Stuck with this trick and I'm getting bored

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twinkle_toes

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Soooo I just learned how to jib this year & I'm stuck doing the same trick. Getting pretty bored of it at this point. I tried learning unnat, I don't think I'm quite ready for that yet. I'll keep working on it tho for sure.

Basically I'm just popping on and coming off switch. I can't for the life of me land straight forwards either, I always land switch for some reason? I'll try to upload a video so you can see what I mean.

[video]https://vimeo.com/552708393[/video]

Just looking for ideas on how to use this as a foundation, or ideas on what I could try next

Ty in advance for help :-)
 
Learn how to peddle. Imagine doing a daffy on the rail. This will allow you to 90 onto to the rail, lock on and stay 90 then pedal out to switch or forward. Instead of continuously rotating in one direction. Practice makes perfect, good luck!
 
From that video it just looks like you're continuing the rotation while you're on the pipe. You could try to continue this around into a surface back swap or a back 2.

To come off the rail forward you're gonna have to halt your rotation on the tube. There are two ways to do this imo. the first is to do more of a shifty to get to 90 degrees onto the rail so there's no spin in the first place to continue on the rail. The second way is to brace your front foot against the direction of rotation by landing with the tip of that foot a bit higher up. This also sets you up well to go into a front 2 off because you're landing with your feet locked onto the rail.

Definitely get some advice from someone other than me tho cuz I suck at rails, but that's just my 2 cents
 
14290706:hdubs said:
Definitely get some advice from someone other than me tho cuz I suck at rails, but that's just my 2 cents
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I have no credentials other than my eternal love for rails but that sounds about right to me

Personally I would recommend learning the daffy method because that same method is used to generate rotation for almost any rail trick, so starting now will set you up well for future sending.

OP, go a little bit slower, huck your rotation on to the rail a little bit less, keep your eyes up and facing the end of the rail, and apply a little bit of pressure to your front heel and back toe by flexing your ankles. This will cause your torso to start spinning towards the end of the rail, use that momentum to jump off the end of the rail with your shoulders facing forward - you got this ?

**This post was edited on May 20th 2021 at 9:18:22am
 
you're looking good, you just need to learn to lock on to the rail. you just pedal/scissor a little, meaning your front toe goes up a little and your back toe points down a little, kind of grabbing the rail so you cut that rotation you have from doing your 90 on

also keep your shoulders a little more downhill and flex your core

these tips will help you be able to lock on, be in control, and come off forward if you want. THEN, go back and do what you're doing and pop and continue it into a blind 270 out!
 
This is my favorite video for explaining pedaling. Once you understand pedaling you can start learning almost anything on rails.


**This post was edited on May 20th 2021 at 9:50:38am
 
I would say that back 2s are going to come easier to you and be less technically difficult than front twos. you are already pretzeling a little bit. go back and watch the video of you hitting the rail and watch how the tips and tails of yours skis point up and down. If you watch pros/experienced skiers on rails they will do the same thing just very exagerated. next time you hit the rail, try popping harder off the very end and maybe bringing the end of the rail up a little bit higher and you will be surprised at how close you come to a back 2 and how easily the rotation comes around.
 
14290703:Gyro_Nights said:
Imagine doing a daffy on the rail.
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Would not recommend this. My advice is to load more of your weight onto your front heel. This will create the "scissor" (ie peddling) and help you land forwards rather than switch. Also try looking at the end of the rail the whole time. That should keep your shoulders from rotating too much.
 
14290909:twinkle_toes said:
wym by urban on?
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Come onto the rail from the side instead of straddling it coming up the lip. This will help give you more control once you learn how to do it and will be much more pleasant for rails that are above the lip

Also, you're almost doing a back swap/back 2. If you want to come off forward instead of spinning onto the rail, just turn your lower body 90 degrees and keep your head and shoulders pointed at the end of the rail (kinda like a shifty), then you'll just snap right back to forwards when you come off the end. Learning to scissor is something you'll want to do eventually but not strictly necessary for straight slides on easy rails. It's definitely much more subtle than a daffy, I just think of it like shifting my weight towards my toe or heal, and when I want to spin I give it a little flick. Just hit a whole bunch of rails and you'll pick it up
 
quick tip for learning pedaling for surface swaps/2s out/overall better control when you’re on the rail : find a tube stall feature if you ever have access to one. Ride up, stall on it, and try to pop a 180 off. Or just stall on it and try to surface 180 while you’re on it. This will get your feet (not just ur downhill foot) familiar with how it feels to pedal.
 
