Sleep paralysis

Mr.LemonPie

Mr.LemonPie

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I know this is a repost. But I first learned about Sleep Paralysis on NS years ago, and right now I'm to spinny to find the thred.

At Bestival I had the best trip of my life. I was in my tent, after seeing the most incredible music and living in a dream world for 4 days. It was the end. Finally. I was ready for my brain to shut off. Well, that doesn't really work at a festival, everyone is loud you're living with a thousand people within 100 yards of you (very very very rough estimate). I couldn't sleep, so I decided to try something I'd known about for a long time, tried before, but never experienced. Sleep Paralysis.

Basically, if you can not move for half an hour your body will convince it's brain you're asleep. Sounds pretty easy but it is incredibly hard. At about three minutes you start to itch, at ten you tickle. At 15 you start to see things but you'll jerk and move (if you an move it isn't sleep paralysis...) I can't remember what it was like when I made it at Bestival I just remember meditating and breathing, and knowing everything would be alright.

As soon as my body switched off I felt it. My brain completely disengaged from my body, complete spiritual consciousness. Or so I thought (maybe still think). It wasn't like lucid dreaming, where you have control. It was the exact opposite, I had no control. Lying face down was a bad choice I put my light up juggling balls around my head and the pillowcases we brought were very trippy. The visuals were unlike anything I've ever seen before, the changing colors from the balls would create shadows for my brain to fill in. My brain, which was going crazy while I was trying to stay still (a good crazy, but crazy nonetheless) completely shut off. It wasn't that I wasn't thinking, it was that the thought processes were too complex for my inner thought process to understand. I couldn't tell you what it felt like when I first felt the disconnection, but it was intense.

Once I got used to the disconnection, after closing my eyes and slowly my brain starting to catch up, I thought I was done, so I tried to roll over to go to sleep, ya know, give me girlfriend a kiss on the cheek and wake up tomorrow to tell her about it. Then I couldn't move. At first I thought I was faking it myself, like there were two people inside me and one was trying to trick the other. Then, I just concentrated on moving my hands. Couldn't do it with my eyes closed. Opened my eyes, everything seemed completely normal, looked like my tent, no tripping. I thought 'great, it's finally over,' and then I tried to move my hands. That's when it hit me really really hard. I heard loud laughing people screaming at me calling me names and with my eyes open all those shapes and things that didn't make sense suddenly did. They were binding my whole body together, tying it to the ground while I felt my head being pulled to the heavens.

After what felt like a lifetime the other carload of people in our campsite woke up. Hearing voices of people I knew talking about things I understood cleared everything up. I rolled over, and slept really really hard. For 2 hours...And since then...
 
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I can't even describe it, I got into it again tonight, not sure if I already said this but I watched "DMT The Spirit Molecule" a while ago and have read they book and both they talk about the ability to release DMT freely in your body. I find that with the right mindset, the right stuff to do, and a really long time to stay awake/recover I will always be able to feel like this...How do I feel, I wrote this thread https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/757272/ after being 36 hours straight awake. Sine then I crashed for 3 hours once, had 2 20 minute naps, and am struggling now.

But, I just came across this. (dream of life Alan Watts) And I feel ready to sleep and see what everything will be like tomorrow.

http://yooouuutuuube.com/v/?b=1&yt=wU0PYcCsL6o&width=192&height=120&flux=0&direction=rand

I've had it on repeat now for about 20 minutes, tomorrow I will memorize it. Sleep deprivation isn't like taking a drug but you trip so much harder if you know what tripping feels like and you can do things to bring it on...a convo I had with a mate who went to BEstival with me and has seen the changes I've made in the past 11 days...Drugs suck. I've been living more sober than I have in years and I'm tripping harder than I ever have in my life.

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Life is a continual paradox. About the creation of our universe everything you said was spot on. Aliens everything. But I truly do believe now, that the entire universe, everything we can conceive physically and theoretically, is a higher beings marble. I'm not saying we're the only marble, I'm not saying he's the only player. But I do think because there was a sudden bang, or a sudden collapse or a sudden something, that indicates creation. Something made the big bang, something made our universe.

