Self-made skiers

[weastcoat]

lol what. it looks like you are tryna be more cool by explaining why you are cool. that is small dick energy

I smell small dick energy. Shitting on those who work hard and earn every bit of success is small dick energy. And those people have the right to talk about it, others don’t, simply because their success wasn’t as earned as the blue collar kinda skier. Beta behavior. Stop being a pussy.

You must not have read this whole thread either, this isn’t all about me. It’s A mere PSA for those who have to literally earn their success from start to finish.

 

[weastcoat]

i hear you. i wanted to make a point but i didn't want to misunderstand, or make assumptions about, your position.

unless i am reading it wrong, it seems that you are OK with people spending money on ski gear/training/etc so long as they are purchasing it for themselves and not for someone else. so what exactly is wrong with a person who cares about another person buying them something (gear, lessons, etc.)? i don't think many people would turn down that sort of offer from a loved one. i personally worked all summer to save up for my new ski gear for each season but if my parents had been in a position to buy it for me, i definitely would not have said no (and i would have found something else to spend my money on).

additionally, i was a coach for several years after college and the only reason there were kids on the team at all was because of the willingness of their parents to pay the fee. none of the kids on the team were there because they, themselves, had saved up and paid for it. generally speaking, the sort of people who are eligible to be on ski teams (elementary, middle, and high school aged kids) are not providing for themselves, so it is only natural that their parents or family members are the ones paying for that stuff. if they hadn't, i wouldn't have had that job.

so it sort of seems like the best scenario for ALL parties.. parents take care of their kids, kids have a good life, other people have jobs as a result. am i missing something?

There isn’t anything wrong with that. I’ll be damned if I don’t support my kids when I grow up. I’m blessed to have a roof over my head and dinner to eat. my parents have done what they can for my skiing, while at the same time teaching me a great appreciation and a sense of responsibility.

It sounds like a dig against the kids who are blessed enough to receive financial and overall moral support by parents to pursue their love of skiing, but it’s really not. I just simply have way more respect for the self-made successes out there, even if they’re not on the level as ski academy kids or kids who are blessed and received financial help in some way shape or form.

I don’t think the “well money can’t make you good” argument is valid either. If you have any ounce of work ethic and dedication and go to a ski academy from age 12-18 or whatever, you’ll probably be better than most around you. It’s just a fact of the matter when you’re spending as much time in ski boots as you do in your normal shoes. It’s way easier to boost skiing when you literally do it nonstop with the help of coaches. 12 times harder to get to that same level when you have to do the stated things in my original thread post.

 

[ScootSkiLyfe]

Not sure why this is getting so much hate. I definitely have more respect for kids out there just grinding because they just love skiing/need an escape from other problems over kids who are just skiing because it looks cool and they have hella $$ for their parents to on ski academies. But I think a lot of kids at ski academies do work pretty damn hard at skiing and that is the reason they are there. One shouldn't be too envious of kids at those academies. I recognize that it would be infinitely easier to get really good at skiing if you went to an academy/ski camp as a kid compared to not having coaching.

I guess to me it doesn't matter that much how much money one skier's family may have. It really just depends what kind of a person they are. If they have a lot of money and are dickheads to people with less money/talk about money like everyone has as much as they do/don't understand how some people's families make less money than them then that pisses me off.

Like for example in high school I was on the race team. I went to a very small high school in the midwest that didn't have a lot of resources for our team, so we were on a co-op with other schools. We rode busses to comps with another team from a bigger town. And let me tell you, a good 2/3s of those kids could be absolute fucks with no concept of money and the fact that a lot of kids on the co-op team had no where near as much money. These bitches were pullin up with 3 pairs of skis just for fucking slalom while kids on the co-op team were on 10 year old groomer skis that their dads found at a ski swap. And it was annoying I will admit, just the way some of those kids behaved. Not all of them are like that though, and honestly I think a lot just don't know much better at that age or are around their rich parents who are also fucks to people with less.

The other day I heard a coworker (racer) who is definitely still in high school kid complaining and saying how "messed up" it is that so many kids at his school are on the free/discounted meal program. He said that their parents should just "get a job" and that McDonalds pays 15 an hour. That shit pissed me off, but I got to try and remember this is some spoiled ass racer kid that obviously hasn't seen some of the shit that people can go through in life. Anyways, just be a nice fucking person and it won't matter. Help others when you can, ask others for help when you need it.

