Terrorist Killing In America...Gets No attention.

Also, the same murderer killed two gay men out in Seattle just for the sake of killing them. He was wanted for quite some time while he fled to NJ and lived in the woods. Fucked up
 
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Michael Ferguson
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You dun goofed.

This doesn't scare me, crazy shit like unprovoked murders happen frequently in our country, the fact that the motive was jihadist just means that someone let terrible influences take hold of their self control. I would be more concerned if this was widespread, if and organization like ISIS was communicating to large groups across large areas to organize a mass killing spree.

Living in Minneapolis- which holds the largest Somali migrant population in the United States. I've come to know that murders of religious/racial motives are rare, but nothing new. Keep in mind that the extremist islamic organizations like ISIS preach a message that is irrational insanity, and that the only people who buy into it are irrationally insane or desperate to find a purpose for themselves.
 
13136777:john18061806 said:
You dun goofed.

This doesn't scare me, crazy shit like unprovoked murders happen frequently in our country, the fact that the motive was jihadist just means that someone let terrible influences take hold of their self control. I would be more concerned if this was widespread, if and organization like ISIS was communicating to large groups across large areas to organize a mass killing spree.

Living in Minneapolis- which holds the largest Somali migrant population in the United States. I've come to know that murders of religious/racial motives are rare, but nothing new. Keep in mind that the extremist islamic organizations like ISIS preach a message that is irrational insanity, and that the only people who buy into it are irrationally insane or desperate to find a purpose for themselves.
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holy shit, I did say "Michael Ferguson" haha.

I hear what you're saying though and I agree.

Half of me still wonders if maybe he's just pulling the whole "I'm a terrorist" thing to glorify himself and what he did. He doesn't seem entirely legitimate as a terrorist, but who knows...
 
13136819:gerbear said:
Dude, that was hilarious! Had no idea that forum dwellers like you still exist and try to be funny out there...Keep doin what you're doin, homie!
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are you having problets OP?
 
I think you have a serious misunderstanding of threats within the U.S.

First, the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson (I'm guessing thats what you were referring to) was outrageous because the cops killed an unarmed teenager. Cops are supposed to be held to a higher standard since we pay them and give them guns.

Second, Treyvon Martin got media attention because it was once again someone who was a member of a somewhat authoritarian organization, neighborhood watch. Also, it was another example of an innocent black person being targeted and 99% of the time when a black person is killed in the U.S. it doesn't make any news source (especially in areas like LA).

Third, This attack was originally supposed to be a street robbery and then escalated. It wasn't as targeted of an attack as either of the other two and it wasn't perpetrated by someone who is an authority figure. The other two murders were a rallying cry for a drastic shift in thought within the U.S. since to this day the majority of the U.S. is racist to some extent even if it is overt racism. There is not an overwhelming belief in the U.S. that we should kill white teenagers because of the war in iraq

The fact that you are scared by this is shocking. There are 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and about 225,000,000 are white. The chance of this type of attack happening to you are slim.
 
13136875:SamtheEagle said:
I think you have a serious misunderstanding of threats within the U.S.

First, the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson (I'm guessing thats what you were referring to) was outrageous because the cops killed an unarmed teenager. Cops are supposed to be held to a higher standard since we pay them and give them guns.

Second, Treyvon Martin got media attention because it was once again someone who was a member of a somewhat authoritarian organization, neighborhood watch. Also, it was another example of an innocent black person being targeted and 99% of the time when a black person is killed in the U.S. it doesn't make any news source (especially in areas like LA).

Third, This attack was originally supposed to be a street robbery and then escalated. It wasn't as targeted of an attack as either of the other two and it wasn't perpetrated by someone who is an authority figure. The other two murders were a rallying cry for a drastic shift in thought within the U.S. since to this day the majority of the U.S. is racist to some extent even if it is overt racism. There is not an overwhelming belief in the U.S. that we should kill white teenagers because of the war in iraq

The fact that you are scared by this is shocking. There are 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and about 225,000,000 are white. The chance of this type of attack happening to you are slim.
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I'm not scared of being attacked personally or any shit like that. I'm scared for our country in general and the way the media feeds our minds with whatever they see fit. Sorry for the confusion.
 