1:25pm

So where did the marble players (gods) come from? Well we scan't conceive there world but because they would model things after themselves we can assume it would work similarly to ours, because if you lived in a good universe (or on a bad uni.) you would surely make your little marble that was similar to your world.

1:30pm

So picture a whole bunch of players trying to create a perfect species for science or fun or whatever, all of them trying to create the same thing seems like a parrellell universe to me? Or is that crazy?

1:33pm

And back to the gods, the world they lived and that they moved throughout (I find it hard to conceive something that create a species as walking or having a brain, or a body) surely they would wonder how it got created, unless one god did find the perfect species, and one individual from that species could transend into the spirit world. But then the question would be come, who was first, who was the first creator, so that gets us to the next level, because there must have been creation. Things don't just happen, creativity is in your brain as it is in the universe, it has been creating forever.

1:33pm

And that is the paradox I've been looking for.

Tripping hard right now hard to type so it may not make sense but tell me what you think.

1:53pm

This is what the gods see exactly...Well no, but to the best possible way I can conceive it.

http://yooouuutuuube.com/v/?b=1&yt=sJO15eCQaqA&width=192&height=120&flux=0&direction=rand

just the look, all the universes so similar trying to be perfect. Countless amounts, making them every day to maybe get 1 new friend every 100 million years on earth. Jesus, Buddha, Einstein, we have heard stories throughout all of history who have made it to the next level.

2:13pm

I'm sorry man, I keep meaning for it to be the last thing I sent you but I just watched this...

shit...

wow...

read it all before you watch and understand that I came to those conclusions before watching this video and it's incredible.

2:13pm

http://yooouuutuuube.com/v/?b=1&yt=sJO15eCQaqA&width=192&height=120&flux=0&direction=rand

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Sleep is calling soon. THanks for coming along NS.

 
Gah it scares me. I once woke up to this and all i could hear was this growling and heavy breathing directly in my ear. I tried to scream to my parents, "HEELPP, HEEEEEEEEEELPPPP", but nothing came out of my mouth so I just closed my eyes and waited for the paralysis to go away. I have never been more petrified in my life. Too scared to actually try it on purpose now FUCK THAT.
 
Sleep paralysis aint scary. If you experience it you can literally instantly start a lucid dream which is better than any drug or tripping or whatever the fuck OP is talking about.
 
i did it once and it was scary as shit there were these bells going off that were fucking loud and it felt like my chest was imploding. there was no instantly starting a lucid dream your just stuck there while some really weird shit happens.
 
haha oh I know I've had the experiences where it scared the fuck out of me and I would hear voices and see demons in my room and shit. But if you learn that nothing can hurt you, and just embrace that shit and accept it and wait it out, Its well worth it.
 
I always try it, but then I pass out instead. I have been able to not move for like 10 minutes, then I just pass out..

So now I just use it to fall asleep when I'm not tired.
 
i took melatonin last night and tried that the other night actually...i lost my fucking marbles. but seriously i know what your talking about. it is very hard to explain. for me it was like having a dream but being totally conscious in it, like i could control what was going on in my dream. crazy stuff
 
the only sleep paralysis i have experienced was accompanied with night terrors. but i think my sleep paralysis is different than what you are describing. yours is more of just a lucid dreaming state or something where you shouldnt move? i wake up and am unable to breathe or move anything besides my eyes.
 
I don't doubt it...I'm not talking about a drug. But the first time for me, sleep paralysis was scary. Now, I have no doubt it will be amazing the next time and I won't have the fear of going asleep that I had yesterday etc...
 
This is what I thought sleep paralysis was. It is fucking scary because you can't move at all, but you feel completely concious and awake.
 
I've struggled for years with this. I wake up and can look around, but I can't move. Happens one to two times each week. About a third of the time, I hear screaming. But not my own because my mouth won't open. I have learned to try to relax and just shake my head and it'll literally shake me out of it. The fact that kids are trying this on purpose baffles me. It's something I hate having to deal with. Why the fuck would you want to?
 
What's all this sleep paralysis you guys are talking about? I've never heard about that, but it sounds pretty fun. Simply go to bed, lay there for 30mins and don't move? Will I know if i'm "paralyzed".. ?
 
