State of the Union

CassiusClay

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Obama believes we should spend as much money as we possibly can, further pushing our country's debt. As well, he'd like to bring back jobs (awesome, I'm a fan) however his solution will only diminish the value and competitiveness of American companies... Go
 
Hmmm, I wonder which industry lobbyists pay for his campaigns.....

He's talking about using clean energy and proceeds to talk about expanding shale gas extraction and expanding 75% of our off shore oil drilling. He only mentions sustainable energy/real clean energy in passing. If he talks about clean energy as "the industry of the future", why can't he talk about the real clean sources of energy for the future?
 
BREAKING: In the time it is taking Obama to speak, Newt Gingrich has had an affair, divorced and remarried.- Borowitz
 
Well I will admit that he's realllllly good at saying what people want to hear and saying it convincingly.
 
i wonder why its been hard for him to get things done. Hmmmm it couldn't possibly be because of that group of people to the left of him that sat on their asses all night and barely clapped at all.
 
This. He truly is an amazing speaker and I'm almost 100% sure he will serve another term. I agree with most of what is said except for the natural gas drilling. He says we have enough natural gas for "almost" 100 years but my question is what is going to happen after those years. After that all those jobs that were created over time will be destroyed and then what? Another recession? I mean it one thing to say all these things but it's a whole nother thing to actually act. I don't know hopefully some of these things get passed and work out because if we keep going the way we are right now we are most certainly fucked. That's my piece. (p.s. on mobile sorry for spelling errors)
 
that was an interesting presidential debate. lot of floor time he had, rather one sided though. where was the mediator?
 
I personally agree with all of his policy propositions for both congress and his administration. Hopefully we will see them become law in 2012. These ideas were generally bipartisan; I hope that congress won't give in on campaign contributions from large corporations and interest groups for this stuff.
 
Yeah I like how he said if colleges would keep rising tuition, he would keep dropping federal funding.
 
obama is digging us into a deeper hole, that bush started. i dont understand why people still want him to be our president.
 
god some of you people are so easily persuaded. Yes, Obama is a very good speaker and is telling you what you want to hear, but he did the same thing 3 years ago and has so far done nothing significantly good for our country. He just said a bunch of bullshit to become president. Some of his ideas are good, some suck, but just looking at how he has failed in the past to put his good ideas into action just makes me not want him as a president. If you like him and you know all this then that's great, this is just my view, not trying to start some political debate.
 
how else do you get out of a recession without spending money? How do you think we got out of the great depression? Jobs are the key to getting us out of our current economic state. wouldn't you agree?
 
"We WILL stop Iran from producing any nuclear weapons no matter what we have to do." or something along those lines. Soooooooo in my opinion, war with Iran within the next couple of years?
 
You guys don't realize how little control the president has over the economy... Much power relies in budgeting. What you guys aren't understanding is that he wasn't making promises during his speech, he was proposing bills to congress. One of the big things I got out of his speech was that he was saying he's disappointed in congress and how theyve been doing nothing and that he wants them to stop acting like a "campaign congress" which is a nice way of saying they're corrupted.
 
This.

Why did Obama turn down the Keystone Pipeline, which would have created 20,000+ jobs for our country. We don't need more roads, or more bridges, which Obama keeps pushing for in order to create jobs (extremely short term). The Keystone Pipeline would be an EXTREMELY huge project that would create long terms jobs, even after the construction is completed and would also improve the oil situation are country is currently in.

Obama said something like 75% of the oil used in our country this past year came from within our borders? Wrong, that was a lie. 42% of the oil used in our country was taken from our country. About 58% was taken from Canada, South America, and the Middle East. The way he worded that statement made people believe that we were getting rid of our dependence on the Middle East...yet all we are doing is shifting our dependence further more onto Canada and South America.

As for taxing the rich, I'm perfectly fine with that. The more money you make the more you should give back to help the country you live in. But there are ways for the rich to create money without seeing a heavy tax, such as investments and the stock market, where the only possibility of reduction on their return lies within the commission taken from their investment company. People need to realize that!!!!

And finally Obama's biggest flaw, and what should be the main reason for him to lose this upcoming election (which unfortunately I do not see happening) is his view on the United States spending and the current state of our economy. WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are already so far into debt that our generation (gen Y and beyond) is going to be paying taxes out our Ass for the rest of our lives because of the debt this presidency has cemented. Him saying we need to pump money into social security and our military is complete horse shit. We have the strongest, most advanced, and most respected military in the world. We killed Osama (which he is taking FULL credit for) and are allies to more nations throughout the world then I can remember. People need to work hard in this world, Social Security is important and there are flaws that needed to be addressed, but I believe you need to work your ass off to secure your future....its the American Way. And he has not displayed any direction in regards to how he intends on fixing these major flaws to a very important system within our country. All I know is dumping more money that we don't have into the flawed Social Security system isn't the way to go.

