "grandpa" shreds harder than your lard ass. I wonder how many times you use age as an excuse to ski like a pussy.
 
14423714:Schoess said:
Haha your legs must be exhausted from jumping to all these conclusions

Haha your legs must be exhausted from carrying around that huge ego and 40% BMI.
 
Ironic you talk about ego. I'd love to see some of your footage :)

14423716:skierman said:
Haha your legs must be exhausted from carrying around that huge ego and 40% BMI.
 
14423723:Schoess said:
Ironic you talk about ego. I'd love to see some of your footage :)

Sorry, too busy skiing. It must suck to live in a world where you cannot lap a park because you have to stop and film everything for social media. Fucking pathetic.
 
14423758:skierman said:
Sorry, too busy skiing. It must suck to live in a world where you cannot lap a park because you have to stop and film everything for social media. Fucking pathetic.

skierman say phone bad book good
 
Haha classic keyboard skier.

14423758:skierman said:
Sorry, too busy skiing. It must suck to live in a world where you cannot lap a park because you have to stop and film everything for social media. Fucking pathetic.
 
14423775:Schoess said:
Haha classic keyboard skier.

Yeah man because if its not on insta, it never happened right?

Maybe if you spent less time on socials, you wouldn't be such a fat piece of shit and you could hit jumps again!
 
"I'm better than you at skiing but refuse to provide any proof" hahahahaha

14423779:skierman said:
Yeah man because if its not on insta, it never happened right?

Maybe if you spent less time on socials, you wouldn't be such a fat piece of shit and you could hit jumps again!
 
14423813:Schoess said:
"I'm better than you at skiing but refuse to provide any proof" hahahahaha

Its hilarious because you think I should feel the need to prove myself to some rando fat fuck who can't hit jumps.

LOLOLOLOL

Seriously dude, lose some weight. Its just getting sad.
 
It's easy to talk haha

14423826:skierman said:
Its hilarious because you think I should feel the need to prove myself to some rando fat fuck who can't hit jumps.

LOLOLOLOL

Seriously dude, lose some weight. Its just getting sad.
 
My biggest tip is that you have to "roll up" onto your skis. When I was first learning all I would do was lean forward and hope that I could find the right amount of pressure. It's more of a finnesee than that where you pull your skis backwards
 
That's a good point for sure. It's all about the finesse

14423833:ToddlerBodyBag said:
My biggest tip is that you have to "roll up" onto your skis. When I was first learning all I would do was lean forward and hope that I could find the right amount of pressure. It's more of a finnesee than that where you pull your skis backwards
 
Excellent writeup man. The only thing I would add is a good way to get comfortable being up on your tips for a nose butter is to find an easy slope and ski switch and roll up onto your tips to get a feel for how your boots and skis are going to react. This will help you when you finally commit to throwing a rotation with it over a knoll.

Also its funny as shit to grab your tips and look under your legs bombing a groomer.
 
Haha yeah that's definitely a strat. Also that sounds really fun haha I gotta try that

14423899:SuspiciousFish said:
Excellent writeup man. The only thing I would add is a good way to get comfortable being up on your tips for a nose butter is to find an easy slope and ski switch and roll up onto your tips to get a feel for how your boots and skis are going to react. This will help you when you finally commit to throwing a rotation with it over a knoll.

Also its funny as shit to grab your tips and look under your legs bombing a groomer.
 
14423984:Schoess said:
Haha yeah that's definitely a strat. Also that sounds really fun haha I gotta try that

Yeah man, you should really try a diet... any kind of diet. I still cannot believe some douche who cant hit jumps is trying to give trick advice. ?????????
 
Hush child. No footage, no conversation.

14424043:skierman said:
Yeah man, you should really try a diet... any kind of diet. I still cannot believe some douche who cant hit jumps is trying to give trick advice. ?????????
 
14424044:Schoess said:
Hush child. No footage, no conversation.

"DURRRRRRRR NO CONVERSATION WHICH IS WHY I KEEP REPLYING TO YOU! WHERE FOOTAGE!? NO SEE, NO HAPPEN DURRRRRRRRRRPPP"

Bruh, that 40% BMI is eating up your brain quick. Get that shit in check. I can't wait to get your next tips on hitting urban when you can barely slide a park rail ???????
 
Quiet. Footage or get fucked.

14424045:skierman said:
"DURRRRRRRR NO CONVERSATION WHICH IS WHY I KEEP REPLYING TO YOU! WHERE FOOTAGE!? NO SEE, NO HAPPEN DURRRRRRRRRRPPP"

Bruh, that 40% BMI is eating up your brain quick. Get that shit in check. I can't wait to get your next tips on hitting urban when you can barely slide a park rail ???????
 
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