There is a man on the run who hunted 2 troopers during a late night shift change killing one and injuring the other. I live an hour away and hardly hear shit about it. It's sad. I'm not saying the news needs to cover this 24/7 but this guy is a real threat to society right now. His 28-year army veteran dad trained him to shoot and says he doesn't miss.

Also, I read how some agency busted a new terrorist from Rochester, NY who went overseas to train and came back. That is going to be the new threat in this country. So can people finally drop that the NSA or whoever hasn't caught any terrorist. Boom, it's going down.

I'll trade legalization of all drugs and more help to the poor in this country in exchange that the agencies continue to monitor shit like domestic terrorism and keep us safe. And stop dropping bombs on Iraq. /rant
 
Well, if it makes you feel any better, Congress is trying to pass legislation revoking US citizenship for anyone who may have been in Syria or Iraq helping ISIS.

But the fact that the media selectively broadcasts information really should not be a shock to anybody. Its a for-profit business, what will draw viewers, a black on white crime or a white on black crime?
 
13137019:theabortionator said:
OMG TERRORISTS ARE EVERYWHERE WERE ALL GONNA DIE OMG HYPE HYPE HYPE SO SCARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Statistically, I'm more afraid of vending machines, and the moving of furniture in my house.
 
13137019:theabortionator said:
OMG TERRORISTS ARE EVERYWHERE WERE ALL GONNA DIE OMG HYPE HYPE HYPE SO SCARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Statistically, I'm more afraid of vending machines, and the moving of furniture in my house.
 
13137051:-benedetto said:
There is a man on the run who hunted 2 troopers during a late night shift change killing one and injuring the other. I live an hour away and hardly hear shit about it. It's sad. I'm not saying the news needs to cover this 24/7 but this guy is a real threat to society right now. His 28-year army veteran dad trained him to shoot and says he doesn't miss.

Also, I read how some agency busted a new terrorist from Rochester, NY who went overseas to train and came back. That is going to be the new threat in this country. So can people finally drop that the NSA or whoever hasn't caught any terrorist. Boom, it's going down.

I'll trade legalization of all drugs and more help to the poor in this country in exchange that the agencies continue to monitor shit like domestic terrorism and keep us safe. And stop dropping bombs on Iraq. /rant
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ah, the nsa did such a great job monitoring that a man was able to murder 1 law enforcement officer and injure another....and then they continued their stellar monitoring job by allowing this "real threat to society" to escape and go missing? sounds competent and necessary.

it's possible that the 'real threat' of your country has nothing to do with a "jihadi" terrorist...if that was the case then wouldn't your gov. be preparing for something like that, rather than claiming ownership of all land and agriculture and stocking up agencies with high-powered weapons, bulletproof technology(even agency responsible for determining if a food is organic or not...) to prepare for something else? why purchase hundreds of thousands of hazmat suits if the 'real threat' was going to be a suicidal jihadi man. maybe the threat is something else?
 
The liberal media loves race murders because it sparks massive controversy and therefore leads to higher ratings. Political correctness in America is way out of control. I make it a point to say things that piss people off about political correction. The other day someone freaked out on me because referring to asia as the 'orient' apparently is massively racist? Who knew.
 
13137184:Food_Stamps said:
ah, the nsa did such a great job monitoring that a man was able to murder 1 law enforcement officer and injure another....and then they continued their stellar monitoring job by allowing this "real threat to society" to escape and go missing? sounds competent and necessary.

it's possible that the 'real threat' of your country has nothing to do with a "jihadi" terrorist...if that was the case then wouldn't your gov. be preparing for something like that, rather than claiming ownership of all land and agriculture and stocking up agencies with high-powered weapons, bulletproof technology(even agency responsible for determining if a food is organic or not...) to prepare for something else? why purchase hundreds of thousands of hazmat suits if the 'real threat' was going to be a suicidal jihadi man. maybe the threat is something else?
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How could the NSA have prevented the guy who shot the troopers if he was a normal American that didn't have his plan out in the open or on the internet or didn't co-conspire. However, if they can track people who go over there for training or monitor jihad recruiting sites, that's a different story all together.
 
