Nah never tried them, just saying they for sure are warmer than an average park glove. Plus I hit Mammoth last year during a snowstorm and it was pretty frigid, I was rocking POW park gloves with no insulation, and a hole ripped in the index finger of one glove so my finger stuck out through it a little. Surprisingly, I did not get cold hands at all, and so honestly I'm not going to worry about glove warmth at all next season and just get the thinnest ones I can. Cali is pretty warm though I'm sure frigid to me is average to a lot of people.