Someone explain this to me

feihlination

feihlination

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seriously, no hate involved. no disrespect towards noone. i am leaning a little toward the "inside job"-thingy, i will admit that, but i dont want to believe something like that can be done in this day and age by a western country.

so, without further ado: how can this be:

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when explaining the un-airplane-like destruction pattern (no signs of wings or anything, kinda a small hole for a kinda big plane), gov'tal organisations always point out that the airplane "vaporized" and the wings were folded to the body, leaving windows and walls almost un-touched.

so, just a tad earlier, the same day, the whole world was on record to see how it really looks when a airplane hits a building

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seriously, i dont say anything happened this way or another, but if i look at these two pictures, i would say that there is no way that both were caused by the "same" (similar) event. i see a plane-like hole in the WTC and a bazillion videos showing that a plane hits the building. i cannot, however, see a plane hitting the worlds safest building on video, nor can i, imo detect any evidence for the fact that a plane hit that building.

if you want to call me dumb, do it, this type of discussion is perfect for people that like this strategy. but keep in mind that i live in europe and you dont hear that much about the attacks nor does anybody really have any knowledge about it so i appreciate a little discussion about these topics.
 
i dont have any evidence, what i am saying is that if you show this pentagonpic to 100 people who have never heard about 9/11 but know airplanes, i bet at least 90 would say that this hole wasnt created by an airplane.

logic, no evidence or whatever, just logic.
 
i know its hard to believe but they might have been so occupied with what happened with the WTC and had no time to watch their own. kinda like a "let your guard down" sorta thing.
 
haha so i got netflix. then i watched loose change. then i made a stupid thread about stupid ideas that arent true.
 
idk, some members of a tribe somewhere that get food or medicine every once in a while from caritative organisations via planes

not really necessary to specify this hypothetical "people".
 
If i hear another 9/11 conspiracy theory i will coerce satan himself to drag every single conspiracy theorist down to the fires of hell and have him line them up and kick them all in the plums once for every iq point of every person who doesnt believe their unbelievably fuckbasilic cockery.
 
i know that they are built differently.

but i just cannot look at this pic and think, "yeah an airplane did it".

will read your link though
 
ACTUALLY THERE IS A PRETTY FREAKIN CLEAR VIDEO OF A WEBCAM SHOWING THAT AN AIRPLANE CRASHES INTO THE PENTAGON GOING VERY FAST.

I SAW IT ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

LOOK IT UP
 
i might be able to say that the wings are not an issue in my head as i can wrap my head around the fact that they are indeed aluminium and shit and the building is heavy.

but the link says that the turbines are heavy in relation to the other materials. give me two turbine holes and my world is set.

i cannot believe that the turbines dont break the slightest hole into the building.
 
the plan the hit the WTC hit it pretty head on , the pentagon is a smaller building and i dont think it would be very is to hit it as dead on as the WTC ones did. It just crashed into it a different way derp
 
It was a movie, it didn't even happen! Bush planned it! Seriously, stop with these 9/11 threads. I'm fucking tired of hearing various 'it couldn't have happened with the plane hitting the building and the core melting' theories.
 
For security reasons, the walls of the Pentagon are thicker than those of the WTC, so the wings had enough force to puncture the WTC walls, but not the Pentagon walls. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
i think this "footage" is the worst ever try to "prove" something in the history of the world. i didnt want to include that thing in my arguments, but now its here.

how can someone stand there and say with a straight face that this "proves" everything?

come on, might as well release nothing.
 
I honestly think almost every single failure of an attempt to prove that 9/11 was some conspiracy generally conveys worse facts than the footage shown in that video.
 
which has nothing to do with the quality of that footage, right?

no offense, but this is not a valid point in disproving anything. just because 10 out of 15 conspiracy arguments are complete bullshit doesnt say that 2 of the next 3 you hear will be wrong too. to believe that is totally insane.

as i said, i am not really on one side or the other, but the complete avoidance of the "government-believers" to think for themselves or even the personal defamation for trying to find a personal opinion slowly push me to the other side.

 
The pentagon is like the most secure building in the world, releasing high def 2000 fps video to the public of the best built building ever would be like a kick in the face to the public basically saying ya a couple of sketchy muslims can easily blow up america's best infrastructure. I believe the american government wants people like you to be unsure as to whether or not an airplane actually crashed into the pentagon so that the american people wont go and panic and the american government doesn't seem weak.
 
well the official version IS that sketchy muslims did all that? choose your side, the gov't is either weak or a genocidal one, idk if thats what they want anybody to believe.

 
nonono. i am not proving anything.

i am only using logics. and contrary to you i am not calling others names nor am i afraid to read articles and educate myself on the matter.
 
im not sure what you are trying to imply.

are u saying that america actually blew up its own pentagon because that is pretty insane.