You look like you just need to look in the right direction. Seems like as soon as you get on the rail you look towards your left and that rotates your body naturally that direction causing you to land switch.

Next time try to pop on the rail full 90 and look straight. As soon as you land on the rail try looking more and more to your right so you land forward. It’ll work!
 
I guarantee if you just look to the other direction further and further you’ll definitely get it.

you don’t need to pedal or anything really even though that might help your case, just seems like the more difficult solution.
 
Another way to think about the pedal/scissor technique for going to forwards or F270 is to drop the heal of your front foot down once you get on the rail. Thinking about dropping the heal is just what made F270 click for me. Good luck with your jib endeavors
 
14290909:twinkle_toes said:
wym by urban on?
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You basically start with both skis on one side of the rail and then go onto the rail that way versus straddling where the rail is between your legs, urban on is what most advanced skiiers do because it makes spins off and swaps easier plus you usually are forced to scissor which leads to learning pedaling
 
to add on, keep hands at side and look at end of pipe. a foot or so before end of the pipe jump and reach toward landing
 
Super stoked, I love NS !! Reading all these tips helped a ton. Spent 2 days practicing & I can finally come off the rail straight forwards :-)

I'm strugglin with spinning off the rail now, but I guess that comes with practice.. Do I need to pop harder off the end in order to rotate off? Thanks for da help !! Snow's melting fast so I'm trying to enjoy it while I can.

[video]https://vimeo.com/553863817[/video]
 
14291551:twinkle_toes said:
Super stoked, I love NS !! Reading all these tips helped a ton. Spent 2 days practicing & I can finally come off the rail straight forwards :-)

I'm strugglin with spinning off the rail now, but I guess that comes with practice.. Do I need to pop harder off the end in order to rotate off? Thanks for da help !! Snow's melting fast so I'm trying to enjoy it while I can.

[video]https://vimeo.com/553863817[/video]
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A few tips for the front 2:

It looks like you're looking down at your feet a little bit, just as with 360s you want to keep your head pointed straight ahead at the horizon. This may be partially what caused you to land super bent over on some of them. The biggest thing I noticed is that you've got a super exaggerated scissor motion on the front foot. This is pretty understandable and it makes sense that it would happen when you're trying to learn, I often find myself doing it on 4 outs from low rails and 6 outs. I call this "over-scissoring," and its actually counter-productive. When you scissor too hard you end up taking your weight off the rail and can't push off so you lose your pop- this is my personal experience from trying to huck spins off super hard and losing all my power, I've never had this issue on 2 outs so I can't say that's exactly what's happening but it might be. You should be able to do a 2 out of a rail that height with very little pop, I don't think that's the issue. You're not coming up short as much as your body is not complying with the spin and it just kinda awkwardly stops partway through. This could be partially due to the things I've mentioned, and also just general spinning form. I would recommend relaxing and not trying to huck it so hard. A good way to learn would be to do a little flick with the scissor motion earlier on the rail without popping at all, so you sort of start doing a front surface swap and you've maybe spun 45-75 degrees already before you come off the rail. The whole time you're spinning, on and off the rail, just keep your head up and looking around your shoulder in the direction you're spinning, don't worry about looking at what your skis are doing, you can do that by feel. If you do this it should come around pretty easily. If you can't get yourself spinning while still on the rail that probably means your scissor motion is wrong and/or you're not committing with your upper body. Once you can do this it should be pretty natural to add a bit of pop and do it fully in the air
 
14291551:twinkle_toes said:
Super stoked, I love NS !! Reading all these tips helped a ton. Spent 2 days practicing & I can finally come off the rail straight forwards :-)

I'm strugglin with spinning off the rail now, but I guess that comes with practice.. Do I need to pop harder off the end in order to rotate off? Thanks for da help !! Snow's melting fast so I'm trying to enjoy it while I can.

[video]https://vimeo.com/553863817[/video]
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hell yeah! you're super close on the front two.

the set is there with the scissor grip, the biggest thing is to set that grip harder and earlier, and then spot back uphill.

once you get it down it basically feels like an uphill 180: scissor grip the tube ASAP, open your hips, pop off, rotate hips and shoulders keep looking uphill for 180, stomp switch

Blind/continuing/back 2 is a little more technical, closer to a full 360 with a rail slide in the middle. spend a full day practicing your slide->switch a lot. feel for the "backside/continuing" grip: front half of the inside edge of your downhill ski

"dip the tip, grip it and rip it"

set the edge with your downhill ski and let your hips and shoulders continue in the same direction as you hopped on the rail, pop and look it around for a full 360 rotation.
 
great progress!

on the fs 2s out, watch your video and notice how your hips and core never commit to the 270 out-- they kinda aim downhill the whole time. you don't need to worry much about getting all the way around on a front 2 but you do need to get that part of your body committed so it brings the rest with it. keep your head up and maybe start the spin a little earlier, but mostly just remember to flex your core and and get the middle part of your body into the spin

also as you practice you're just going to get better at gripping the rail and initiating the spin from it

also pick up your knees a little as you leave the rail. that was super helpful advice i got generally for rail tricks, pick your knees up!
 
