Shortest "adult" park ski?

jakeordie

jakeordie

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Looking for something that probably don't exist;

- full sandwich construction

- full camber

- close to 80mm waist

- close to 150cm length

The closest I've seen are all-mountain youth skis (e.g. Faction CT 0.5, Rossi Black Ops 80) but they're rockered, and at 150 I need all the running length I can get. Is there any "adult" park ski shorter than mid-160s?

**This thread was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 3:41:20pm
 
At that length, you’d probably have to go to a woman specific design. Just checking evo rn shows the honeybee in size 144 and 155.

**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 5:10:15pm
 
14068037:Young_IPMC said:
At that length, you’d probably have to go to a woman specific design. Just checking evo rn shows the honeybee in size 144 and 155.

**This post was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 5:10:15pm
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92 waist :/

The TW shorty is 149 @ 72 waist, bit skinny and rockered.
 
The Caddy or the Stiffer Framewall starts the “adult” sizes at 161cm and the jr kids versions goes from 131cm-151cm. Just a bit of Flat rocker to prevent tips catching so mostly camber.

Kids around 80-90lbs skiing the 151cm version and those over 100lbs maybe the 161cm. Like all skis, they will be softer in the shorter lengths. Smaller adults/teens will be on the 171cm or 176cm.
 
14068112:Greg_K said:
The Caddy or the Stiffer Framewall starts the “adult” sizes at 161cm and the jr kids versions goes from 131cm-151cm. Just a bit of Flat rocker to prevent tips catching so mostly camber.

Kids around 80-90lbs skiing the 151cm version and those over 100lbs maybe the 161cm. Like all skis, they will be softer in the shorter lengths. Smaller adults/teens will be on the 171cm or 176cm.
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Sounds like you have hands-on experience with skis like this, how would you compare the Caddy Jr in 151 to Armada Coda in 150.....stiffer? Stronger/more durable? Or pretty much the same.
 
14068113:jakeordie said:
Sounds like you have hands-on experience with skis like this, how would you compare the Caddy Jr in 151 to Armada Coda in 150.....stiffer? Stronger/more durable? Or pretty much the same.
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Armada Coda has cap construction, extruded bases and very soft flex so it will be durable on rails and will resist topsheet chipping more. Great kids ski but I sure wouldn’t be putting an Adult on them.

The Caddy has a full sidewalk and I THINK the Jr version does too along with faster(but not as beefy) race bases. I know Head The Show uses cap construction so it might be more similar to the Armada Coda although the 154cm Show will be stiffer. Again, great kids skis but get an Adult versions for an Adult.

Looking online, I guess the Framewall starts their sizes at 161cm and the non jr Caddy at 171cm, so your best bet on a ski for a VERY small adult would be the 161cm Framewall. Framewall is the Caddy with a 360 degree wrap around sidewall that makes it a bit stiffer, damper and helps resist chipping. Fantastic ski if someone is not skiing many rails.
 
14068134:Greg_K said:
Armada Coda has cap construction, extruded bases and very soft flex so it will be durable on rails and will resist topsheet chipping more. Great kids ski but I sure wouldn’t be putting an Adult on them.

The Caddy has a full sidewalk and I THINK the Jr version does too along with faster(but not as beefy) race bases. I know Head The Show uses cap construction so it might be more similar to the Armada Coda although the 154cm Show will be stiffer. Again, great kids skis but get an Adult versions for an Adult.

Looking online, I guess the Framewall starts their sizes at 161cm and the non jr Caddy at 171cm, so your best bet on a ski for a VERY small adult would be the 161cm Framewall. Framewall is the Caddy with a 360 degree wrap around sidewall that makes it a bit stiffer, damper and helps resist chipping. Fantastic ski if someone is not skiing many rails.
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Yeah, but what I'm really after is like a 151 Framewall.....I've skied AR7s in 161 and NFXs in 160, and both made me feel like I could go 150 if the ski was built right.

That Caddy Jr looks about as close as I'll get.
 
14068137:jakeordie said:
Yeah, but what I'm really after is like a 151 Framewall.....I've skied AR7s in 161 and NFXs in 160, and both made me feel like I could go 150 if the ski was built right.

