Seven Spring's Lawsuit

"Merinar said Gabriel Hudock, as a season ski-pass holder since 2007, was aware Neals Run closed in winter before he and his wife purchased property and built their second home in 2008."

Fucking entitled assholes. You knew what you were getting into. There's no way this will hold up in court
 
What pieces of shit. If this were to go through, then I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off riders decided to build a nice little roadblock.
 
13549372:treebeard said:
"Merinar said Gabriel Hudock, as a season ski-pass holder since 2007, was aware Neals Run closed in winter before he and his wife purchased property and built their second home in 2008."

Fucking entitled assholes. You knew what you were getting into. There's no way this will hold up in court
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Yeah what the fuck?

This same thing is happening at my home hill. There are houses built literally at the top of the hill and during the summer the hill has quad and dirtbike trails open. And the people up there are suing to shut down the moto programs because of noise. Like bitch you knew damn well want happens each summer, why would you move in there?

But it's hilarious because they're suing and when you sue you can't like come into contact with whatever/whoever. So they have about 10 feet of backyard before they come onto the hill's property so they're pretty secluded. They also will not be able to ski there until the lawsuit is settled(they're season pass holders). So they're basically fucking themselves over. It's awesome haha.
 
13549384:Mingg said:
But it's hilarious because they're suing and when you sue you can't like come into contact with whatever/whoever. So they have about 10 feet of backyard before they come onto the hill's property so they're pretty secluded. They also will not be able to ski there until the lawsuit is settled(they're season pass holders). So they're basically fucking themselves over. It's awesome haha.
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that's actually pretty funny. way to defeat the purpose of buying your house where you did. rich people do weird shit
 
I hope if these people win this lawsuit that people shovel snow deliberately to piss them off. I mean deal with it, its winter what do they expect. go back in your multi million dollar house if you have a problem. :0
 
waaaaahhh theyre making it difficult for us to build a multi million dollar 2nd home in prime real estate locations! So instead of dealing with matters like adults, we'll just act like the coddled entitled baby children we were raised to be and try to close a businesses doors that many people derive benefit and fun from. Take that, jerks! You messed with the wrong family!
 
Wtf. These people are causing millions of dollars in taxes and cause lots of inconvenience for 13,000 people so those 2 people can get to their house faster? What in the fuck.
 
13549577:DeebieSkeebies said:
waaaaahhh theyre making it difficult for us to build a multi million dollar 2nd home in prime real estate locations! So instead of dealing with matters like adults, we'll just act like the coddled entitled baby children we were raised to be and try to close a businesses doors that many people derive benefit and fun from. Take that, jerks! You messed with the wrong family!
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i love when hatred brings NS closer :)
 
I don't know what I'd do if seven springs closed. Especially for a reason that these people want their road to be open now. There will be alot of upset skiers and snowboarders if this happens. It's already not going to snow until middle December so they get a whole extra month to drive on their road!
 
I hear the only reason that family is suing is because springs wouldn't agree to build them a road in from the top. (which would affect seven springs future expansion goals)

They claim the existing driveway is too treacherous...

I wouldn't worry too much though,

seven springs has 300 employees standing by ready to testify in court.. They have millions of dollars too..
 
Guys, read the last paragraph. This isn't about their house.

They bought up a bunch of land during during the recession for pennies on the dollar. Now are trying to develop it but have no suitable access drive or likely any utility ROW. Basically, this couple is sitting on a million dollars of useless land right now.

Obviously this couple isn't going to actually shut down the run because it would hugely devalue their devepment, but idk the specifics for why they weren't allowed to build that other access drive? It could be some bullshit on the part of seven springs that brought all this about.
 
13549381:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
What pieces of shit. If this were to go through, then I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off riders decided to build a nice little roadblock.
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Let's fucking do it.
 
13549590:Swandog7 said:
Wtf. These people are causing millions of dollars in taxes and cause lots of inconvenience for 13,000 people so those 2 people can get to their house faster? What in the fuck.
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13550068:elcornholio said:
Let's fucking do it.
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Why is seven springs not allowing an access easement through a small section of their land? Currently seven springs is shutting down an entire public road- seems fair they would allow for an access easement...

There is probly a whole bunch of politicking going on right now from both sides.
 
13550078:californiagrown said:
Why is seven springs not allowing an access easement through a small section of their land? Currently seven springs is shutting down an entire public road- seems fair they would allow for an access easement...

