Stealing other people belongings = bad karma

i don't have a car. or a cell phone. or a microwave. or most of that "stuff" they say you need.

 
that sucks someone stole my ploes a whial back but i found the person with them and they said "they thought it was theres"

and this weekend my friend got his snowboard stolen

shits gay
 
.... computer?

by the way, you're being way too idealogical. wake up, this is the real world, if i grow peppers, you aren't fucking getting them for free. on top of that, i'm gonna charge extra for them if people keep stealing them, to make up for it. guess what? retailers overcharge a little bit because of idiots like you who steal. if nobody stole, things would be cheaper, end of story.
 
but, if you give them away, they wouldn't need to steal them. why do you need so many peppers anyways, you couldn't possibly eat all of them.
 
and so he would give you his peppers, the end result of his hard work for this reason and out of the compassion in his heart? What would you give him in return?
 
well, that all depends on the situation at hand. as it is right now i plant trees for a living... i'd imagine if i were to plant trees all summer my community would be happy to supply me with sufficient amounts of food to keep healthy and alive. If not I guess I could always plant crops instead of trees and trade him hemp or corn for his peppers.
 
why don't you just plant trees (say you're working for your municipality or w/e) and they can give you money, and then you can use the money to buy my peppers? this money stuff sure comes in handy, eh?
 
that stuff is bad news bears. I would never want that to happen to anyone. I just wanted to put out some negative vibes.

When you wrongfully take something an expect that something to serve to your advantage - there's something wrong with that scenerio ( i can't spell). If you look at climbing. It is absolute taboo to steal gear. How do you expect a rope to save your life when you stole it? That was the point I was getting at, but to a much lesser extent.

I have clipped lift tickets in the past and I will contine doing so. That day I paid the $75 for the ticket though. I in a way I got what I deserved that day. Win some lose some.

But how did this forum get onto factory food production?
 
What you are describing is a hippie comune (sp?) which resembles COMUNism...it would be all great and dandy if we all had the same work ethic and everything we produce was of equal value. All of the theories of comunism and socialism work great on paper, yeah everyone is equal! But once you start to implement these ideas problems arise. Not everyone works as hard as their neighbor. Peppers are not as useful as wood, this is why a monetary system was invented, to give value to tangible items and services. This is our society...If you dont like it move to a desolate area and set up your own comune like the hippies did in the sixties...dont get on your laptop and complain to a bunch of well off skiers
 
i understand that there are lazy people who tend to ruin things for everybody. but those people couldn't get away with being lazy if the whole community had to pitch in for it all work. the monetary system creates homelessness, creates debt that is impossible to get paid off (public, private, and government sectors). Hell, the way the monetary system is set up globally right now doesn't even make sense.
All money is created with debt of the same worth attached to it. Therefor, if everyone in the world were to pay off their debts (including the banks and governments) there wouldn't be a single penny in existence. If that's not a major flaw I don't know what is.
The bottom line is that the monetary system isn't the right way to do things. As long as we have this world where everything has a price tag and you're forced into working (slavery) just to survive and we've accepted this fate as the only way humans can "peacefully" survive well - we are truly lost.
technology like the laptop i am currently using is not the problem. technology is what will set us free. renewable resources combined with the elimination of money is the next step in getting a true global society.
Right now they say war is profitable. But who may I ask is profiting from this war, and why? Is it those men send overseas to fight (and die) for reasons they're not fully aware of and might not even agree with ? Is it the country at home that seams to be going into a major recession and is billions of dollars in debt? Is it the citizens of the country that are getting taxed millions if not billions of dollars a year? Oh wait no - it's the corporate sector that is making all the profits off wars that are being fought so that the corporate world doesn't lose any money in the first place. Why is the United States in Iraq right now? I mean really, why are they there, why were they there in the first place.

Oh yea, and as for your "peppers are not as useful as wood" - since when in hell has wood become more useful than food? food and water are number 1 on this planet for human survival. wood - well, that's just a by-product from a tree which is probably a lot more useful to humans left standing in the first place. There is a guy who builds houses out of recycled materials like old rubber tires, bottles, ect. he can build a fully insulated house without using any wood or steal or any of the materials we harvest from the planet because we think it's the only way it can be done. The construction industry creates the most waste out of any industry. Worldwide. Some places (like British Columbia I do believe) are slowly starting to make laws about how much waste is allowed at a construction site - which is causing the builders to rethink how they use materials when designing and building a new building.