PS I think the sport I respect the most is skateboarding. That shit is so gnarly and such an escape for people who a lot of times really need it and have no where near the resources/access to skiing.

Also skiing in the midwest is 100x more accessible than skiing out west so that helps.

 

[bennwithtwons]

without a doubt, money is never going to hurt you in the pursuit of improvement. however, it is certainly no guarantee of success. there were plenty of kids who were on the team for years and years and years and they weren't half as good as some of the local kids who just had a pass to the resort and skied with their friends on weekends. i did not have any coaching at any point, so my friends and i were just figuring it out on our own. also, at that time (early 2000s), i did not think it was even possible for me to do a cork 9. i figured if that was what the best pros were doing, there was just no chance I was even capable of it. Now, kids are watching their favorite skiers and thinking 'yeah, i wanna do that switch dub 9 too' or whatever - the mindset has flipped completely. also, some people have better natural coordination or learn much faster than their peers. the cash won't change that. i think i hear what you're saying though - you aren't necessarily shitting on people with money, you just relate more to people who didn't have that level or support and had to grind it out.

There isn’t anything wrong with that. I’ll be damned if I don’t support my kids when I grow up. I’m blessed to have a roof over my head and dinner to eat. my parents have done what they can for my skiing, while at the same time teaching me a great appreciation and a sense of responsibility.

It sounds like a dig against the kids who are blessed enough to receive financial and overall moral support by parents to pursue their love of skiing, but it’s really not. I just simply have way more respect for the self-made successes out there, even if they’re not on the level as ski academy kids or kids who are blessed and received financial help in some way shape or form.

I don’t think the “well money can’t make you good” argument is valid either. If you have any ounce of work ethic and dedication and go to a ski academy from age 12-18 or whatever, you’ll probably be better than most around you. It’s just a fact of the matter when you’re spending as much time in ski boots as you do in your normal shoes. It’s way easier to boost skiing when you literally do it nonstop with the help of coaches. 12 times harder to get to that same level when you have to do the stated things in my original thread post.

 

[butter_69]

I def have a lot of opportunities that I got from my parents. For example I am getting news skis that are pretty expensive and nice. But that doesn’t mean that my parents don’t work their ass’s off to help me pursue my dream of going pro.

 

[Lippamani]

This thread should not have reached 2 pages and needs to die. Some people have money some people don't we all love skiing get over it do I wish I had more money no because it doesn't work that way you got to earn it or your grandparents had to earn it.

 

[FruitBootPro]

This thread should not have reached 2 pages and needs to die. Some people have money some people don't we all love skiing get over it do I wish I had more money no because it doesn't work that way you got to earn it or your grandparents had to earn it.

this thread woulda been fine if he hadn’t said some backhanded shit about skiers with an average to above average level of privilege. He could have just said “a lot of skiers are funded/supported by their parents in youth and adolescence, but what about ones who got good without that and grinded super hard working all night and skiing all afternoon?”

 

[bbw.enthusiast]

this thread woulda been fine if he hadn’t said some backhanded shit about skiers with an average to above average level of privilege. He could have just said “a lot of skiers are funded/supported by their parents in youth and adolescence, but what about ones who got good without that and grinded super hard working all night and skiing all afternoon?”

this thread is literally just insecurity

 

[Skiblade420]

I’m not for hating on people just because they utilize their assets and are wealthy, op clearly isn’t either.

comparing it to skating, it’s like how the riders that had to grind and make a name for themselves are much more appealing. Or kids from the hood that made it out through their own passion and natural ability / creativity. A lot of the supreme team / 917 / fa / hockey / illegal civ kids come to mind.

as opposed to some whack Olympic skater that was literally forced to be an athlete from a young age with all the assets they need. (Some boring person like Jaeger Eaton for example)

You’re all kidding yourselves if you don’t think a rider that comes from humble beginnings isn’t a more attractive story.

You dont root for / aren’t as inspired by the underdog in movies? You’re kidding yourself.

Honestly the vibe I get from the super neg responses on this thread is most likely because you’re talking to (majority speaking) rich ass mountain kids who get defensive quick about money.

 

[Skiblade420]

Doubt you’ll find pros that were from a poor family though.

To get good in their youth (where most progression takes place) you’re going to need someone supporting you. Skiing is pricy af.

I’m sure there’s a good amount of pros that weren’t supported when they moved out / became an adult though.

Like mango in a podcast says that he grinds in the summer doing landscaping or whatever. You’ll probably find a good chunk that do that, and live a real ski bum type lifestyle / support themselves after getting into adulthood.

