season_eqpt
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making a thread if you have any gear specific questions, comments, concerns, blind rage or genuine appreciation. direct line to our engineer, Pollard, basically the brand. go nuts
thanks - josh
thanks - josh
Season Eqpt. | Gear Discussion Thread
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CatdickBojangles
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Skinnier less rockered fishtailed skis with a layer of Metal in them. Think a shrunk down sakana that made love to a pair of Blades.
Bended_Toenail
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14187257:CatdickBojangles said:
Lol at first I thought you meant ski blades and I was so confused
alpha.moose
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Genuinely love the whole ethos and wish this company success.
I am seriously thinking about the Nexus, but I am wondering if a 183 cm would be too small for me (6'3" 170lb). For reference, I am a big fan of the Atomic Bentchetler 100 188cm, Moment Deathwish 184cm, and Moment Wildcat 108 184cm. I am thinking I might have to wait until more sizes are available to support Season....or I'll just surprise my partner with a snowboard from you guys. Ha, but seriously what y'all are doing is a breath of fresh air.
I am seriously thinking about the Nexus, but I am wondering if a 183 cm would be too small for me (6'3" 170lb). For reference, I am a big fan of the Atomic Bentchetler 100 188cm, Moment Deathwish 184cm, and Moment Wildcat 108 184cm. I am thinking I might have to wait until more sizes are available to support Season....or I'll just surprise my partner with a snowboard from you guys. Ha, but seriously what y'all are doing is a breath of fresh air.
a_pla5tic_bag
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Everyone says longer skis, but is Pollard perhaps correct in having these sizes under his idea that there are too many ski models with little functional difference between them? Perhaps these sizes, though shorter or longer than what you might normally ride, are going to be just fine and some cm's worth of difference isn't going to blow your skiing ability?
I have 171 magnus, 175 JJs, and 159 Atomic S9s so the 165 Aero seems to short to me, specially being rockered. I don't know the effective edge measurements of all my skis (and that's not the only thing that matters) but I bet they're not drastically different such that the 165 Aero would be too short for me.
I have 171 magnus, 175 JJs, and 159 Atomic S9s so the 165 Aero seems to short to me, specially being rockered. I don't know the effective edge measurements of all my skis (and that's not the only thing that matters) but I bet they're not drastically different such that the 165 Aero would be too short for me.
MeenaSmalls
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Need longer skis
The.Brentist
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A 200 length ski would be hood
DrZoidberg
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Are any of the skis SFB-ish? I have SFBs from a few years ago and they're just such great skis.
And with the sizing... For reference I'm 5'5" 120lbs. In the past I had a 166cm full camber line chronic, which was fine enough. So perhaps 165s here could work for me, even with the rocker, because I think Pollard et al know how to do rocker. My SFBs are 178 and they never feel cumbersome because everything works in harmony to make a great ski.
I believe Pollard surfs a lot and probably plays with surfboard design too. I shape boards in my garage, as I've posted about on here before. You can make a really small board act like a longer board to some extent. Most of my shapes focus on letting these small little boards drive like that have some length to them. I'm sure the same can be true for skis. My SFBs act like a smaller, very compliant ski. I bet they can make a 165 not act like a tiny little ski.
And with the sizing... For reference I'm 5'5" 120lbs. In the past I had a 166cm full camber line chronic, which was fine enough. So perhaps 165s here could work for me, even with the rocker, because I think Pollard et al know how to do rocker. My SFBs are 178 and they never feel cumbersome because everything works in harmony to make a great ski.
I believe Pollard surfs a lot and probably plays with surfboard design too. I shape boards in my garage, as I've posted about on here before. You can make a really small board act like a longer board to some extent. Most of my shapes focus on letting these small little boards drive like that have some length to them. I'm sure the same can be true for skis. My SFBs act like a smaller, very compliant ski. I bet they can make a 165 not act like a tiny little ski.
season_eqpt
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hope these help! - jm
We'll be adding additional sizes, Austrian ski molds are real expensive.
The hardgoods will maintain a consistent look, Eric didn't hang up his paintbrushes and we'll work in some things in the future.
^ yes! they're not super light but work well with touring bindings, the Nexus would be the go-to. Nimbus was a point in time and a band of Andy, Pep, Eric, Chris and friends. This is EPs next chapter.
^ interesting concept. We'll be constantly iterating.
There will be a larger size in coming years (see practical reasoning above) but yes the 183 is a nice firm flex and with not much rocker so the edge contact is large so you'll get every cm out of that Nexus 183.
Well in shape & size the Nexus for sure, as for differences the Nexus is a bit stiffer and less shapely. The SFB is a great ski btw. LOVE the understanding of that connection of surf shape / volumn concept and wish more people dove deeper in that instead of "I just need a longer ski". For reference EP is 5' 10", the Elizabeth was made by him in a 172, the Sakana 174, ect.
14187191:drifts said:
We'll be adding additional sizes, Austrian ski molds are real expensive.
14187193:Slowbro said:
The hardgoods will maintain a consistent look, Eric didn't hang up his paintbrushes and we'll work in some things in the future.
