Senate Filibuster

r00kie

r00kie

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Valuable tool or gotta go? Seems there's a lot of folks pushing to get rid of it since the power shift in January. What's NS think of it?
 
I say keep it but make it the old way where you actually have to stand there and talk the whole time. Shit was entertaining and requires some effort on the part of the politician (god forbid)
 
I never heard dems calling for it to be removed when Republicans had a majority. If they get rid of it and think it won't come back to bite them after not delivering on 2000 dollar checks (the only reason they won Georgia) they'll be sorely mistaken. With that said, I think most just want it to go back to the way it was before which is how I think it should be. Ted Cruz will just read from the cancelled dr Seuss books instead of green eggs and ham.
 
14271428:ronders_ said:
I say keep it but make it the old way where you actually have to stand there and talk the whole time. Shit was entertaining and requires some effort on the part of the politician (god forbid)
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I think maybe allow a 1 minute pee break especislly since women are in politics. Peeing in a can in the pulpit thing isn't so chill.
 
I didn't understand filibusters when I was 10 and I don't understand them now. Just duel for fucks sake, is it that hard to get a sword?
 
14271444:little1337 said:
I didn't understand filibusters when I was 10 and I don't understand them now. Just duel for fucks sake, is it that hard to get a sword?
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Everyone loves a good sword fight, the pg or not so pg versions.
 
I think it's good because it provides stability. If you get rid of it you'll have each party changing the rules back and fourth every 4 years.
 
14271454:Notaskibum said:
I think it's good because it provides stability. If you get rid of it you'll have each party changing the rules back and fourth every 4 years.
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Yeah seems a little nuts for dems to be wanting to push no filibuster after 4 years of Trump and a docile legislative branch. Without the filibuster they would have signed into law all manner of batshit crazy stuff.

At the same time it’s like yeah having brakes on power from the opposition is a good thing, seems like the modern senate just says if we are in the minority we aren’t agreeing to shit no matter what and it’s a serious hurdle to addressing national problems.
 
14271428:ronders_ said:
I say keep it but make it the old way where you actually have to stand there and talk the whole time. Shit was entertaining and requires some effort on the part of the politician (god forbid)
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People may not like Rand Paul but his Drone Filibuster was pretty badass:

 
14271592:SuspiciousFish said:
People may not like Rand Paul but his Drone Filibuster was pretty badass:

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Pretty much the only speech he’s ever made that wasn’t barf worthy
 
14271436:Craw_Daddy said:
I never heard dems calling for it to be removed when Republicans had a majority. If they get rid of it and think it won't come back to bite them after not delivering on 2000 dollar checks (the only reason they won Georgia) they'll be sorely mistaken. With that said, I think most just want it to go back to the way it was before which is how I think it should be. Ted Cruz will just read from the cancelled dr Seuss books instead of green eggs and ham.
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Requiring anything to have 60 votes unless it's forced through with budget reconciliation is undemocratic. Look at the numbers, the number of filibusters spiked when the rule changed to them not actually having to talk. Fewer things voted on, more grid lock. I fully support going back to the way it was before. They need to earn that grid lock.

No one cancelled dr suess. The company controlling distribution changed some things to reach a wider audience. That's what a private company in a capitalist system will do. It's all a bs distraction anyway because republicans have no political direction without trump, so they just cry about the culture war.

 
14272266:jompcock said:
Requiring anything to have 60 votes unless it's forced through with budget reconciliation is undemocratic. Look at the numbers, the number of filibusters spiked when the rule changed to them not actually having to talk. Fewer things voted on, more grid lock. I fully support going back to the way it was before. They need to earn that grid lock.

No one cancelled dr suess. The company controlling distribution changed some things to reach a wider audience. That's what a private company in a capitalist system will do. It's all a bs distraction anyway because republicans have no political direction without trump, so they just cry about the culture war.

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I mean when you get right down to it, anything outside of having direct ballots for literally every issue in the public sphere is undemocratic. You're kinda drawing an arbitrary line here dude... Representational democracies with rules around creating new laws are good because the vast majority of people are fucking stupid and don't understand the things they're voting on. With that said I agree with making senators earn it when they want to stop a vote on something. Which is what I said in my first comment.
 