 

[HomerPimpin]

I’m not for hating on people just because they utilize their assets and are wealthy, op clearly isn’t either.

comparing it to skating, it’s like how the riders that had to grind and make a name for themselves are much more appealing. Or kids from the hood that made it out through their own passion and natural ability / creativity. A lot of the supreme team / 917 / fa / hockey / illegal civ kids come to mind.

as opposed to some whack Olympic skater that was literally forced to be an athlete from a young age with all the assets they need. (Some boring person like Jaeger Eaton for example)

You’re all kidding yourselves if you don’t think a rider that comes from humble beginnings isn’t a more attractive story.

You dont root for / aren’t as inspired by the underdog in movies? You’re kidding yourself.

Honestly the vibe I get from the super neg responses on this thread is most likely because you’re talking to (majority speaking) rich ass mountain kids who get defensive quick about money.

i doubt most of the people that replied on this thread were thinking of it to that extent. obviously if we were talking about the big name skiers and athletes in general, the ones that started from nothing are much more interesting. take a look at Lebron James, arguably one of the most well known names in basketball. his mom got pregnant with him at 16 and he grew up in Akron, Ohio; about as dumpy of a place as you can live in the U.S, but now he’s making millions in the nba. but if we’re looking at regular skiing and regular basketball at the non-professional level, nobody cares enough to look into your background and whether or not you’re wealthy and get trained by the top coaches in the country, or if you ski or play for one of the top teams; if you’re good you’re good, if you’re not then you’re not. if you can go from nothing to something then again, all respect for you, but it really doesn’t mean anything unless you actually make it big enough to create a name for yourself and that’s just how it is.

nobody is hating on the people that work hard to pay for their skiing expenses and no one’s trying to talk down on them, i’d like to think the vast majority of people are better than that, but the original post had that passive aggressiveness towards the people who are privileged and have families that are fortunate enough to provide them with the money for their skiing, and that’s what a lot of the seemingly “negative” replies on here are referring to. it’s great to realize and acknowledge the people who work extra hard to ski, but don’t be an ass towards the people who don’t have to work as hard to ski, it’s not like it’s their fault.

 

[Skiblade420]

I don’t think there should be any hate towards those people but come on, can you really not understand the passive aggression that comes out of others?

I don’t blame people for being kind of bummed / irritated that almost all action sports barrier to entry is getting pushed further and further towards needing rich parents, training / coaches, and starting at age 2 like a robot.

how could that not be frustrating to a young person? Action sports were started by rebellious characters who did it for themselves and were naturally creative.

nobody is hating on the people that work hard to pay for their skiing expenses and no one’s trying to talk down on them, i’d like to think the vast majority of people are better than that, but the original post had that passive aggressiveness towards the people who are privileged and have families that are fortunate enough to provide them with the money for their skiing, and that’s what a lot of the seemingly “negative” replies on here are referring to. it’s great to realize and acknowledge the people who work extra hard to ski, but don’t be an ass towards the people who don’t have to work as hard to ski, it’s not like it’s their fault.

 

[HomerPimpin]

I don’t think there should be any hate towards those people but come on, can you really not understand the passive aggression that comes out of others?

I don’t blame people for being kind of bummed / irritated that almost all action sports barrier to entry is getting pushed further and further towards needing rich parents, training / coaches, and starting at age 2 like a robot.

how could that not be frustrating to a young person? Action sports were started by rebellious characters who did it for themselves and were naturally creative.

i get that, but that’s the nature of everything now. i started playing basketball when i was 4 and im 16 now, i’m good enough that i could easily play on an aau team if my parents paid for it. but i’ve got friends that started playing a few years after me but had parents that put them with personal trainers right from the time they started, and now they’re getting d2 and d3 offers from colleges. the frustration is valid, but the flaw is in where the frustration is directed and who it’s directed towards. if anything, all consumers should be to blame since they’re the ones who want to see the best of the best. sure im good, but there are definitely area where i lack that my friends are better at than i am, and that’s where i fall short in getting those offers. nobody wants to settle for less, and the nature of it is that the more money you have, the more resources are available to you, and the more resources are available, the better your chances are of making it big, or bigger anyway.

 

[Lippamani]

I said it was supposed to die!

 

[weastcoat]

Honestly the vibe I get from the super neg responses on this thread is most likely because you’re talking to (majority speaking) rich ass mountain kids who get defensive quick about money.

spot fucking on

I said it was supposed to die!