I always get it when I'm trying to lucid dream. I can't move at all and all I can hear is what sounds like the THX sound effect from the old VHS movies. Its loud as hell. If you just relax, you'll either snap out of it or become lucid.
 
People "try" to do this? Why the fuck would you want this experience?

It's something that happens naturally to me and it's an awful, awful, occurrence. I seriously don't understand the appeal. I always feel like I can't breathe, and I want to be woken up more than anything. I always try and make noise, and I basically try and yell and I feel like all I can muster is a whimper, maybe not even that. It happens in the middle of the night or sometimes early in the morning, and it is the most helpless, terrifying thing. I don't have any sort of "trippy", lucid, or revelatory experience whatsoever, I have a vague detachment from my body, but it's much more akin to being a prisoner and experiencing conscious thought while in a totally shut down body. I hate it, and I wish it never happened again.
 
I don't know what you guys are talking about.....I've had lucid dreams, dreams with a full awareness of dreaming and the ability to make choices and alter the dream, and this experience that I've had with sleep paralysis literally has nothing in common with that overwhelmingly positive experience. In sleep paralysis, I am aware of my physical surroundings, in fact, I'm convinced my eyes must be partially open, and I'm simply unable to move, unable to control my breathing, which invariably feels shallow, inefficient, and just...insufficient. I feel like I can move ever so slightly, like wiggling my fingers and making humming sounds, and I can never just fully wake myself up which is what I'm always trying to do. I don't understand the correlation/relation to lucid dreaming as for me, the experience is much closer to a waking experience than it is to a dreaming one.

I can recall that in some iterations of this happening, I am peripherally aware of distant voices, but not threatening or ominous ones, but almost like I hear whoever may be around going about whatever. Such as, believing I'm hearing my parents down in the kitchen when it's happened in their house, or being aware of my girlfriend(s) (it's happened many times over many years) sleeping alongside of me.
 
I'm sure if it had happened to me naturally when I was younger I wouldn't try it at 21. I had never been able to do it before so when I tried at Bestival I thought there would be no way I could do it. Then it was probably much more 'trippy' because I was coming down off of some other drugs but it was funneled by the sleep paralysis.

I don't know, I don't think it would ever happen to me on accident. I've never been able to stay still and I move so much in my sleep, it is ridiculous. I felt like I couldn't breathe and I tried to yell and wake myself up during while it was happening and I hated it. I definitely get why you wouldn't want to try it if you did it accidentally....

I hope that if I can get into sleep paralysis again (I couldn't before maybe I can't now) it will be a step into a nice waking dream, but I definitely will take your advice that it is something uncontrollable seriously.

I'm definitely not trying it again for a bit cus it did completely fuck up my sleeping schedule.
 
sleep paralysis is fucked. It happened to me as a teenager and for acouple months I thought I was the only one ever to experience this. Once I found out what it was I did a bunch of reasearch, there are some great youtube documentaries on sleep paralysis. Also a few alien conspiracies associated w sleep paralysis.

I, for one, don't know how it's possible to go into sleep paralysis. Every time it happens to me it is in the middle of the night. It feels like someone has a 1000ton weight on your chest. Can't talk or move, I usually hear noises like someone is in the house about to attack me. Worst thing you can do is freakout, helps to relax. Your mind is conscious while your body is unconscious. Even though it's a dream, I believe your eyes are open and what you see and hear are illusions. I have not been able to lucid dream during sleep paralysis but I have heard it's the easiest time too.

OP is talking more towards the spiritual side of sleep paralysis. Those videos were crazy man. Joe Rogans videos on DMT are worth the watch. Most ppl associated with this kind of stuff are viewed as crazy in our society. I'm not on either side, but the whole topic is very interesting .
 
sleep paralysis is fucked. It happened to me as a teenager and for acouple months I thought I was the only one ever to experience this. Once I found out what it was I did a bunch of reasearch, there are some great youtube documentaries on sleep paralysis. Also a few alien conspiracies associated w sleep paralysis.