13137198:-benedetto said:
How could the NSA have prevented the guy who shot the troopers if he was a normal American that didn't have his plan out in the open or on the internet or didn't co-conspire. However, if they can track people who go over there for training or monitor jihad recruiting sites, that's a different story all together.
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then why did you say that the murderer was a "real threat to society"? simply monitoring a jihadi website would not involve violating the rights of every person in the country...
 
it doesn't fit the agenda of "news media outlets" in this country. if its not going to generate ratings, its not going to make money.
 
13137257:DeebieSkeebies said:
it doesn't fit the agenda of "news media outlets" in this country. if its not going to generate ratings, its not going to make money.
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this.

OP I heard about this yesterday morning on NPR...what more do you want?
 
13137198:-benedetto said:
However, if they can track people who go over there for training or monitor jihad recruiting sites, that's a different story all together.
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Personally, I don't understand why our government allows unrestricted (I'm guessing here) travel to the middle east. With all of the information we're getting of crazies going over there and training with ISIS then potentially staying with them or coming back to this country, we should have serious restrictions on travel to the middle east. You should have to be able to prove a legitimate reason for going over there, like you work for an oil company and your job requires the travel. Simply having family in the middle east or wanting to go there for whatever reason should not be justifiable anymore to travel there.

I'm sure people will be up in arms about this post that it's restricting freedoms or whatever, but I really don't care. I don't feel that the ability to travel or not travel to the middle east limits my freedom. I have no desire to travel to that hell hole anyway.
 
13137216:Food_Stamps said:
then why did you say that the murderer was a "real threat to society"? simply monitoring a jihadi website would not involve violating the rights of every person in the country...
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He's a threat now to society..

13137380:Funkadelic said:
Personally, I don't understand why our government allows unrestricted (I'm guessing here) travel to the middle east. With all of the information we're getting of crazies going over there and training with ISIS then potentially staying with them or coming back to this country, we should have serious restrictions on travel to the middle east. You should have to be able to prove a legitimate reason for going over there, like you work for an oil company and your job requires the travel. Simply having family in the middle east or wanting to go there for whatever reason should not be justifiable anymore to travel there.

I'm sure people will be up in arms about this post that it's restricting freedoms or whatever, but I really don't care. I don't feel that the ability to travel or not travel to the middle east limits my freedom. I have no desire to travel to that hell hole anyway.
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Jewish folk all visit Israel and Muslims visit some other holy land. Can't really restrict that. So a recruit could just do that then escape to Israel or whatever. I could be taking it a bit to far. But also they do monitor those travels heavily. You're certainly flagged when you fly out there.
 
13137399:-benedetto said:
Jewish folk all visit Israel and Muslims visit some other holy land. Can't really restrict that. So a recruit could just do that then escape to Israel or whatever. I could be taking it a bit to far. But also they do monitor those travels heavily. You're certainly flagged when you fly out there.
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Right, I was more talking about traveling to places like Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. I don't think Muslims travel anywhere for holy visits besides Jerusalem, just like Jews and Christians. I could be completely wrong though. I'm sure people are monitored who travel over there, but not enough in my opinion. We still have people like this kid slipping through the cracks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/us/suicide-bomber-from-us-came-home-before-attack.html
 
13137447:Barefootin_Fiend said:
nothing tyrannical about that at all.....
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Maybe, but I mean stories continue to surface of westerners going over there to train with ISIS. With all of these people going over to join I'm sure it's only a matter of time until these 100 or so Americans and 500 or so British and countless other westerners have orchestrated some kind of domestic terrorist act.

Saying people can't visit their families is a little over the top, I'll admit, but I definitely think more strict measures need to be taken on travel to places like Syria. I mean the kid I posted in my previous post went to Syria, posted Islamic extremist ideas all over social media, came back to America, then went back to Syria as a suicide bomber. He went to Syria and posted his extremist views on social media and that flew under the radar of the U.S. government. If our government is going to restrict my liberties at the level they are with all of this wire-tapping crap they could at least get it right with these crazies.
 
The problem is not tracking those who fly into Syria or Iraq, but rather those that fly into Turkey. Turkey has hundreds of miles of unsecured borders against Syria and the Turkish government has done nothing to stem the flow of ISIS members in and out of their borders.
 
