Sexism in Skiing

Interesting concept: If the women's prize purse is going to be lower make the cost of entry lower in order to entice more women, seems somewhat fair if you're competing for less money then you should not be expected to pay the same amount as those who are competing for 2 to 3 times that amount. Maybe I'm wrong though, I'm open to constructive criticism on this idea.
 
13911616:JWillySkeez said:
Interesting concept: If the women's prize purse is going to be lower make the cost of entry lower in order to entice more women, seems somewhat fair if you're competing for less money then you should not be expected to pay the same amount as those who are competing for 2 to 3 times that amount. Maybe I'm wrong though, I'm open to constructive criticism on this idea.
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The purse for alot of smaller events is based on the amount of people that are competing in said event
 
13911562:r30FIS said:
Seems like a whole lot of crying going on for no reason. They got their own bracket to race for something rather than getting there shit kicked in being put with the men for this event. But hey its 2018.
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haha I would be surprised how many enter that event. It will show the large disparity in skill level
 
I didn't realize this thread was still crawling along.

Lets just get rid of men and womens categories and everyone can be treated equal. Everyone will have the chance to win the same $$$. We can get rid of age categories as well.

Higher prize $ plus bigger competition to push progression.

Would that make everyone happy?
 
Not sure it should be equal purely because of numbers. Sorry but there is more competition for men and more people they have to beat to win money. I know a lot of people have said this in the thread but let's use the Carinthia Open as an example. Granted it is a smaller event now a days, even five years ago it was much larger. I remember the mens spots would fill up and you would have to out do 99 other competitors in order to win 5 grand. However there were some years that only 3 or 4 women did the comp and first place would still get like 2500 or 3000 I believe. Seemed a little unfair to men almost that the women could win 3000 dollars for doing a 360 and maybe a 720 on the last jump. I even recall my father joking to my sister one year that she should learn to hit a jump to make some money because the girl who got third literally straight slid all the rails and straight aired the jumps and was awarded like 500$. 500$ to straight air a jump? I should have worn a wig. As long as there is a gap in the skill level and competitor numbers then there should be a gap in the pay out as well.
 
13911866:theabortionator said:
Lets just get rid of men and womens categories and everyone can be treated equal. Everyone will have the chance to win the same $$$. We can get rid of age categories as well.

Higher prize $ plus bigger competition to push progression.

Would that make everyone happy?
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/thread /feminism
 
13911866:theabortionator said:
I didn't realize this thread was still crawling along.

Lets just get rid of men and womens categories and everyone can be treated equal. Everyone will have the chance to win the same $$$. We can get rid of age categories as well.

Higher prize $ plus bigger competition to push progression.

Would that make everyone happy?
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This. I posted the same thing about a week ago in this thread and nobody responded. Please, somebody try and argue with this, it will put the whole question of sexism to bed.
 
13912693:BedBugDoug said:
This. I posted the same thing about a week ago in this thread and nobody responded. Please, somebody try and argue with this, it will put the whole question of sexism to bed.
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Oh thank jebus. I was terrified when I saw a quoted post for this thread. Thought it would be another wild logic defying post.
 
13912693:BedBugDoug said:
This. I posted the same thing about a week ago in this thread and nobody responded. Please, somebody try and argue with this, it will put the whole question of sexism to bed.
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Realistically, girls are worse at skiing right now across the board. If there was only one contest then we would have the same people getting heated about equal pay now getting heated about not having any representation or female role models on the tour. With only one competition, I really struggle to see a single woman making the FWT (sorry ladies).

For those not getting the argument about why guys contests have a higher purse, think of it like poker. You have two groups who all pay the same amount to sit at the table. One group has 20 people, and the winner of those 20 wins the entry fee from the other 19. The other group has 100 people, and thus 5 times the amount of money at stake. The winner of the 100 person group has to beat 99 people compared to 19. For that, they win more money even if both groups loved poker a ton and were all great poker players.
 
