Ski prices ?

hello ns

can someone explain to me why some skis are way more exspensive than others. Like on3p for example, what goes into their skis to make them so ridiculously exspensive compared to a ski like the poacher that you can find for like 300 new.

That is all have a fantastic weekend

hope everyone goes skiing ?
 
On3ps are made in America, they also give their employees actual benefits and good salaries. The skis are also great quality. Skis like Vishnus are made in China by shit-paid workers.
 
Got my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2024 at 10:01:54am
 
1. Price point. How much is the cost of production and how much your charging. Thats profit. Hand made stuff takes way longer to produce, so less is produced at the same price as labor costs. Price will have to factor that.

2. Quantity. More you make in a factory, the less the unit costs to produce and ship.

3. Perceived value. What does the manufacturer think the value is based on demand and quality. Thats mrsp.

4. Supply chain access. Bigger companies have more capital to invest into bigger production. Long time players have solid partnerships with distributers and can reduce supply chain costs.
 
14595360:Jems said:
Got my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2024 at 10:01:54am

Should I get jemskis instead
 
14595360:Jems said:
Got my magnus 90s for $550 back in 2019, most of their park skis now kind of seem like a ripoff to me. Who’s anss thought it wwould be a good idea to sell PARK skis for $800+???? Armada jacked the fuck out of the prices and i’m not even sure if they fixed their sidewalls which loved to blow out. Tbh ski prices going up like 40% in only a few years feels like a scam.

**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2024 at 10:01:54am

Inflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.
 
14595389:eheath said:
Inflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.

I aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.
 
14595357:Rock_Inhabitant said:
On3ps are made in America, they also give their employees actual benefits and good salaries. The skis are also great quality. Skis like Vishnus are made in China by shit-paid workers.

Pretty sure vishnus are made in the DPS factory, and also pretty sure they got HPDE sidewalls which greatly improve the life on the ski whether you’ve got edges or not. Vishnu makes affordable skis and the radical design of the wet is inherently not gonna ensure durability.
 
14595396:Mr.Chuckles said:
Proof that jemsskis don’t exist lol. Just set yourself up for a big lawsuit buddy boy.

bro i’ll literally send you a pair right now please tell me your address and social security number
 
14595394:Jems said:
I aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

You live in a fantasy world.
 
14595394:Jems said:
I aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

child labor ski group reference
 
Also your twice drilled “custom” ON3Ps with core shots and edge cracks are not worth 500 dollars because you paid 1100 for them new
 
I been selling and working on skis for a lotta years. In terms of the big brands, cost go up, quality go down. K2 is the prime example. I got buddies still on their old Petittors, hellbents, maidens etc. but nowadays k2 group products are the worst victim of shrinkflation. Putting 10 year old skis right beside their modern counterparts is really telling. So if you’ve got skis that are priced way higher than competitors, with few exceptions it’s because their inflation strategy was to increase prices instead of cost cutting their product with cheaper materials and outsourcing manufacturing.

Nowadays consumption in skiing is off the chains. Every year, new graphic, blow out the old ones. That’s reason 1 that you see poachers for 300$.

reason 2 is they’re outsourced. mass produced in China. Cheaper to risk it for the biscuit and have 15% of them blow up than make sure every ski is dialed. Most warrantys are 2 years, and that’s based on the average consumer who skis 14 days a year.

even though I’m grinding planks all day, I still stop to admire when a gorgeous pair comes in. On3ps, J’s, etc. so are they gonna be twice the ski for twice the price? Honestly, yeah. The craftsmanship is second to none. It’s in the details for sure, but you can really feel the difference in trim.

Caveat being, if you hit a big enough rock, the 850$ skis are gonna blow up just the same as the $300 sale pair. So that’s where the point of diminishing returns is. Ideal conditions, I do genuinely believe a pair of 3ps would outlast the poachers by more than double. But if something non-ideal happens, you’re still out double the $.
 
14595389:eheath said:
Inflation my man, maybe you haven't noticed but everything is 20-40% more now.

Bottom line inflation numbers are mostly food, energy, shelter though. Consumer goods prices have not increased that much. You could argue that skis especially those handmade by a domestic manufacturer are luxury goods and therefore not subject to the same price pressures as commodity goods.
 
14595447:Non_State_Actor said:
Bottom line inflation numbers are mostly food, energy, shelter though. Consumer goods prices have not increased that much. You could argue that skis especially those handmade by a domestic manufacturer are luxury goods and therefore not subject to the same price pressures as commodity goods.