There is probly a whole bunch of politicking going on right now from both sides.
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Because the road runs through the entire backside of the mountain. If they were to win this lawsuit, then more than half of seven springs' terrain is now inaccessible. These people just want to get some cash out of seven springs.
 
13550078:californiagrown said:
Why is seven springs not allowing an access easement through a small section of their land? Currently seven springs is shutting down an entire public road- seems fair they would allow for an access easement...

There is probly a whole bunch of politicking going on right now from both sides.
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There's two existing routs to the house, but its the same road all the way through (neals run road).

the section that is closed during the winter is an easier way in, but obviously closed due to the snow.. and the other side is a huge steep hill.

That steep hill is the only other way in to the property without having to cross the ski slopes, and seven springs would have to sacrifice future expansions if a road was cut across those slopes..
 
13550158:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Because the road runs through the entire backside of the mountain. If they were to win this lawsuit, then more than half of seven springs' terrain is now inaccessible. These people just want to get some cash out of seven springs.
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13550161:T-Pency said:
There's two existing routs to the house, but its the same road all the way through (neals run road).

the section that is closed during the winter is an easier way in, but obviously closed due to the snow.. and the other side is a huge steep hill.

That steep hill is the only other way in to the property without having to cross the ski slopes, and seven springs would have to sacrifice future expansions if a road was cut across those slopes..
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you both are totally missing it. Neals Road is just a bargaining chip.

the other road that the home owners and developers were hoping for is the real issue. Who did they buy the other properties from, and what were they told when they bought them? What are the reasons why the seven Springs utility district and seven springs will not allow for an access easement on a small portion of their land? What were the reasons the negotiations fell apart? etc...

there seems to be a lot more to this story, and coming from the developers POV it seems like Seven springs is entirely unwilling to negotiate because they feel they have all the power and will wield it to get their way... even if it technically isnt legal.

Id just like to hear the otherside as i have experience with this kind of thing and PR is used to unfairly shift blame and public sentiment.
 
13550176:californiagrown said:
you both are totally missing it. Neals Road is just a bargaining chip.

the other road that the home owners and developers were hoping for is the real issue. Who did they buy the other properties from, and what were they told when they bought them? What are the reasons why the seven Springs utility district and seven springs will not allow for an access easement on a small portion of their land? What were the reasons the negotiations fell apart? etc...

there seems to be a lot more to this story, and coming from the developers POV it seems like Seven springs is entirely unwilling to negotiate because they feel they have all the power and will wield it to get their way... even if it technically isnt legal.

Id just like to hear the otherside as i have experience with this kind of thing and PR is used to unfairly shift blame and public sentiment.
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Its the road that the home owners want cut that is the problem, that's what im getting at..

The only direction they can go is from the top of seven springs, past gunnar chair. They don't want a road running down lost girl because it would mean they could no longer plan on expanding to the western territory.

One of the biggest issues in this whole case is the fact that the property the house was built (along with a few more on the same road) actually slipped right through seven springs fingers when it came up for sale in the first place..

Seven springs was playing the waiting game for years trying to buy up that land, as well as white mountain..

The only other factor was the state forest, and they were trying to reach an agreement with them over the lease on the rest of the land.
 
13550215:T-Pency said:
Its the road that the home owners want cut that is the problem, that's what im getting at..

The only direction they can go is from the top of seven springs, past gunnar chair. They don't want a road running down lost girl because it would mean they could no longer plan on expanding to the western territory.

One of the biggest issues in this whole case is the fact that the property the house was built (along with a few more on the same road) actually slipped right through seven springs fingers when it came up for sale in the first place..

Seven springs was playing the waiting game for years trying to buy up that land, as well as white mountain..

The only other factor was the state forest, and they were trying to reach an agreement with them over the lease on the rest of the land.
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Sounds like seven springs is attempting to devalue the land so they can buy it cheap.

Idk what options the developer and the resort have gone through, but something smells a bit fishy here...
 
13550221:californiagrown said:
Sounds like seven springs is attempting to devalue the land so they can buy it cheap.

Idk what options the developer and the resort have gone through, but something smells a bit fishy here...
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Okay I was recently told some information.

As usual, 7 Springs is in the wrong.