13137662:Food_Stamps said:
lol! mecca???
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And Saudi Arabia... still not included in the list of hot spot countries I included. Your attempt to make me look like an idiot misses the point entirely...

Masshole does make a good point about Turkey though that I overlooked.
 
13137682:Funkadelic said:
And Saudi Arabia... still not included in the list of hot spot countries I included. Your attempt to make me look like an idiot misses the point entirely...

Masshole does make a good point about Turkey though that I overlooked.
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" I don't think Muslims travel anywhere for holy visits besides Jerusalem, just like Jews and Christians. I could be completely wrong though. I'm sure people are monitored who travel over there, but not enough in my opinion. We still have people like this kid slipping through the cracks:"

there's the full quote, the only place you included in your "list of hot spot countries" was Jerusalem.....which is not a country...

fyi mecca is in Saudi Arabia lol.....
 
13137051:-benedetto said:
I'll trade legalization of all drugs and more help to the poor in this country in exchange that the agencies continue to monitor shit like domestic terrorism and keep us safe. And stop dropping bombs on Iraq. /rant
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We're pretty fucking safe. Thinking that this poses a real threat to you is like assuming you're going to get eaten by a shark every time you go swimming in the ocean. It happens but it's not at all likely. Also the terrorist label is pretty much just used as a fucking hype wagon. Bad shit has been happening here and obviously around the world forever. Now we just call everything terrorism, put the terror alert at purple, and hype he shit out of it on the news.

Also domestic terrorism is a pretty broad term in regards to what they're monitoring. We got this lovely word "terrorism", it isn't really defined and everyone shits their pants when you say it. It's a perfect tool for the government to get what ever they want. All they need to say is "because terrorism" and everyone's like okay okay.

When talking about safety, think about all the freedoms you lost in the name of safety from terrorism. Supposedly the terrorists hated us because we were "too free" but I didn't see a bunch of dudes from the middle east passing all that legislation.

Inb4 a shit ton of hate comes my way now. Oh well
 
13137380:Funkadelic said:
Personally, I don't understand why our government allows unrestricted (I'm guessing here) travel to the middle east. With all of the information we're getting of crazies going over there and training with ISIS then potentially staying with them or coming back to this country, we should have serious restrictions on travel to the middle east. You should have to be able to prove a legitimate reason for going over there, like you work for an oil company and your job requires the travel. Simply having family in the middle east or wanting to go there for whatever reason should not be justifiable anymore to travel there.

I'm sure people will be up in arms about this post that it's restricting freedoms or whatever, but I really don't care. I don't feel that the ability to travel or not travel to the middle east limits my freedom. I have no desire to travel to that hell hole anyway.
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Visiting family shouldn't be allowed but working in the oil business should? LOL? Fuck your family, you can't go see them but if you want to go there to work in oil we like oil so go for it. And nobody gives a fuck if you want to travel there or not. Don't be such a douche. "I don't want to go to the middle east so nobody should be able to".

Come on man.
 
13137771:theabortionator said:
We're pretty fucking safe. Thinking that this poses a real threat to you is like assuming you're going to get eaten by a shark every time you go swimming in the ocean. It happens but it's not at all likely. Also the terrorist label is pretty much just used as a fucking hype wagon. Bad shit has been happening here and obviously around the world forever. Now we just call everything terrorism, put the terror alert at purple, and hype he shit out of it on the news.

Also domestic terrorism is a pretty broad term in regards to what they're monitoring. We got this lovely word "terrorism", it isn't really defined and everyone shits their pants when you say it. It's a perfect tool for the government to get what ever they want. All they need to say is "because terrorism" and everyone's like okay okay.

When talking about safety, think about all the freedoms you lost in the name of safety from terrorism. Supposedly the terrorists hated us because we were "too free" but I didn't see a bunch of dudes from the middle east passing all that legislation.

Inb4 a shit ton of hate comes my way now. Oh well
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No hate. I agree 100%.

"Terrorists" have killed well under 100 US civilians, since 911. More civilians die everyday commuting. The whole "Terrorists are going to get us" thing is just a load of horse crap.
 