Some people got super butthurt for no reason. No clue why it’s getting shit on, probably because it was those exact. prick-eleged mfs that I called out in a sense getting annoyed.

mfs fuckin hate a grindset and I’ll never understand it.

 

[Farmville420]

OP you’re right, but also we all obviously agree. Like no one is gonna read this and be like “fuck the poor skiers I only like mountain school kids”. Everyone fucks with a homegrown athlete, that’s a classic trope and the plot of probably 50 different sports movies.

Everyone who’s mad is either trolling because this isn’t a thread that needs to be made or feels like ur attacking their fav athlete, and both negative responses are valid because again, you didn’t actually need to say any of this since we all obviously agree lol

 

[armchair_skier]

I was really hoping OP was gonna self proclaim as scum core

bum core

 

[Lippamani]

weastcoatspot fucking on

Some people got super butthurt for no reason. No clue why it’s getting shit on, probably because it was those exact. prick-eleged mfs that I called out in a sense getting annoyed.

mfs fuckin hate a grindset and I’ll never understand it.

Ikr it is funny though.

 

[Skiblade420]

I’ve found that since you’re dealing with a lot of 12-17 year olds on here… a lot goes over their head even if you explain yourself. Not very good at looking at things from different angles and kind of just stick to the first initial feeling they have, regardless if they misinterpreted the context.

weastcoatspot fucking on

Some people got super butthurt for no reason. No clue why it’s getting shit on, probably because it was those exact. prick-eleged mfs that I called out in a sense getting annoyed.

mfs fuckin hate a grindset and I’ll never understand it.

Ikr it is funny though.

 

[FruitBootPro]

I’ve found that since you’re dealing with a lot of 12-17 year olds on here… a lot goes over their head even if you explain yourself. Not very good at looking at things from different angles and kind of just stick to the first initial feeling they have, regardless if they misinterpreted the context.

actually it’s the 12-17 year olds who feel the need to jerk themselves off about how “core” and “grassroots” they are despite being from a middle class family that can afford to buy them lift tickets and $800 ON3Ps with Pivots. Then bitch about rich tourists and dad skiers or whatever. They enter the freeskiing community and just regurgitate whatever bs they see someone write on here.

 

[BradFiAusNzCoCa]

I kinda wish the word core would die. It’s a way to gatekeep that has no place. I’ve seen park skiing absolutely explode in my life. I used to be one of two skiers, if not the only skier, in the park. Now, it’s filled with skiers. Imagine if our community gatekept all those people out. There may be less people on NS but there are way more in the park skiing now. In sum, yeah I agree with a lot of your sentiment

actually it’s the 12-17 year olds who feel the need to jerk themselves off about how “core” and “grassroots” they are despite being from a middle class family that can afford to buy them lift tickets and $800 ON3Ps with Pivots. Then bitch about rich tourists and dad skiers or whatever. They enter the freeskiing community and just regurgitate whatever bs they see someone write on here.

 

[Young_patty]

You’re misinformed, Nak is literally the nephew of a famous music producer and most of the illegal civ kids came from super wealthy Cali families- looking like a skate rat is cool though so that’s the look they put on. Really only a handful of the Cherry kids actually grew up in the Bronx/normal middle class neighborhoods.

Skatings not so different than skiing when it comes to paying to play. The only difference is it’s a much bigger industry with actual money and a larger audience. They can afford to fund their own independent projects, ams and smaller brands to a larger extent than we can.

comparing it to skating, it’s like how the riders that had to grind and make a name for themselves are much more appealing. Or kids from the hood that made it out through their own passion and natural ability / creativity. A lot of the supreme team / 917 / fa / hockey / illegal civ kids come to mind.

 

[Angioedema]

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Rectus is pretty core. Quadratus lumborum, iliacus, psoas major are aight

 

[tarm]

I respect both sides of this argument because everyone has a right to choose top-shelf amplitude of lifetime academy skiers or the more commonly organic/passionate style of many "self-made" skiers if that's the right word for what this thread is about. Sure, there is overlap between these two groups but the sort of pressure academy and competition skiers experience fosters a style that to me has obvious differences from more naturally progressed skiers.

 

[TRVP_ANGEL]

As someone who owns not 2 but 3 cars and has a garage full of skis and sled, all paid by my parents, I can't believe there are people doing this out there. Just stop skiing and make more money, you poor piece of shit. I have no respect for people who can't take care of themselves.

No hoes type thread