That Caddy Jr looks about as close as I'll get.
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Armada AR7 and the NFX are both full camber and the NFX is a very stiff, unforgiving ski especially for lighter skiers. NFX is awesome at speed and very stable but not a playful ski.

The Caddy or Framewall will be more forgiving in flex and with it’s slight rocker will ski shorter. I’d say the 161cm Framewall would be perfect and you’d get a much better constructed ski than the JR versions.
 
Bumping this thread with a couple new options;

- Elan Slingshot in 149cm

- Atomic Bent 85 in 150cm

I get the impression neither one is full sidewall, but neither line seems to be pitched as junior skis. Any feedback on how these will hold up as "adult" skis? Thanks!
 
topic:jakeordie said:
Looking for something that probably don't exist;

- full sandwich construction

- full camber

- close to 80mm waist

- close to 150cm length

The closest I've seen are all-mountain youth skis (e.g. Faction CT 0.5, Rossi Black Ops 80) but they're rockered, and at 150 I need all the running length I can get. Is there any "adult" park ski shorter than mid-160s?

**This thread was edited on Oct 19th 2019 at 3:41:20pm
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I’m in the opposite boat. Can barely find skis tall enough, and still growing :(
 
14466920:jakeordie said:
Bumping this thread with a couple new options;

- Elan Slingshot in 149cm

- Atomic Bent 85 in 150cm

I get the impression neither one is full sidewall, but neither line seems to be pitched as junior skis. Any feedback on how these will hold up as "adult" skis? Thanks!
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It’s been 3 years dude why do you want these short kiddo skies so bad
 
14467128:powpatrol said:
It’s been 3 years dude why do you want these short kiddo skies so bad
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I started skiing at 37, too old for my knee ligaments to get the message and level up like they do for skiers that start young. But I've been sending on blades forever, so landing bolts is no problem. Short skis is one more thing I can do to keep myself in the game as long as possible.
 
14467138:jakeordie said:
I started skiing at 37, too old for my knee ligaments to get the message and level up like they do for skiers that start young. But I've been sending on blades forever, so landing bolts is no problem. Short skis is one more thing I can do to keep myself in the game as long as possible.
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fair enough that
 
Head Oblivion JR Junior comes in 151 and 161 both with an 82mm waist. Its pretty much exactly what you are describing.
 
14467420:Lennt said:
Head Oblivion JR Junior comes in 151 and 161 both with an 82mm waist. Its pretty much exactly what you are describing.
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Thanks for the heads-up on this one. Head says the Oblivion has a "beefed up construction" compared to the Caddy, not sure if this applies to the Jr. I kinda held off on the Caddy Jr because of the weird sizing transition they use.....might sound like semantics, but I'd be much happier if the Jr line ended at 141 and the 151 got pitched as an adult ski. Or just drop the Jr and let young & old choose their length from 131 up to 181.
 
14467743:jakeordie said:
Thanks for the heads-up on this one. Head says the Oblivion has a "beefed up construction" compared to the Caddy, not sure if this applies to the Jr. I kinda held off on the Caddy Jr because of the weird sizing transition they use.....might sound like semantics, but I'd be much happier if the Jr line ended at 141 and the 151 got pitched as an adult ski. Or just drop the Jr and let young & old choose their length from 131 up to 181.
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In terms of Head JR is their 9 ~15 line and JRS is their childrens line. The JR line is just as tough as the Adult line in terms of build quality. It just has a different flex profile than the adult line. Also they are priced lower than the adult line because they use less material. If you go to a Slalom or a Mogul ski they will likely have something in the 150s that has a flex pattern for an average adults height and weight. I too enjoy a shorter ski in the park sometimes but the smallest Ill go is around 160. I skiied the Caddy JR in 161 and didnt have any issues with proformance or durability. However I think having something closer to 90 waist is more comfortable on rails so Ive kinda transitioned away from the 80s. If you have a problem with the JR part of the name you can always throw a white or red sticker over that part of the ski and it will look exactly like the adult ski.
 