13907762:PinsAndNeedles said:
I absolutely do. Here's what I want to know: Put yourself in the female competitor's boots. You want to compete in that competition. Are you okay with it?
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Do you think it is unfair that women in the WNBA get paid a fraction of what men in the NBA do? If you do you are a complete idiot. When women generate the revenue men do they will get paid the way the men do.

The vast majority of people who are into freeskiing are men, there simply is not all that much money in supporting women. Until there is, they will not be paid the same. Women are simply not as marketable as men because far fewer women care about this sport. Just look at any mountain town, the vast majority of serious skiers are men. Until more women are seriously into freeskiing they will simply not be paid what men are paid. You will probably argue that if they put more money into it more women would be inspired, but if you are working for Red Bull do you want to risk your job on that? I certainly would not.

My comments are really not based on this contest, but on freeskiing in general. Female freeskiers don't have nearly as many fans as the men because there simply are not as many women that are seriously into the sport. Like I said before, the vast majority of people in ski towns are men, not women. The majority of people who are fans of this industry are men, not women. Until more women are into the sport it will simply not be worth it for sponsors to throw money at women. For a marketing director to target women could actually be a big success, or a huge failure. Like I said before, I would not take that risk.
 
13908259:skiponie said:
Hahahaha, yeah I'm totally in this for the money. Of course I'm not in it for the money? If I was in it from the money, I'd probably compete in something like fucking slope or racing or halfpipe that actually pays to be there. But that's not my jam, I like actual freeskiing.

I'm in these comps cause I FUCKING LOVE SKIING and I love my freeride family. Of course I'm not in it for the money. Obviously that's different in the other events. I don't know a single skier in it for the money. If you are, you're not a real skier. Also you never thought about what sponsors pay you for the podiums and/or footage. Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on what I spend my money on.

I'm mad because YES this affects me, unlike you. I do have to pay the same amount to get there and yet in the event that I do win, I don't get paid the same amount? How do YOU not see the inequality in that? Sure there's more men who enter, but after qualifiers, there's usually about the same amount of people they take to finals. Also if that's your biggest argument, there is statistically more men in the whole world than there are women..... So yeah good on ya, there's always going to be more men entering in most competitions. And yes, it is proven fact that men are better in certain physical aspects than women. Yes, that's a proven fact, COOL! Tell me something I don't know! You ever think that's why more men compete over women?

Does that automatically make it so that women's sports don't mean shit financially? It shouldn't but it is that way.

What's so bad to you about equality in pay?

I'm going to assume that you "the abortionator" (sick name BTW) aren't a competitive athlete. I could probably assume you probably don't have the best of luck with women for obvious reasons. Why are you so worked up about something that will not affect you and has probably never affected them in their life whatsoever. What's so bad about change?

The thing about skiing and ski competitions is that they are unlike anything else. We have a great community. I can't speak for other types of ski events but, us on the FWQ and FWT, we are a huge family, we all love each other, we are never weird or catty or competitive with each other, and none of us are in it for the money. Whoever said skiing will make you rich was literally nobody lol. And the fact that you said I'm not enjoying myself? Wow. Those are some of the funnest, most exhilarating fucking times I think I have ever had! Yeah I might be fucking broke and living in a goddamn ambulance cause I can't afford rent, or even a place to stay when I'm traveling, but I am one happy, ski loving, snow addicted motherfucker who loves to compete with all of her best friends who continue to push one another to go bigger, ski faster, and just simply have fun.

Again, there is something that needs to change financially with competitions and I'm surprised you can't see that.
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You are coming off as obnoxious and childish. I'm not going to comment on the FWT, but in regards to sponsorship when women are worth what Candide is worth they will be paid the same way.

Somehow I doubt you would have much luck with men anywhere other than a ski town. If you had to compete with women who had something going for them you would have some trouble.

Lindsay Vonn deserves what she gets. So did Sarah Burke. So did Ingrid Backstrom, all great skiers and inspirations. They are marketable, and worth every penny. But there are probably far more men who deserve sponsorship money and are not getting it than women.