What I'm saying is that the government wants to keep people in confusion. the choice isn't between sketchy muslims and a genocidal government... its between the sketchy muslims and the unknown which could be anything such as the smartest hackers/con artists in the world planting a bomb. I don't know but it is the unknown which the government wants us to believe because then there is no concrete evidence for the people to dislike. instead it ends up being a bunch of conspiracy theorists.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

by definition, it is. you see event A and possible reasons B or C. then you examine which reason is more likely to cause said event. and i feel like counter-conspiracists go longer ways towards neutralizinh conspiracists claims than the other way round. one time the plane vaporized to support the small hole. another time debris is found all over the place.

logic by definition. not "likelihood", which is the word you meant but misspelled extremely
 
personal hate because of your stupid logic and annoying thread. just cause shit is kinda weird doesnt mean it cant be real. how many buildings do you see that airplanes fucking crashed into? two. and they are of complete different structure. im soo tired of this conspiracy shit.
 
I don't think explanation is necessary after that post. Bringing up a topic implies... wait, do you know what implies means?... that you have an opinion on the topic, an opinion you expressed above with your 'logic'. I generally view 'logic' as worth reading, but I saw nothing close to that from your post. Please take your 'logic' elsewhere, I'm tired of reading it.
 
Regarding the pentagon, its not like there was no damage. 175 people were killed. Along with 2500 in the Twin towers. Idk if you're leaning towards the "government did it" side, but to me thats just rediculous. To kill so many people and to destroy such a huge building that had so much going on.... so rediculous.... and don't comeback at me with some bullshit about it boosting the economy or someshit because i've heard it.
 
a giant skyscraper fell onto it. Probly caused some severe structural damage. Fires weakened the remaining structural integrity enough so that it couldnt withstand its design loading anymore and it collapsed. why is that hard to understand?

Engineers design shit so that it barely doesnt fall down. Any jackass can build something that stands up, engineers build shit that barely stands up for the lowest cost. When unexpected shit happens, the structures act unexpectedly.
 
I hear it is harder for an airplane wing to go through reinforced bomb resistant stone walls that are 20ft from the foundation then steel beams a few hundred feet from the foundation. But that might just be the enginerd in me. I also hear (and know) that it don't take much to make airplane wings full of jet fuel go bye bye. Again, just the engineer thinking.
 
What are you trying to prove? What are you trying to argue? What are you implying? It's pretty obvious you're trying to somehow justify that the government killed more then 2500 people on purpose. You keep saying over and over you're not trying to argue anything, but showing us your "logic", when its pretty obvious you have your mind set that the government (again this is what It looks like from what you've said) killed 2500 people. Stop trying to say "I'm just showing you information, not picking a side". Dude, pick a motherfucking side. Stop looking a bitch and just straight up say "I think the government did it". Because right now according to you, terrorist's didn't do it, some magical fucking force did right?

Your thread says "explain this to me" and people have, yet your still defending your stupid fucking point that "an airplane could have possibly made a hole that small!" We get it dude, but i'm pretty sure an engineer could disprove your point in 2 seconds. I'm 16 and can easily comprehend that airplane wings are light as fuck, and the pentagon is strong as fuck.
 
ok, then i will say that i think that some american institution in some way did it is more likely to me than the "official" story. when you think about how they sponsered al-qaida from the get-go, this shouldnt even be a question.

i seriously tried to stay away from choosing a side, but the constant personal hatred towards people from outside the US trying to build an opinion is just sad. i cannot talk to anybody here about that, because nobody knows a thing.

the land of the goddamn free and its inhabitants try to forbid me to form an own opinion and actually go longer and more complicated routes than the so called "conspiracists". thats what i think. i could care less who did what but the attitude of most of you guys will push anybody with a functioning brain towards the other side.

i have never met people so ignorant and refusing when it comes to answering some simple questions. +k to all up there who tried to explain stuff without calling names or "being tired" of me.

 
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Thats in the other thread, go away.

So discounting the footage (because even i'll admit its a real push to say a definite yes or no) what about the;

>Tens of eye witness account of a plane hitting the pentagon, some people even recalling the type and livery.

>Hundreds of eye witness accounts seeing a plane flying low

>757 wreckage, American Airlines clearly visible, parts even traced to flight 77.

>If flight 77 didnt fly into the pentagon, where did it go.

 
who says the United States is exempt from having an extremely corrupt government? We have learned though all of our history classes, that many governments were extremely corrupt, what makes us so special?
 
I love how fucking highschool and college kids sit around and pretend they understand physics, aeronautics and arcitechture.... "Dude just look at it theres no shape of a plane" "explain this to me, the building collapsed at near free fall" "jet fuel couldn't have melted the steal" You all sound like twelve year old know-it-alls. You do realize that the entire basis for this conspiracy was created with the soul intention of selling a movie right... how can you just repeat back shit that is as impossible to confirm as the governments story none of you know shit...
 
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