Incorrect but good try.
 
14595397:Jems said:
Pretty sure vishnus are made in the DPS factory, and also pretty sure they got HPDE sidewalls which greatly improve the life on the ski whether you’ve got edges or not. Vishnu makes affordable skis and the radical design of the wet is inherently not gonna ensure durability.

*Made in China by the same OEM (GP87) that also builds a portion of DPS's lineup, among other brands
 
topic:Evancantspin said:
hello ns

can someone explain to me why some skis are way more exspensive than others. Like on3p for example, what goes into their skis to make them so ridiculously exspensive compared to a ski like the poacher that you can find for like 300 new.

That is all have a fantastic weekend

hope everyone goes skiing ?

Boe Jiden
 
14595394:Jems said:
I aware. I know nothing about the logistics, supply chain, labor, and material costs associated with ski manufacturing, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a little scammy (i’m probably wrong as hell but idc). More so in Armada’s case, if they didn’t legitimately improve the durability of the ARV then the $150 price mark up is lame. On the bright side the new ARVs do look pretty awesome.

If their skis weren't selling to their target audience, they wouldn't be priced so high either. Combination of cost to produce and sell as someone mentioned in addition to price elasticity.
 
Used ON3Ps are such a joke, like you paid a gazillion dollars and you wanna sell them? Especially customs “I don’t like them” mfer YOU made the ski. Then when you do sell them they’re above $400 with mount holes drilled into the ski and edge cracks.

14595424:skierman_jack said:
Also your twice drilled “custom” ON3Ps with core shots and edge cracks are not worth 500 dollars because you paid 1100 for them new
 
14595444:Benchhitter said:
On3ps, J’s, etc. so are they gonna be twice the ski for twice the price? Honestly, yeah. The craftsmanship is second to none. It’s in the details for sure, but you can really feel the difference in trim.

Are they really though? Not disputing that handmade skis with better materials are gonna be better skis but I doubt they last twice as long. Doesn't seem like any company has an adequate solution to edge cracks from repeatedly hitting rails.
 
14595401:eheath said:
You live in a fantasy world.

If he's wrong then someone please explain it to me like I'm an idiot (not far off tbh.) Armadas have gone up significantly in price, even compared to other manufacturers, as far as I know. Does inflation and manufacturing related costs actually account for all of this or are they being greedy to an extent? The latter seems more likely to me
 
14595637:Christian_Bale said:
If he's wrong then someone please explain it to me like I'm an idiot (not far off tbh.) Armadas have gone up significantly in price, even compared to other manufacturers, as far as I know. Does inflation and manufacturing related costs actually account for all of this or are they being greedy to an extent? The latter seems more likely to me

Its both.
 
14595637:Christian_Bale said:
If he's wrong then someone please explain it to me like I'm an idiot (not far off tbh.) Armadas have gone up significantly in price, even compared to other manufacturers, as far as I know. Does inflation and manufacturing related costs actually account for all of this or are they being greedy to an extent? The latter seems more likely to me

IMO its both, material costs have definitely gone up but Armada is also FINALLY cashing in on easily one of the strongest brands in skiing. When they sold to Amer, they did 10m in sales that year yet sold the entire brand for only 4m...
 
14595636:Christian_Bale said:
Are they really though? Not disputing that handmade skis with better materials are gonna be better skis but I doubt they last twice as long. Doesn't seem like any company has an adequate solution to edge cracks from repeatedly hitting rails.

Yeah i consistently tune for working skiiers (railpigs, Patrol, coaches) coming in with some of the more well made skis that have lasted 500+ working days. Then based on how many warranties I write up and the common culprits as far as wall skis, yeah I’d say way way more than twice as long.

when some skis crack edges they pull out and take the whole ski with them. With better skis they’re harder to crack, the laminate is better and usually doesn’t bring the edge out. If you’re familiar with how a ski is made and laminated you can kinda see how those steps will affect edges breaking. I don’t wanna get too deep down the specifics and semantics rabbit hole but there are different types of edges, there are variations in metal type between skis, and edges are one of the first things to go when shrinking a ski. I can’t fix the whole edge pulling out of the lam, but I can help you out if you lose a chunk or break it at a point.
 
14595920:Benchhitter said:
With better skis they’re harder to crack, the laminate is better and usually doesn’t bring the edge out. If you’re familiar with how a ski is made and laminated you can kinda see how those steps will affect edges breaking.-

I'm not familiar lol but I have noticed that the edges came out cleaner on the more expensive skis I've owned, compared to the cheaper ones.
 
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