13137187:KravtZ said:
. The other day someone freaked out on me because referring to asia as the 'orient' apparently is massively racist? Who knew.
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Most people knew. That hasn't been okay for like 40 years. My grandfather who still refers to black people as 'colored' doesn't even say 'orient' anymore
 
13138041:-benedetto said:
I agree that we're safe. But, it could happen.

check out what's going on in Australia. It's a cnn link but oh well, http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/17/world/asia/australia-terror-arrests/

i'm not saying we should all hide inside and be afraid but the government must be doing something right domestically. As far as foreign affairs, we need to rethink that but that's for another thread.
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Anything can happen. I could walk outside and get struck by a bolt of lightning, get killed by sasquatch while hiking in the woods etc.

Implying that the only reason we aren't all dead is that we have no freedoms and our government is doing what it's doing = insanity.

This whole terrorism thing has gone to everyone's heads. So many things in your life pose a massively greater risk. Terrorism shouldn't even be on your list of things to fear, or at least down near the bottom. The news just likes to hype everything up.

Just going out on a limb here and saying if we actually had some freedoms, and our government wasn't shady and out of control, we still would be safe. Is the TSA and all the ridiculous over the top security the only reason why we can fly safely? Not really. You don't have to get a cavity search to get on a school bus yet those are pretty damn safe. Same with the cross country ones.

That fact that we haven't all died from terrorism is because the "imminent threat" is mostly just hype, not because the government is spying on everyone, flying is hassle, and we lost a bunch of freedoms.

But believe what you want and feel free to credit whoever you want with still being alive. I'd rather credit jebus with my safety.

/$.02
 
13138066:theabortionator said:
Anything can happen. I could walk outside and get struck by a bolt of lightning, get killed by sasquatch while hiking in the woods etc.

Implying that the only reason we aren't all dead is that we have no freedoms and our government is doing what it's doing = insanity.

This whole terrorism thing has gone to everyone's heads. So many things in your life pose a massively greater risk. Terrorism shouldn't even be on your list of things to fear, or at least down near the bottom. The news just likes to hype everything up.

Just going out on a limb here and saying if we actually had some freedoms, and our government wasn't shady and out of control, we still would be safe. Is the TSA and all the ridiculous over the top security the only reason why we can fly safely? Not really. You don't have to get a cavity search to get on a school bus yet those are pretty damn safe. Same with the cross country ones.

That fact that we haven't all died from terrorism is because the "imminent threat" is mostly just hype, not because the government is spying on everyone, flying is hassle, and we lost a bunch of freedoms.

But believe what you want and feel free to credit whoever you want with still being alive. I'd rather credit jebus with my safety.

/$.02
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I'm not crediting the government with my ability to be alive everyday but I'm starting to cut them a tiny bit of slack. I don't fully trust them though. Hell, I don't even vote! I'm also again hem taking anymore civil liberties or spying on us more. Maybe I really don't know what I believe. I do know one thing, our foreign affairs is fucked.
 
13138432:-benedetto said:
I'm not crediting the government with my ability to be alive everyday but I'm starting to cut them a tiny bit of slack. I don't fully trust them though. Hell, I don't even vote! I'm also again hem taking anymore civil liberties or spying on us more. Maybe I really don't know what I believe. I do know one thing, our foreign affairs is fucked.
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You don't vote?

If you don't speak you opinion when it counts, you lose your right to speak of it anywhere else.
 
13137785:theabortionator said:
Visiting family shouldn't be allowed but working in the oil business should? LOL? Fuck your family, you can't go see them but if you want to go there to work in oil we like oil so go for it. And nobody gives a fuck if you want to travel there or not. Don't be such a douche. "I don't want to go to the middle east so nobody should be able to".

Come on man.
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13137587:Funkadelic said:
Saying people can't visit their families is a little over the top, I'll admit, but I definitely think more strict measures need to be taken on travel to places like Syria. I mean the kid I posted in my previous post went to Syria, posted Islamic extremist ideas all over social media, came back to America, then went back to Syria as a suicide bomber. He went to Syria and posted his extremist views on social media and that flew under the radar of the U.S. government. If our government is going to restrict my liberties at the level they are with all of this wire-tapping crap they could at least get it right with these crazies.
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I mean Al Qaeda receives half of its funding from kidnapping westerners and ransoming their home countries. The U.S. doesn't pay ransoms, but countries like France and Italy provide large amounts (tens of millions) of money annually to terrorist organizations. Shouldn't access to these countries be restricted for this reason alone? Or at least find a way to stop these countries from paying ransoms -- go to these places at your own risk. It's usually idiots that want to hike through the Sahara in Algeria...