I, for one, don't know how it's possible to go into sleep paralysis. Every time it happens to me it is in the middle of the night. It feels like someone has a 1000ton weight on your chest. Can't talk or move, I usually hear noises like someone is in the house about to attack me. Worst thing you can do is freakout, helps to relax. Your mind is conscious while your body is unconscious. Even though it's a dream, I believe your eyes are open and what you see and hear are illusions. I have not been able to lucid dream during sleep paralysis but I have heard it's the easiest time too.

OP is talking more towards the spiritual side of sleep paralysis. Those videos were crazy man. Joe Rogans videos on DMT are worth the watch. Most ppl associated with this kind of stuff are viewed as crazy in our society. I'm not on either side, but the whole topic is very interesting .
 
I feel like it is just a waking dream, and because you sort of can see your world and it is very memory and emotion heavy it is likely to be scary. The next time I try to force it (it won't happen for me naturally, I move ALL the time) I'll definitely try to relax and be in a more mellow mood. Hopefully it will lead into sleep and a nice lucid dream.

The more I look into it now, I don't think it was a real flood of dmt or anything, I've just been thinking about it so much I think I just dreamed about what that could be like, and after waking up (well from a 45 min nap...) I was convinced it was DMT.

Now that I am thinking clearly I'm looking back and am like 'what the fuck was I on about...'
 
I have no idea what moving has to do with it. However, to everyone reading this thread. Don't try it. I have to deal with it naturally, and I don't really know if you can start having it happen accidentally from forcing it, but it's not worth the risk. Last night for example, I thought my best friend, who I share a room with, was being attacked. I could hear him screaming for help, and I thought I saw a dark shadow on his bed. It's not a fun high, it's fucking scary.
 
I had a dream once where I wokeup during sleep paralysis and was still dreaming, never been so confused before in my life. Was two dream levels in
 
This.

It happens to me when im under a lot of stress. I didnt know what it was at first and was absolutely terrifying. Now that im aware of what is happening I just try and move my head. Im so scared to let it happen fully. I feel like im going to die if I just go with it.

Then the dreams occur. I can remember most so vividly I could recite them to you now. I experience dejavu all the time. It is a lot like lucid dreaming but im still confined to the reality of whatever dream I am currently experiencing. The worst is they are never good dreams. A few nights ago I was forced to cut a mans fingers off in order to defend my self and then I bought an ice cream sandwich from a truck in my living room....wtf right.

The worst is when the dreams are similar to actually events a few days later. I just saw the trailer to "This is the End" and it is so insanely similar to a dream I had a week ago that it gave me chills.
 
Alright so how I described above saying I felt like I was in my tent for longer than I had been alive, that is because I felt like I went through every single one of my memories, and thought about them. I would call my first sleep paralysis a bit of a mix between a lucid dream/waking nightmare. It wasn't conscious thought like how I think now, it was more emotional and vague, but there was some form of recognition, judgement and learning.

The visuals I saw, the colors the shapes as the folded and changed into things I recognized, were doing this...

http://yooouuutuuube.com/v/?b=1&yt=Bn7HDBj9ZQQ&width=192&height=120&flux=0&direction=rand

Not with the tube and cube necessarily but the folding to get new things you can't describe. I don't know why the visuals were like that, anyone have any ideas?
 
holy fuck lol. sleep paralysis happens every single time you fall asleep. But some people will remain concious while their body falls asleep and thats how people experience it. The reason people trip out and see demons and hear shit is because its your brain beginning to form a dream and you start to hallucinate not knowing that you're actually just sleeping. And since dreams are 100% based on your expectations and memories, if you become scared and start tripping out, you will see scary shit and trip balls. I use SP because it literally lets me know that I'm sleeping and then I can turn it into a lucid dream. SP for me is literally only a tool to get into a lucid dream. Other than that its pretty scary. If you don't want to see scary shit then what I do is just keep my eyes closed and relaxed no matter what you hear or feel or who u think is in ur room and shit lol.
 
I've had it a few times, not on purpose. I've only experienced it when I got high as fuck when I had the flu, strep, and a really bad head cold. When I was going to bed, I couldn't walk or see really and I remember being completely delusional, which I didn't think was weird at the time for some reason. I hit my bed and I don't remember much until it was time to wake up and I physically couldn't open my eyes or move, and I thought I was dead.