The story: So there are a few houses back there. The old owner of seven springs had an agreement with both those people and the county. He would plow the secondary road to their houses in the winter time, and seven springs could use the county road for skiing. New owner of 7 springs comes along. He didn't want to plow the roads due to some bad blood between him and the Hudocks, so he didn't. But he failed to realize that he can't open the backside of the mountain, unless he plows the secondary road.
 
13550276:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Okay I was recently told some information.

As usual, 7 Springs is in the wrong.

The story: So there are a few houses back there. The old owner of seven springs had an agreement with both those people and the county. He would plow the secondary road to their houses in the winter time, and seven springs could use the county road for skiing. New owner of 7 springs comes along. He didn't want to plow the roads due to some bad blood between him and the Hudocks, so he didn't. But he failed to realize that he can't open the backside of the mountain, unless he plows the secondary road.
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Its not just that he doesn't want to plow Neals, he's pissed someone got one over on him.. Nutting will do everything he can to make waves with those property owners because, unless they sell those lots to him he cant build around them.

From what i've heard, the previous employee that was in charge of the research and development of the western territory let those properties sell right under nuttings nose because he knew he was about to lose his job, and wanted the last laugh..
 
13550391:Static said:
Any maps of this?
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This shows how it's on the slope.

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If you look above the yellow trail on the North Face, there's a gray road that goes across the slope.

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If you find where the canopy tours are, it's the curvy gray road that goes across.
 
13550276:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Okay I was recently told some information.

As usual, 7 Springs is in the wrong.

The story: So there are a few houses back there. The old owner of seven springs had an agreement with both those people and the county. He would plow the secondary road to their houses in the winter time, and seven springs could use the county road for skiing. New owner of 7 springs comes along. He didn't want to plow the roads due to some bad blood between him and the Hudocks, so he didn't. But he failed to realize that he can't open the backside of the mountain, unless he plows the secondary road.
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I work in land development and disputes like this are never as one sided as this story initially appeared. It's a combination of issues, usually with one side being unreasonable in their demands.

I hope the truth makes it out to the public...
 
Rich entitled assholes gonna asshole.

Seriously what the fuck is this shit. They new the situation, they built their home knowing that, they even had season passes to the fucking mountain, and now 8 years later they're suing?

Sound like they just want more $$$. I hope 7 springs beats them without settling.

Somebody should throw a snow gun at their car and just roast it. Put their car in a 20x 20 block of ice.

Maybe open a window in their house and do the same
 
13550276:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Okay I was recently told some information.

As usual, 7 Springs is in the wrong.

The story: So there are a few houses back there. The old owner of seven springs had an agreement with both those people and the county. He would plow the secondary road to their houses in the winter time, and seven springs could use the county road for skiing. New owner of 7 springs comes along. He didn't want to plow the roads due to some bad blood between him and the Hudocks, so he didn't. But he failed to realize that he can't open the backside of the mountain, unless he plows the secondary road.
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13550443:AlsoKnownAs said:
Rich entitled assholes gonna asshole.

Seriously what the fuck is this shit. They new the situation, they built their home knowing that, they even had season passes to the fucking mountain, and now 8 years later they're suing?

Sound like they just want more $$$. I hope 7 springs beats them without settling.

Somebody should throw a snow gun at their car and just roast it. Put their car in a 20x 20 block of ice.

Maybe open a window in their house and do the same
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read the above. There is always more to a situation when something seems this outrageously one-sided.

Id bet there is even more to it than that...
 
13550447:californiagrown said:
read the above. There is always more to a situation when something seems this outrageously one-sided.

Id bet there is even more to it than that...
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It's late and im half asleep. For once I thought maybe somebody would have shared something straight forward. When I saw the title I was like, hmm seems like there's probably more to this situation, but skimmed it and read a bit of the thread.

I don't care.

I don't ski there anyway.

YOLO
 
Well snowmaking temperatures arrive next week so we will see what will be done. And 280 acres is huge compared to my resort... Seven springs is a vacation to me.
 
Has million dollar home- cannot afford to buy snowmobile.

Has the use of a snowmobile ben considered?

Perhaps seven springs could just purchase them a snowmobile to gain access to their home and the shitstorm will settle.
 
If I didnt read the thread properly and sounded cranky as fuck, I was posting in between throwing up all over myself.

I had a blast last night.

Will re read later if I don't feel like garbage
 
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