If we eliminate money from our society (while at the same time switching to renewable energy sources: running water, tides, wind, waves, solar, magnetic, geothermal) we can also eliminate almost all the jobs humans think are of upmost importance to the survival of our society. banks and everything they stand for (accountants, IRS, the stock market) will be non existent. the prison system will fall apart (other than the truly troubled people that go around rapping kids and killing their family, etc (who maybe don't belong in prison in the first place but maybe in a mental ward) most people in prisons today are there because of money and their want of it). The United States of America has around 6% of the global population, and yet they house 24% of the worlds incarcerated, with more than any other country in the world on death row. The entire oil industry could be shut down, along with the marketing involved with competing corporations for the peoples business. If Mac and PC got together and made a truly great computer instead of slowly trying to one up each other, spending large amounts of money on marketing alone. Again, who is paying for all this marketing, and why?
As far as our current mentality of "we need to work, we need to earn money, we need this because without it we all..." - what? we all what? humans didn't all just sit around, be lazy and die before someone created money. The only real "jobs" that are completely necessary are jobs like teachers, doctors, and scientists. Lets look at teachers - in a world where everyone is striving for the greater good of our species I believe that we will WANT to teach our children - and teach them shit that actually matters in the world. How much stuff is being taught in schools right now that is actually going to advance them? I'm not talking about advancing them into college where they can advance into a set field in a useless career. Actually teach them about the process of recycling, why they need to cut down (or avoid) plastics, how to build a water turbine....
As for what the rest of us will do when all the jobs are gone - well, we'll think, create, inspire, do what humans do best. free time is one of the best things a human being can give to himself. Look at the greek. they were advanced enough of a civilization for people to have spare time. Instead of spending their whole lives surviving, they could sit around and talk philosophy and whatnot.
As I said earlier - what I am talking about is not communism. it is more a system of anarchy. there'd be no political leaders as we think of them today. Hell, the way the world is going with all this Union talk we'll be under one rule in 50 years (which is NOT a good thing) unless we change the system we are so willingly following right now.
I could go on - but I will stop for now. I'm sure I've angered enough of you to get some good responses.
 
Though this was only a small point that you made, I'll address it first because I found it the most annoying I think. Why in the hell would mac and microsoft team up if they didn't get paid more for it? Why would this company strive to create the best computer possible if they don't receive anything for it? By getting rid of competition and money, you completely destroy any desire anyone has to work.
 
that kinda goes against the whole skiing mentality don't ya think? I mean, I'd hope the pro skiers in the world working their ass off to create better skiing aren't doing it only for the "money and competition".
you think a guy who really likes creating video games will stop creating? peoples thirst for knowledge will continue as long as humans are conscious of ourselves and surroundings. most of the people doing great things in this world aren't the ones striving to become the richest, they're doing it because they want to do it. the money is just a byproduct of their accomplishments.
 
Drail, I agree with your description of a Utopian society, But stealing is wrong it doesnt matter who you steal from even if your robin hood
 
Drail while your Utopian society would be great, realistically it will never work. there will always be people who will be greedy, and try to hoard things, money, whatever we value. obviously what you describe is well beyond communism. but i think the fail of communism is proof that it wouldnt work.

therefore there would still be people stealing, for the sake of themselves. they just wouldnt be robbing banks, theyd be stealing and hoarding other things.
 
on an unrelated note - someone stole my longboard this summer from school when i was at the gym. I tracked them down and got it back 3 months later. I won.
 
No they don't, especially with the economy the way it is. I read somewhere that Intrawest is close to bankruptcy. Also, my local resort had to jack ticket prices up to $40 on Saturdays a couple years back and they still lose money.
 
I hear you man, someone stole my skis and poles once. But luckily somehow i found him not to far away and me and my buddies beat the crap out of him.
 
the locally grown/made products cant compete in this thing we call a "global economy", everything cab be sold at a cheaper price by the big manufacturers giving them an advantage , the time going in to making maple syrup or pasta by hand locally you cant sell your product at a low enough price and make a living, manufacturers drop their price, local business cant compete and they "go under", manufacturers raise the price, end!

stealing is bad from the individual, but from a large corporation, come on, they rape the buyer and the people who actually make the product.
 
i dont think that stealing 2 dollar rental poles is that bad. the resort is always out to rob you i mean have you ever even stepped into the cafeteria but yea like whatev take em and sticker em up easy affordable solution
 
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