14272460:Craw_Daddy said:
I mean when you get right down to it, anything outside of having direct ballots for literally every issue in the public sphere is undemocratic. You're kinda drawing an arbitrary line here dude... Representational democracies with rules around creating new laws are good because the vast majority of people are fucking stupid and don't understand the things they're voting on. With that said I agree with making senators earn it when they want to stop a vote on something. Which is what I said in my first comment.
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I never suggested we create laws based on popular opinion. I know what you mean, but I'm suggesting prosperity over utopia. I think popular vote should dictate who is elected president, but that's a topic for another discussion. I'm saying within the senate, the outcome with the most votes should be the one that is chosen. If it is a yes/no vote, then I think >50% support should pass,
 
14272460:Craw_Daddy said:
I mean when you get right down to it, anything outside of having direct ballots for literally every issue in the public sphere is undemocratic. You're kinda drawing an arbitrary line here dude... Representational democracies with rules around creating new laws are good because the vast majority of people are fucking stupid and don't understand the things they're voting on. With that said I agree with making senators earn it when they want to stop a vote on something. Which is what I said in my first comment.
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I think the underlying problem is that the 60 vote threshold was intended to be used sparingly on like really controversial big stuff - then Obama got elected and McConnell was like “oh you want to fill your cabinet with appointed positions like the constitution says you have to? Well fuck you were filibustering all your shit because fuck a black president in Kentucky.” And it’s basically been a downward spiral ever since.
 
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but seriously, without the filibuster this country would literally get out of control.

The government needs to have checks and balances. Otherwise we will oscillate between brave new world and atlas shrugged every 4 yrs.
 
14272615:Casey said:
I think the underlying problem is that the 60 vote threshold was intended to be used sparingly on like really controversial big stuff - then Obama got elected and McConnell was like “oh you want to fill your cabinet with appointed positions like the constitution says you have to? Well fuck you were filibustering all your shit because fuck a black president in Kentucky.” And it’s basically been a downward spiral ever since.
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Obama Care was literally the product of a conservative think tank and all the republicans voted against it. I don't understand why the Democrats think Republicans are gonna play nice if issues are met in the middle. It's like watching someone go back to a visibly abusive relationship over and over again.
 
14272690:jompcock said:
Obama Care was literally the product of a conservative think tank and all the republicans voted against it. I don't understand why the Democrats think Republicans are gonna play nice if issues are met in the middle. It's like watching someone go back to a visibly abusive relationship over and over again.
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Yup. Ending the filibuster would be a disaster.

AOC would be running around road warrior queefing ppl to death

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gBELRP6OS_k[/video]
 
14272694:DolansLebensraum said:
Yup. Ending the filibuster would be a disaster.
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I don't see anyone suggesting we end it totally. People need to talk. 60 vote min is bullshit.
 
14272700:jompcock said:
I don't see anyone suggesting we end it totally. People need to talk. 60 vote min is bullshit.
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The only thing former secretary of labor Robert Reich has tweeted since the election is 'abolish the filibuster.' A lot of social media activists calling it a relic of Jim Crow. Plenty of talk of getting rid of it all together.
 
"OUR GOOBERMANT CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE! THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING!"

"WE CAN'T GET RID OF THE PHILIBOOSTER! ITS TOO IMPORTANT TO KEEP SHIT FROM GETTING DONE!"

Are you kids fucking serious right now? Get rid of it so shit can start getting done. I don't care if I agree with it or not, the legislative branch has been broken by Mitch McConnell and Newt Gingrinch's scorched earth politics. Republicans ruined it, get rid of it
 
14272780:skierman said:
"OUR GOOBERMANT CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE! THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING!"

"WE CAN'T GET RID OF THE PHILIBOOSTER! ITS TOO IMPORTANT TO KEEP SHIT FROM GETTING DONE!"

Are you kids fucking serious right now? Get rid of it so shit can start getting done. I don't care if I agree with it or not, the legislative branch has been broken by Mitch McConnell and Newt Gingrinch's scorched earth politics. Republicans ruined it, get rid of it
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You realize democrats used it hundreds of times while they held a slim minority right? This idea the only republicans are scummy is very shortsighted.
 
14272787:r00kie said:
You realize democrats used it hundreds of times while they held a slim minority right? This idea the only republicans are scummy is very shortsighted.
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"They won't even be voted on. So think of me as the Grim Reaper" - Mitch McConnell

Some of the bi-partisan supported bills McConnell refused to bring to a vote in the Senate.

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14272828:guelah_papyrus said:
People seem to forgot she's worth $100+ million and is just another .1%er that needs to face the guillotine also.
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People seem to forget she married into wealth. Fucking idiots.
 
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