The whole oil thing I completely agree with, but the reality is that at this very moment the U.S. gets something like 8% of its oil from the middle east. That's a lot of oil. Obviously people will need to travel back and forth to the middle east for these purposes at this moment in time. My statement wasn't a big fuck you to everyone but oil companies wanting to travel there, it was just one example of people that currently need to travel there for legitimate reasons. If it were up to me our country would be powered almost entirely by solar, wind, and tidal turbines with oil only being used as a lubricant for cars and other smaller necessities. But the reality is that we (right now) get a large amount of oil from the middle east, so at this time people need to travel there for that reason.

As far as your comments above about TSA... I was one of the most outspoken people against new TSA regulations. But I fly a lot and it's really not that bad. Most of the time I get thrown into the line where I don't even have to take my shoes off or take my computer out of my bag, and am in and out of security in 5 minutes. I was stopped for the "total check" one time and all the guy did was pull me aside, told me I was randomly selected, and opened my bag, looked in, and closed it and sent me on my way. I got selected for a total check in New Zealand and the guy actually removed each individual item from my bag, patted me down, and wanded me -- far more invasive. In the U.S. the TSA (save maybe a couple of power hungry individuals... a very small percentage) really don't give a shit. If you smile and are nice to them and don't make their day a hassle, they won't make your day a hassle. It's the people that get selected for a random check and start making a scene going "MY RIGHTS MY RIGHTS" that end up in the news. If you just smile and say "ok sounds good" it will take less than a minute.
 
13137216:Food_Stamps said:
then why did you say that the murderer was a "real threat to society"?
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That PA cop killer is a threat because they do not have any idea where he is or what he is planning... Not much anybody can do besides be aware of the threat. Who knows what the fuck he is planning. Should it change your day? no. But if you live close to there I would be aware of the threat.

13138486:AT-AT said:
You don't vote?

If you don't speak you opinion when it counts, you lose your right to speak of it anywhere else.
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When it comes to voting for the president, it does not matter. Look at all the bullshit that went down with Florida when George W bush became president. Also, tons of people vote based on their political party, not what they actually believe. Meanwhile, these special interest groups are monetarily supporting both sides of the debate!!! If somebody voted for Obama in 2008 and wanted change, well the change they were looking for did not matter. So, who the fuck cares if you actually vote???? Then, the news portrays it like every presidental race is close to boost media ratings. Not to mention they act like there are only two sides to vote for. So why the fuck vote???????????? And you end your comment with the most sheeple comment I have ever heard. Keep thinking your vote counts or that is going to change anything :)

In NY, who the fuck votes for Cuomo?! Not me, but he is going to win again. $$$$$$$$$$ means more than my vote.
 
13138627:louie.mirags said:
When it comes to voting for the president, it does not matter. Look at all the bullshit that went down with Florida when George W bush became president. Also, tons of people vote based on their political party, not what they actually believe. Meanwhile, these special interest groups are monetarily supporting both sides of the debate!!! If somebody voted for Obama in 2008 and wanted change, well the change they were looking for did not matter. So, who the fuck cares if you actually vote???? Then, the news portrays it like every presidental race is close to boost media ratings. Not to mention they act like there are only two sides to vote for. So why the fuck vote???????????? And you end your comment with the most sheeple comment I have ever heard. Keep thinking your vote counts or that is going to change anything :)

In NY, who the fuck votes for Cuomo?! Not me, but he is going to win again. $$$$$$$$$$ means more than my vote.
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I know :-/

but at least I make the effort and go vote every time. It really is one of the few things you can do, even if it never seems to change anything.

And f*ck Cuomo and his bullshit. He undermines the whole system and gets all his votes from the city. The rest of the state wants his blood.
 
13137380:Funkadelic said:
I'm sure people will be up in arms about this post that it's restricting freedoms or whatever, but I really don't care. I don't feel that the ability to travel or not travel to the middle east limits my freedom. I have no desire to travel to that hell hole anyway.
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People like you are a far greater threat to this country than any terrorist organization.
 
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