That's all I remember because I think I passed out again right after that, but I totally thought I died which was neat.
 
Usually that shit happens to me alot when i have a really bad feaver. It is so fucking terrifying. Like i remember laying in my bed not bein able to move but i was consious but still in a dream and i could hear all of these voices in my head. I am like scared to go to bed sometimes when i get a feaver haha.
 
I get this a lot and it scares the shit out of me. I don't have to use sleep paralysis to start a lucid dream so I don't try it on purpose, but I regularly enter sleep paralysis while falling asleep normally. It feels like I'm falling asleep and then I hear a loud pop like someone burst a balloon on my head and I become conscious and try to move but I am completely unable and I start to see shadows or hear sounds or voices and I try wake myself up or move or snap out of it but I am completely unable and it is one of the most terrifying experiences I have. I have been getting more used to it and it does help to enter a lucid dream if you can control your mind but its weird as hell to think anyone would want that. Lucid dreaming is absolutely one of the best and most insane experiences though so it kinda goes both ways. But everyones bodies are in sleep paralysis while they are asleep, but what happens is sometimes the body shuts down to sleep while the consciousness of the brain stays functional. Really weird concept but cool to think about.
 
He's trying to be clever, and in a sense, he's right, but not in the sense that we're using the term "sleep paralysis".

While in REM sleep, the period of sleep thought to produce the most vivid dreams, the body secretes a hormone that does induce muscle atonia. The purpose is so that our bodies don't react and attempt to act out our dreams. It also regulates breathing, and generally shuts down/slows down body systems to conserve energy and whatnot. Ever had a dream just as you doze off where you jerk awake as you trip, or slip in a dream? That chemical/hormone hasn't been released yet.

So, yes, technically, "sleep paralysis" happens every night—but not the semi-wakeful phenomenon we've been talking about. Also, the "lol"s thrown in his response broke my heart.

People suggest that it's this hormone/chemical that is responsible for the unpleasant sleep paralysis we've been talking about.
 
I didn't know what sleep paralysis was before this thread. However I do trip the fuck out when falling asleep sometimes. Like I'll see vivid images of real world objects (not just shapes and colors but like a shoe for example). These images don't have any context (or at least it doesn't seem like it). They just kind of float in an out of existence while I'm beginning to fall asleep but still conscious. Is this the same thing? It happens most often when I'm napping mid day and not falling completely asleep.
 
...so ya it does happen every night when you fall asleep lol. sleep paralysis is just a dumb dreaming term for it.
 
You're right it does happen every time, its a mechanic from keeping you from physically acting out in your dreams. The kicker is whether or not your mind falls asleep like it should when your body does, or if you end up catching it before it can and thats what triggers it
 
yup bingo. Once you get used to it, you can learn to recognize it as it happens to you instead of dozing off into deep sleep. And as long as you stay relaxed, it will go away and you can lucid dream which is the shiiit. Literally coolest shit in the world. If anyones trippin out at this thread and shit or wants to learn about it go to dreamviews.com its a big online community of experts and learners teaching eachother and trying to learn new things. It helped me alot. Oh and going through "sleep paralysis" isnt the only way to lucid dream theres literally dozens of well known techniques. Get it at it if you wanna experience the craziest shit of your life.
 
You're a fucking fool. No, it doesn't happen every night, because we're talking about consciously experiencing paralysis while being semi-awake, not the physical process of hormones/chemicals entering the blood while we're asleep and not noticing. So, no, it's not a dumb dreaming term for it, it's a term to differentiate between an autonomic bodily function, and the conscious experiencing of that function in a semi-conscious state—which can happen to some people at any point during a night of sleep and isn't usually or always accompanied by a sense of comprehension and can be a really negative experience. I've had dozens of lucid dreams, and they've never been connected to sleep paralysis in any way.

And, you sound like a teenaged girl with the totally out of place "lol".
 
Sleep paralasys or whatever it's called is scary at first, yes. Happened to me a lot before, and I hated it, but as I got into lucid dreaming I started to be able to control it a bit. I usually fly up and spin, or venture outside my body and stuff like that.

And if I ever wake up and can't move, like some of you described, I can basically just blink and wake up for real.
 
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