The basketball comparisons are valid in discussing general pay standards in sports, that has been opened up in this thread so it is fine to explain it.

The male pros on the FWT don't make much from prize money either, it is really not a sport to be in it for the money.

For the record, skiing in general is not a sport where the women are getting screwed financially. The women's national soccer team, who get paid what the men do despite generating higher ratings and more revenue, would be a much better cause to take up.
 
13911866:theabortionator said:
I didn't realize this thread was still crawling along.

Lets just get rid of men and womens categories and everyone can be treated equal. Everyone will have the chance to win the same $$$. We can get rid of age categories as well.

Higher prize $ plus bigger competition to push progression.

Would that make everyone happy?
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There is certainly some logic in this. I don't know if I would support it, I actually like it that the women have their own contest, but on a certain level it makes sense.
 
13912843:dan4060 said:
There is certainly some logic in this. I don't know if I would support it, I actually like it that the women have their own contest, but on a certain level it makes sense.
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Dude he was being sarcastic…
 
13912838:dan4060 said:
Do you think it is unfair that women in the WNBA get paid a fraction of what men in the NBA do? If you do you are a complete idiot. When women generate the revenue men do they will get paid the way the men do.
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I absolutely do, and here's my proof of point. Don't call me a complete idiot without knowing your shit, you moronic wank.https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...-gap-in-professional-basketball/#1d8cbe4036e0

As for the rest, I've said my piece, and I'm not getting back into it.
 
its the competitions choice what they wanna make the purse and for who.

if there are less women, it makes sense.

unless theres a completely female competition, there are always gonna be less women.

if you think its unfair, don't go.

if you think that there should be more women in skiing?

more women GO SKIING.

y'all are bringing way too much pc into the ski scene

the abortionator's the only one i agree with who is actually saying anything
 
$10k to $1k seems a bit ridiculous but you gotta think of where that money’s coming from. The Sunday river jerries would much rather watch triple corks than single corks. So I think it’s fair men got more but the margin is def crazy
 
13913997:Cream_Sauce said:
I'm wondering what your opinion is on the University enrollment gender gap? Do you think it's fair that far more of one gender are enrolling in university?
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You know, I do think it's interesting that you bring up this example. Higher education is a prime example of when and where the proper support, programs, and money can really make a difference. By no means is it perfect (see STEM degree programs, enrollment by PoC, etc - which are still being worked on every day), but the place that HE is now vs where it was even 10 or 20 years ago is astonishing. Where in 98, the ratio of men enrolling to women was like 70-30, we're now almost consistently 50-50 at least, and sometimes 45-55. This didn't just happen by whim, but because of concerted efforts by all kinds of people to make it that way. Imagine what could happen to skiing if the same effort was applied.
 
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13914981:PinsAndNeedles said:
You know, I do think it's interesting that you bring up this example. Higher education is a prime example of when and where the proper support, programs, and money can really make a difference. By no means is it perfect (see STEM degree programs, enrollment by PoC, etc - which are still being worked on every day), but the place that HE is now vs where it was even 10 or 20 years ago is astonishing. Where in 98, the ratio of men enrolling to women was like 70-30, we're now almost consistently 50-50 at least, and sometimes 45-55. This didn't just happen by whim, but because of concerted efforts by all kinds of people to make it that way. Imagine what could happen to skiing if the same effort was applied.
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Women are enrolling and completing degrees at much higher rates than Men. It''s getting close to 60-40 in favor of Women. Do you think that's fair?
 
Comps are one thing, but we're seeing that all along it's been the viewership and that's why men's comp skiing historically had wayyyy higher money than any women's comp skiing.

To look at it from the flipside now, I'd bet anything that Eileen Gu, Mikaela Schiffrin, hell that gymnast from LSU, and anybody else who has millions of followers on instagram and other social media have way larger contracts with their sponsors than their male counterparts.

Money has always come with how much viewership you bring in for a brand/company/whatever and that really isn't ever going to change I don't think.
 
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