Switzerland for a year

FuckAllOfYou

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So I need some advice. There's a possibility I can spend a year abroad, most likely in Switzerland or Chile. If I want to go, I have to decide this week. There is the chance I wouldn't be able to ski or bike for a year, which would kill me, like seriously.

Anyone done anything like this? thanks
 
I don't understand. Switzerland or Chile = no skiing? I would absolutely choose Switzerland though. Chile is sweet but I much prefer Europe.
 
if you go during the northern hemispheres summer its winter in Chile... and theres tons of skiing there i don't know what your talking about? im gonna go to Chile one summer to ski, and theres sass in Argentina. both have skiing and biking so ya, chile would be way cheaper to buy stuff but Switzerland is pretty sick too.
 
I'm sort of doing this. I moved to Switzerland for the summer. 5 months in total. It's lovely.

A few things to note:

The cost of living here is low, about the same or less than it was in Los Angeles. So depending on where you live, it may not be that bad. This goes for grocery store food, rent, utilities, and non brand clothing.

The cost of entertainment here is ridiculously expensive. A cheap meal eating out is around $20. Even Burger King is $13 for a cheaper meal.

Drinking is expensive. They typically don't have anything aside form beer on tap. So getting a drink with coke, soda water, red bull or anything of the sort means you are paying for a double shot and the beverage. A whiskey w/ soda water, a drink I'm used to paying about $5 for, costs around $13. Yet, if you go to the grocery store, you can get the cheap beer for about 45 cents a can.

People here are way more stand offish. Making friends is a lot more challenging. I'm used to telling someone if I like their bag or shoes. Here, that's socially strange. Most of the people I've met have been through couch surfer. Those are people looking to meet people.. so it's a little less creepy than using a dating site. It's weird though, as soon as I'm in France or Germany, people are so nice and excited to talk to me.

Name brand clothing (as long as it's really an international brand) is about the same price. Things like Vans, Levis, and Armada are stupidly priced out here. I think I saw a pair of Tom's shoes on sale for $80. But I was looking at a pair of 7 jeans and they were around $140 so, about the same.

There is no good asian food or mexican food, the Indian food is ok. It's hard to find hot sauces/chilly sauces. But that goes for most of europe unless you are in huge cities like Paris (but even there, the legit thai food place I went to used no chilly sauce).

For how safe this place is, there is still a weird sense of paranoia. No one will ever let me walk home at night by myself because it's "dangerous." I messaged my friend that I was reading under a street light by the lake around midnight and he freaked out and said that is no place for a woman. They also have bomb shelters, pretty much every house has a gun, the police carry AKs... It's a very strange thing. No one believes me when I tell them I lived in Downtown LA for years and would walk home at night by myself.

The German/Italian parts are very catholic (not sure on the French side). Everything shuts down for holiday's I've never heard of. Everything is closed on Sundays. People dress a lot more conservative.

Get a Few Eurail passes. If you get the first class ones, it becomes a lot more worth it. Only buy passes for 2 or 3 countries and do limited days. That way you can explore the different regions and save a bit of money. In the end, the total cost ends up about the same as it would be if you had bought on the spot second class tickets only you don't have to wait in so many ticket lines.

Anyway, that's it on Switzerland. No idea about South America. That's next on my to do list.
 
I lived it Switzerland for a year as an exchange student and some of the things you said I totally agree with but some not. Switzerland is expensive as hell! Many people are cold, I know what you mean, ecspecially with the compliments. However, I did not find it hard at all to meet people my age who were open and wanted to be my friend. Several of my best friends now are Swiss from my exchange year and they have visited me/I've visited them several times since I lived there. The bomb shelters are mostly left over from WWII when Switzerland, a neutral country was stuck in the middle of a giant war and feared being invaded. I never noticed a heavy police presence at all and they certainly werent heavily armed except maybe a few at major trainstations. Everyone has a gun at home becuase all men in Switzerland are required to join the army for sometime where they are issued a gun to keep at home. Also the majority of the people I met were not very religious and the stores closing on Sundays and holidays is more of a tradition rather then because of religious beliefs (of course it started as that). I'm not sure what youre experience was like in Switzerland, but I think many things that seemed weird to you are understandable once you know more about the country and how the people think. We might just percieve things differently too or come from different backgrounds, im not trying to call you out or anything.

OP, definitely do a year abroad! The best year of my life so far. I dont think it matters where you go, youll have a unique and awesome experience in Chile or Switzerland. Do you know any languages? Maybe that could help you make your decision.
 
you're super helpful. (so was rachy, but i'm not quoting you both haha) I'm kinda doing what you're doing, I'd live with a family. That's why i'm worried about skiing/biking, because If i was stuck with a family that did neither I don't know what i'd do! Switzerland sounds like SUCH a cool place (so does chile). I'm going to try my best to make friends. Sadly, I know latin. I'm a history nerd haha. I'd have to learn German/French depending where I am, right?
 
no problem, I had such a great time that I like to encourage others to do the same. My family didnt bike or ski but they found me a neighbor who had an extra mountain bike he lent me and I met some friends who I went skiing with every weekend. yeah, or italian or romansch. Romansch is basically the closest living language to latin but hardly anyone speaks it except in a small region in the south eastern alps. If you ended up there youd be set for skiing/biking and the language! haha
 
The cost of living... I spend around $45 a week on groceries and my rent is $550 a month for a one bedroom apartment entirely to myself in the most main part of town. + utilities it ends up at $790 a month and I have the uber high speed internet and air conditioning. That's low. I pay close to $1000 a month for the same thing in Mammoth. But like I said, drinks, restaurants, movies... are way more expensive.