14467753:Lennt said:
In terms of Head JR is their 9 ~15 line and JRS is their childrens line. The JR line is just as tough as the Adult line in terms of build quality. It just has a different flex profile than the adult line. Also they are priced lower than the adult line because they use less material. If you go to a Slalom or a Mogul ski they will likely have something in the 150s that has a flex pattern for an average adults height and weight. I too enjoy a shorter ski in the park sometimes but the smallest Ill go is around 160. I skiied the Caddy JR in 161 and didnt have any issues with proformance or durability. However I think having something closer to 90 waist is more comfortable on rails so Ive kinda transitioned away from the 80s. If you have a problem with the JR part of the name you can always throw a white or red sticker over that part of the ski and it will look exactly like the adult ski.
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The word Jr on the topsheet is no problem. The flex pattern as you said and other construction details are the problem. I like that JLev got rid of the Max and offers the Joyride in Max lengths, it takes that grey area out of the equation. Ski companies can tell themselves the Jr matters less 'cos little Johnny weighs 80lb and dad's the one paying.

I don't really want to ski 90 underfoot but if the tip & tail width is in the same ballpark as short 80s then it's an option.

Are there any true twin slalom or mogul skis?
 
14467757:jakeordie said:
The word Jr on the topsheet is no problem. The flex pattern as you said and other construction details are the problem. I like that JLev got rid of the Max and offers the Joyride in Max lengths, it takes that grey area out of the equation. Ski companies can tell themselves the Jr matters less 'cos little Johnny weighs 80lb and dad's the one paying.

I don't really want to ski 90 underfoot but if the tip & tail width is in the same ballpark as short 80s then it's an option.

Are there any true twin slalom or mogul skis?
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The flex pattern is designed for people who are likely to ski that size though. Even on the adult sizes the flex patterns change slightly between sizes. If a 150 had the same flex as a 180 the people who really need the 150s wouldnt be able to work the ski as the manufacturer intends the ski to work.

Mogul and SL skis are intended by the manufacturer to be skiied at a shorter size because of the goal is a tighter radius. I dont think anyone is making either twin tipped though as they are a specialized ski and not really intended to be skiied switch.

If you are looking for a super stiff 80 waisted park ski I would highly recommend the Head Framewalls from 2021. At 161 they were the stiffest park ski Ive ridden and handled all mountain better than a lot of other skis. If you are willing to add 10cm Ide go with them.

At 161 the Head Caddy JR was a bit softer than the Framewall but was still too stiff to washout on a bad landing or to throw an easy butter.

The Oblivion line is right in the middle of the Framewall and the Caddy in terms of stiffness. The Oblivion topsheet is a lot tougher than the Caddy or the Framewall too.

The JR variant is just a smaller verson of the normal ski with a flex pattern to make it feel the same as the bigger one. The construction will be the exact same build quality.

Head park skis are generally made for big jumps and sliding rails perfectly. So even if you are bigger than head intends the rider to be they will still feel on the stiffer side.
 
Maybe I misunderstood when you said;

14467753:Lennt said:
The JR line is just as tough as the Adult line in terms of build quality. It just has a different flex profile than the adult line.
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I read this as meaning the Jr in 151 would have a different flex profile than a theoretical adult line 151. In other brands, I've noticed a big step down in stiffness from their high-150s adult line skis to their low 150s youth line skis.

So I'm not keen to get suckered by marketing hype in buying a junior ski. What I really want is like a 151 Framewall or a 150 NFX, but most brands step down to Jr construction in the mid 150s.

The one ski that might change my mind is the Bent 90 in 157.....that HRZN tech will make them ski shorter and narrower in tip & tail than the numbers say. Might even be able to dremel that ABS down a bit :)
 
14467793:jakeordie said:
Maybe I misunderstood when you said;

I read this as meaning the Jr in 151 would have a different flex profile than a theoretical adult line 151. In other brands, I've noticed a big step down in stiffness from their high-150s adult line skis to their low 150s youth line skis.

So I'm not keen to get suckered by marketing hype in buying a junior ski. What I really want is like a 151 Framewall or a 150 NFX, but most brands step down to Jr construction in the mid 150s.

The one ski that might change my mind is the Bent 90 in 157.....that HRZN tech will make them ski shorter and narrower in tip & tail than the numbers say. Might even be able to dremel that ABS down a bit :)
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I think as you step down from 180 to 130 the skis get gradually more flexable. What you want is a ski thats supposed to be skiied short rather than a ski thats made to fit a short person. Thats rough man. I would still checkout the JR in person if possible. It really does look like the perfect 151/81.
 
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