Skrillex nominated for a Grammy! Best new artist?

It's usually experts or retirees in that particular segment.. my music theory prof is on the panel that picks which scores get nominated and win, as he's been in the movie and tv scoring game for decades.
 
it sounding like shit is just your personal opinion, it has nothing to do with the fact if dubstep is music or not. dubstep is a lot of bass modulation mixed with a SHIT load of knowledge about synthesis, along with knowing how to use a synthesizer, and that is if your doing it right.

what part about a synthesizer isnt music?

 
o my fucking god what is this world coming to music from hundreds of years ago was bearable but this is like listening to alvin and the chipmunks take shits
 
An electric guitar is as much not real music as a synthesizer. Why? They both rely on circuitry. Hendrix manipulated his guitar in ways that made extensive creative use of the circuitry in it and the amp, and that's how he got his sounds. What makes that different from a pianist playing a synthesizer with a sub bass sine wave and an LFO over it? Nothing. Synthesis is one of the most well-respected arts in music today, and it is also one of the most difficult. Not only do producers need to have an extensive knowledge of theory in order to do what they're doing, they are expected to create perfectly manufactured sounds, operating on certain frequency levels, using effects at different frequency levels, etc etc.... Its stupidly complicated, my piano training gave me a basis to work around for producing, and I use that knowledge and those skills every time I sit down at my computer, but I also need to learn loads about sound and its construction, which people that play "real instruments" don't need to know. I mean fuck, most bands hire a producer, an engineer, send their material off to get mastered.... Skrillex does all the above and he shreds guitar and is a competent vocalist.

Besides, people like you that say "oh it sounds like shit because its not from the 70s" are the same people that tried to put artists like Floyd, Hendrix, Dylan, etc down in the first place. You are career killers, and its an insult to the experimental, psychedelic, progressive nature of his music that you'd use his name and make such blatantly stupid statements. People like you turned the Beatles down. People like you turned Led Zeppelin down. Reconsider your musical opinions, if you want to be taken seriously.

And anyone that says "oh the scene is ruined now"... Its not about the stupid scene you fucking idiots, its about the music. Skrillex set out, took his own approach to his music, did what he wanted, and he is being rewarded extensively for it. And every producer out there that has done anything respects that, it just seems to be the people that haven't musically done shit or aren't trying to that hate on it. Taking drugs and partying =/= appreciating music.
 
I've been in the 'scene' for a long time, and the opinion i share with many other long time listeners is not that he's ruined the scene...it's him giving dubstep a bad name and portraying the genre as something that it is not. To follow the genre from it's conception and dedicate large parts of my life to it, then to witness it gain mainstream recognition for a sound that defies everything dubstep is about and frankly drags the genres name through mud...it's infuriating.

"And every producer out there that has done anything respects that, it just seems to be the people that haven't musically done shit or aren't trying to that hate on it" - sorry, but that's bollocks. 99% of people in the dubstep community that were listening before it went mainstream (/hipster) who were accustomed to the true sound, including most of the well known and respected producers, despise him. He skewed the sound to make it appeal to the masses, and has made dubstep a joke in the process. The only respect he should be given is that for his quality of production, nothing else. You don't need to produce to be able to appreciate/gauge the quality of production either. Having background knowledge may give you a slight advantage, but 'experts' and laypeople alike can usually tell badly produced songs from good. Again, you seem to be speaking for anyone and everyone that produces. I'd stop doing that if i were you. He is hated for different reasons too. Those who are new to the genre and hate it because of what they've heard on the radio, ukf etc are just making fools of themselves. They're hating something that isn't really even dubstep; pure ignorance. The other reason I've already stated.

Skrillex no doubt has skill, i just think it's a shame he cant use his talent to create decent music that has some soul, and not this garbage that straight up blasphemes the name of dubstep.
 
Skrillex doesn't even produce Dubstep, its something completely different (I think you'll agree with me here). Inspired by it, yes, but its definitely not dubstep. Skrillex won't even call his music dubstep any more. I don't know if he realized he was doing something completely different when he made it but he definitely knows now. Who despises skrillex? Can you show me an interview with a name of some weight in the scene or anywhere that they hate on him? I don't think its true, besides dubstep is evolving. I love the darkness of it which is why I'm trying to produce it, I'm not overly interested in the ridiculous skrillex trend but I think what he's doing is dope nonetheless, his productions are insane, they hit like a bag of bricks, and its worth listening to for those reasons. I didn't even use the word dubstep in my first post.

Its larger than sub bass, half time feel and wobbles now, the work that early pioneers did has opened up an entire world of bass music, its huge now and will keep growing. But mainstays like Skream, Benga, Caspa, Rusko, etc will always be around and they will always be dubstep. And fuck UKF and its garbage. You'll notice that people like Datsik are even starting to say that they're not producing dubstep at this point, its gone beyond that and they're doing drums with different feels, tracks at different tempos, different production techniques etc.

What do you think of Rottun and what they're doing? Just curious. I 100% stand by my opinion and will not budge, but I always wonder what people that are concerned over the whole skrillex thing think about Rottun. I love that label and I think what they're doing blows skrillex's attempts at heavier material out of the water, while still staying truer to roots (at least the darkness aspects, maybe not the dub-remixed 2 step ideas, but those were gone a long time ago).
 
You make some good arguments here. I think the main thing that's lost when one guy does all the work is the connection formed between musicians when caught up in the moment of creating music, ie collective jamming & improvisation. When musicians are able to share their ideas through their instruments in a democratic, non-constrained setting, thats when the magic truly happens, imho. Whether or not an audience is present generally makes no real difference, the energy between the players can be unbelievably powerful, and the audience just adds another angle to bounce that energy off of. Think about how bebop came to fruition, it was the guys who appeased the masses during the day, then stayed up all night getting stoned and drunk and simply jamming for hours. I mean shit, Miles would play with his back to the audience, not because he was disdainful of them, but rather because they were coming to experience the magic of the music being created, instead of being pandered to, like what popular music was doing at the time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that true musical inspiration doesn't necessarily come from sitting alone at your computer all night, tracking synths. That is simply one individual's interpretation of an idea, which can only be taken so far. The idea of musical collaboration is slowly being lost in our society of "I am the greatest." I am a firm believer in the power of live music, and when I saw the G3 guitar concert back in 2007, three guitar virtuosos played at the same time, trading bars, and created melodies and harmonies that instilled emotions so powerful that they gave me some serious chills. Yes, still kinda baked from last night. Time to ski!
 
I completely agree. Pink Floyd would have been nothing without all its members, arguably Gilmour and Waters would never have gotten anywhere by themselves despite their talent. It was that opportunity that they needed and that took them somewhere. I'd say inspiration doesn't necessarily come from tracking synths all night by yourself, but it definitely can, in the same way that composers can sit at a piano or scoring software and write amazing music. But its just never going to be jammable haha, which is something thats definitely lost. Although I think there will soon be ways to work around that. Live programming is getting more and more possible all the time, it just needs to get to the point where you have a group of people controlling drum machines, synthesizers, effects, etc and all working off each other without playing a pre-programmed set... And it needs to sound good which is another challenge haha.
 
i'm bored and couldn't think where else to put this. mildly humorous.

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This implies that any electronic artist needs anything other than an iPod with the 5 second fade on plugged into speakers to do a show.
 
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