It may just be the region I'm in and that I'm a girl, I see these things a lot more. Angry glances from old men when I wear shorts, and the guys saying it's dangerous for me to walk home and what not.

As far as the friend thing goes, I have absolutely been able to make friends, its just most people get their friends from work or school, so I suppose you being in school made it way easier. I'm just here, no school, no work. Makes it harder.

Luzern is great and there is an American University here. Otherwise I'd go to Geneva or Zurich. I've heard good things about the school in Lugano but haven't been there myself.
 
Why the hell wouldn't you go? And why wouldn't you be able to ski in Switzerland, why wouldn't you be able to bike in Chile?

And if you go for a year, why wouldn't you be able to do both in either?
 
Get one of the million swiss rail season tickets.

Their train system works very well but the Swiss Travel System (STS) offerings are very extensive. You should read through all of the available information to find the offer that suits you best
 
What the hell kinda rules are those?

Are there any more restrictions, which program/organization?
 
I lived 4 years in Switzerland and kiiinda agree with rachy, except that I think she put it in a way that makes Switzerland sound like such a different and obscure world. Seriously Switzerland is actually pretty cool and the people are not as cold as everyone thinks they are. Plus, yes it is pert expensive there. If you live in a small town or whatever then the cost of living is lower but I guarantee you that cities like Zurich are fucking expensive for almost anything, it's one of the most expensive cities in Europe and has been the most expensive for a bit too. And seriously, even if you stay in a family skiing can't be that big of a problem, just show them how much you love to get out there and thats all. If you live more towards the resorts then even better. And trains will take you anywhere (those are fucking expensive though so I'd get passes or smth). Drinking and eating out is expensive, really expensive.

I know nothing about chile, but overall I WOULD THINK Switzerland would be better, not because I'm biased, but I just feel like the living's better there.

Just go for it if you can
 
The exchange program doesn't let you go skiing? In Switzerland?

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this is all still being figured out. I'll probably be able to, just depends on their rules regarding freedom. I'm going to talk to my cousin about that, she did the same thing, but in Ecuador. I'm going to ask her about the freedom.
 
Dude, go to Switzerland its such an amazing place. I completely get what people have said about doing time there and they are a bit weird there but in truth you get to know them and the culture far better once you start to learn the language. Assuming you're in the German part just get on some German course and get some basics down and then learn some good phrases in Swiss German, which is retardedly different sounding to High German.

I'm 20 now and from the age of 2 until i was 18 i spent about a month every year in Laax and Zurich. I love Zurich and i got to know it pretty well, which always makes a city seem so much cooler. Again, if you end up in the German area, and your course allows it, you can get trains to all the resorts ( i assume this is the same for the rest of the country, I've just never been there). Also just get on a fucking Swiss inter-city train, they run so perfectly on time and they are cool and two stories and the scenery outside is gnarly.

And finally, see as much of Europe as you can if you go there, you can legit pretty much train from China to London and all over northern/southern/eastern/western Europe (not that you wanna go all the way to China by train, but you know what i mean, the possibilities are endless).

But where ever you go, have a sick time. I'm an international student in Australia at the moment, not quite the same as going to a country with a different language, but culturally its so different to England and in terms of an enriching experience, its one of the best things i've ever done.
 
Didn't realize I was making Switzerland to sound like a not that great place. I think it's a wonderful place. I had been here a few times already which is why I chose to move here over anywhere else in Europe. I do love it here.

I was just trying to give as non bias as a view I could (at least for the swiss german part) but realize the conservative/paranoia thing does have a bit to do with the fact that I'm female.

I'd totally recommend the place, I just think a lot of peoples views are a little off of what this country actually is. It is expensive, but not crazy. Things you need are cheap. Things you don't need are really expensive. But they are really expensive for americans, not for the Swiss. When you figure a lower paid job (like working at starbucks) makes $22 an hour with a lower tax rate than the US, your $20 lunch isn't that bad any more. If I was working at Starbucks in the US and making $9 an hour, that $9 would get me a meal and drink at Dennys. So really, it's about the same. It's just that they think that the actual cost of living should be low which helps explain the low homeless rate and low amount of government assistance. It's pretty cool actually. We try to do it a little bit but in no way is it as extreme.

And skiing here, the lift tickets are really about the same price. If you bring the minimum gear you need, the trains aren't that bad if you have a half fair pass, so if you can find a place to stay, you wouldn't be spending any more than you would if you needed to buy 5 tickets for Breck or something like that. Just avoid a hotel. Hotels are stupidly priced and Hostels aren't really the type of thing you would think of. They are more like small hotel rooms with a shared bathroom that you still pay $70 a night for. So yeah, find a place to stay on NS or couch surfer.

 
You should go to Switzerland!
I grew up there and it's an awesome place to be. You said that it isn't normal to compliment people on random shit in Switzerland. If you do though, people will like you and you'll make lots of friends fast.
I'm actually in Norway on an exchange year as I type this and you bet your ass that I'm gunna be ripping it up this winter :)
Albeit on a Snowboard. (And theeeeerrrrreee goes the tiny amount of karma I have.)
 
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