Obama stated the unemplyment rate is getting lower by the month, and I forgot the percentage he stated. But what he "FORGOT" to include was all of the people who have stopped looking for emplyment and are no longer capable of receiving unemplyment, they have simply given up on finding a job because its that bad out there these days. Secondly, the amount of people UNDERemplyed in today's country is striking. If all these people were included within the actual TRUE unemplyment rate, our country's rate would exceed 18%.....pathetic and extremely scary.

I consider myself blessed for having a job in this economy. But I do not want to grow up, start a family, and buy a home until to see the Hammer of this campaign lay me out with taxes. The United States needs to STOP SPENDING, we can't afford to. And its a major issue that we will have to deal with for our entire lifetime.

This upcoming election in 2012 is monumental for our generation, I hope everyone knows what is at stake and I hope everyone takes pride in who they vote for, its our responsibility to.
 
Dude, the pipeline was fucked. Sorry, but at the end of the day we need to remember that money, jobs, the exchange economy aren't REAL. They're just the system we use, and some day will come to an end. The environment, however, is here to stay, and we need to treat it with respect. If that means sacrificing a few jobs, so be it. We shouldn't attempt to preserve a status quo that is so flagrantly inefficient, anyway; we throw away 50% of all food purchased in this nation, and yet the government hands shit out? Why not begin localized consensus-based reallocation of waste? Because we've been stripped of the realization that we CAN work together sans top-down regimes. Also, taxing the rich doesn't matter. During times that taxing the rich is in vogue with the current administration, the true elites simply pay themselves $100,000 instead of the usual $6 million, and place money in clandestine accounts in the Cayman Islands, Panama, Switz, etc. They'll always dodge the shit and go elsewhere, so the legislation on the matter doesn't actually affect a damn thing. Even corporate taxes don't matter; simply open an overseas subsidiary in Costa Rica or another lax-tax nation, and allow the brunt of the business to be done through this channel, rather than the US-based one.

Ironically, taxing brackets are the one thing that really make Democrats and Republicans "different"; one says tax the rich, the other says don't, and aside from these things, the two parties are two sides of the same coin. Ultimately, they're all corporate lapdogs.

It's looking like jobs will matter less and less in the future; the ones doing the best for themselves will have adopted a non-participatory stance on the whole shitshow. Those of us out there consuming the trimmings, growing, building, and forging our lives from the odd cracks of a shattered system will be the ones flourishing as the rest run the treadmill towards dead ideals. Laughing straight to the squat.
 
Solid response but unfortunately as great as this all sounds its all wrong, our country was built on a system. For as long as all of us on this forum will be alive for....a system will be in place. The environment is important I agree, but this pipeline won't be ruining all of it and the pipeline won't be only going through rural areas. The pipeline is fucked because we have a democrat at the helm and its only a matter of time until you see I'm right.

The fact that you think tax brackets is the only thing that seperates Democrats from Republicans is hilarious. Yes, if you are SUPER wealthy you can afford to send your money to off shore accounts, but by no means is a single digit millionaire considered super wealthy in our country. And they should see a substantial tax rate from our country. Our economy is God awful, there is no way around "not having a job, or jobs not mattering" because they always will. And a majority of people making money will always care about the direction in which our country is driven. Your response is ignorant. The system is currently shattered I will agree, but as history proves, we can and will rebuild. Our generation is next in line to make a difference. Without a system there comes anarchy.

There will always be a 1%, whether they be hedge fund babies or self made millionaires, they will be there so there's no reason to dwell on them. We need to regulate spending in order to recover as a country. Once we regulate our spending and the public regulates all of the debt they have on the housing market (once the housing market bottoms out), we can start to rebuild our economy. Until, its going to be a treacherous up hill battle.
 
If you believe in this, then you clearly have only listened to the lobbyist side of the argument and have no weighed the input of both sides of the issue. The pipeline is FUCKED not because of a democrat, it's fucked because of the lobbyists and corporations promoting it not giving a single fuck about it's impacts. The amount of oil extracted from the project will be VERY short lived. The vast amount of money invested int he project and the supposed tons of jobs created by do not justify the longevity of the project, the environmental degradation is could and will cause, or the few people that will benefit from it (I'll give you a hint, it's not the people who get these jobs created by it).
 
I like Obama, but his energy policy was a joke. "We need to use renewable resources" quickly turned into fracking, offshore drilling, and using natural gas reserves. He said the gas reserves would last 100 years. Why would you want to use that? 100 years is a blink of an eye in the long term. We would just end up in another oil situation. A better stance would have been geothermal, wind, solar, and tidal. Clearly Obama was trying to get support from politicians whom get support from those companies.

I also would have liked to see him go into the transportation system. We need high speed rail in this country. Less reliance on cars is a must... In Europe you can get everywhere on trains and it is a much better system than having people driving all over the place. Rail would lessen our reliance on oil a lot.
 
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