Just a little thing about spins off, don’t forget to pop up off the rail. A lot of times I get too focused on the spin out that I forget to pop up off the rail. More up pop will give you more time to get the F270 around.
 
14291682:abar. said:
A few tips for the front 2:

It looks like you're looking down at your feet a little bit, just as with 360s you want to keep your head pointed straight ahead at the horizon. This may be partially what caused you to land super bent over on some of them. The biggest thing I noticed is that you've got a super exaggerated scissor motion on the front foot. This is pretty understandable and it makes sense that it would happen when you're trying to learn, I often find myself doing it on 4 outs from low rails and 6 outs. I call this "over-scissoring," and its actually counter-productive. When you scissor too hard you end up taking your weight off the rail and can't push off so you lose your pop- this is my personal experience from trying to huck spins off super hard and losing all my power, I've never had this issue on 2 outs so I can't say that's exactly what's happening but it might be. You should be able to do a 2 out of a rail that height with very little pop, I don't think that's the issue. You're not coming up short as much as your body is not complying with the spin and it just kinda awkwardly stops partway through. This could be partially due to the things I've mentioned, and also just general spinning form. I would recommend relaxing and not trying to huck it so hard. A good way to learn would be to do a little flick with the scissor motion earlier on the rail without popping at all, so you sort of start doing a front surface swap and you've maybe spun 45-75 degrees already before you come off the rail. The whole time you're spinning, on and off the rail, just keep your head up and looking around your shoulder in the direction you're spinning, don't worry about looking at what your skis are doing, you can do that by feel. If you do this it should come around pretty easily. If you can't get yourself spinning while still on the rail that probably means your scissor motion is wrong and/or you're not committing with your upper body. Once you can do this it should be pretty natural to add a bit of pop and do it fully in the air
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Damn I wish I had realized this before now. I noticed this year when learning both way 4s out, I would either nail it or screw up really bad. And always landed on my side on attempts at 6. This makes sense, I must've been over pedalling and hucking too hard. The clean 4s always did feel like less effort in retrospect.
 
The last 4 comments were super helpful !! Thanks a ton :)

So, I tried to look over my shoulder to initiate the rotation.

Also tried to stop exaggerating the scissor motion to get a better pop.

I tried to lift my knees up, turn my hips & head, but I can't help but wonder if my spinning form is just shitty? Am I doing something wrong with my shoulders and arms?

I've read this thread over so many times & watched that tutorial that asparagus shared... can't figure out why I can't finish the rotation ! Maybe it'll come with repetition idk

[video]https://vimeo.com/556753985[/video]
 
Looks like some progression from the first videos. I think you’re right, just get some more repetition in
 
Btw just try back 2 out, use shoulders to whip it around ezpz.

Also you have to try unnat and lip on, sorry. Better sooner than later.
 
14293207:twinkle_toes said:
The last 4 comments were super helpful !! Thanks a ton :)

So, I tried to look over my shoulder to initiate the rotation.

Also tried to stop exaggerating the scissor motion to get a better pop.

I tried to lift my knees up, turn my hips & head, but I can't help but wonder if my spinning form is just shitty? Am I doing something wrong with my shoulders and arms?

I've read this thread over so many times & watched that tutorial that asparagus shared... can't figure out why I can't finish the rotation ! Maybe it'll come with repetition idk

[video]https://vimeo.com/556753985[/video]
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oh dude you're there. don't worry about any one little thing too much just keep getting reps in, you're doing so well. maybe lean a tiny bit more forward so you have control. otherwise just keep at it you've progressed so much already, if you'd just committed to the one in this video and pushed those heels around to finish the rotation you'd just look like you're doing a dope sloppy front 2
 
Experiment with body and foot positioning and timing of your pop on and off. Get really low on the rail, 'rock the boat' by moving your feet back and forth, anything you can think of. Hit the rail at different speeds too. Figure out how slow you can go and still make it to the end, and hit it fast enough that you just tap or jump over the rail.

Do hops in the middle of the rail, just jumping and landing back on it.

Also looks like you could go to a blind 2 pretty easily with the way you are exiting the rail!
 
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