14187207:EPfanboy said:
^ yes! they're not super light but work well with touring bindings, the Nexus would be the go-to. Nimbus was a point in time and a band of Andy, Pep, Eric, Chris and friends. This is EPs next chapter.
14187257:CatdickBojangles said:
^ interesting concept. We'll be constantly iterating.
14187307:alpha.moose said:
There will be a larger size in coming years (see practical reasoning above) but yes the 183 is a nice firm flex and with not much rocker so the edge contact is large so you'll get every cm out of that Nexus 183.
14187495:DrZoidberg said:
Well in shape & size the Nexus for sure, as for differences the Nexus is a bit stiffer and less shapely. The SFB is a great ski btw. LOVE the understanding of that connection of surf shape / volumn concept and wish more people dove deeper in that instead of "I just need a longer ski". For reference EP is 5' 10", the Elizabeth was made by him in a 172, the Sakana 174, ect.
DrZoidberg
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Are the sidewalls wood? Or just wood colored plastic/ABS/whatever?
season_eqpt
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14187555:DrZoidberg said:
Khaki colored ABS with a higher angle 360 route to show off the shape. We're very happy how it came out.
a_pla5tic_bag
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14187439:Lazylightning said:
Well that's his point exactly. What you want to ride, i.e. think you need to ride, might not matter so much from a performance perspective. You might think you need a longer or shorter ski but it might just be in your head. Granted, this is hard to say.
A question for season though, what's the point of the swallow tails? Are they supposed to allow independent flex of the tail edges when on edge (if that's ever even on the ground)? Or are they actually just aesthetics from surfing? I can't see that a decrease in tail area serves the same purpose on a ski as it does on a surfboard.
a_pla5tic_bag
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14187599:Profahoben_212 said:
The point in surfboard is to lower tail volume. The fins are at the back, you need the tail in the water to use the fins and shortboard surfing is done from the tail. The issue with surfboards is that most of it isn't in the water when you're using it. Even when you are planing on a wave, it's some kind of goofy system cause only one rail is in the water and only some amount of the bottom of the board. Skis in powder are entirely in the snow.
I'm not a ski designer so I'm guessing, but to me, causing a ski to sit more like this / as would be the case with helping the tail sink, is just going to cause the ski to push snow rather than helping you plane over it. On the other hand, it might offer less resistance in you trying to sink the tail, as happens in a turn, which might be helpful. I feel like it'll make a bigger difference on a snowboard because that tail actually has a lot of surface area but ski tails are small. But I surf more than I ski powder so what do I know.
mrk127
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I would love to see a ski like the line Blade but beefed up. None of that “gas pedal metal” but full sheet or two of titanal. I loved that shape and concept of the ski but the flex patten was weak sauce especially in the front of the ski. I would love to see eqpt be the company improve on the idea of a tight radius all mountain carver but more suitable for really charging
DrZoidberg
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14187764:mrk127 said:
If their mid sized one is like the SFB but stiffer than that might be it, just maybe not two sheets of metal stiff. I'm light (120lbs) and my SFBs rip, though obviously not as hard as my volkl racetiger SLs. If they stiffen up the SFB a bit then it'd shred.
WoFIowz
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Interesting. Digging the looks too. Maybe it's just me but the average turn radius on all the skis is quite small. Any plans to increase this in the future? Or is this because most people ride skis with a smaller radius like this?
Also if not mentioned already what materials are used in the core? I can appreciate all the detail listed on your site for each ski but couldn't find that.
Also if not mentioned already what materials are used in the core? I can appreciate all the detail listed on your site for each ski but couldn't find that.
linear_algebra
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How does the Forma compare to the Line Sakana? From the specs, I see Forma is of course wider and has a bit less sidecut. How does the stiffness compare? What are the biggest similarities and differences of the on-snow experience?
Congrats on the new company! Looking forward to trying out your gear soon
Congrats on the new company! Looking forward to trying out your gear soon
FruitBootPro
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just checked out the site and i actually really love it, super well done.
my questions/requests:
-twintip ski with 110+ waist please
-why such long cambered sections on the Nexus and Forma skis?
-will the graphics get more interesting in the future?
-what makes these skis unique in terms of feel?
my questions/requests:
-twintip ski with 110+ waist please
-why such long cambered sections on the Nexus and Forma skis?
-will the graphics get more interesting in the future?
-what makes these skis unique in terms of feel?
MeenaSmalls
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14187527:pokerman said:
Dynastar slicers 187cm, Poachers 184cm, trying to get ahold of a cheap pair of Nomads 191cm.
season_eqpt
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sorry for the delay here!
Thanks for that feedback, lots of great beefy metal skis out there, tight radius with a lot of edge hold inherently makes a speed limit to a ski so it's an interesting challenge
The Nexus (mid-sized one) has some geometry similarities to an SFB but yes, a bit longer radius and stiffer.
We like to turn, so most of our skis will have a tighter radius. Cores are Caruba (it's like Paulownia but a different name)
Full ABS sidewalls, fiberglass, sintered bases and Caruba cores with the Aero having 2 sheets of metal that match the effective edge area.
The Forma 167 is closer to a Sakana than the 183 as far as turning radius and feel. The Forma is a bit stiffer due to more fiberglass and full sidewalls, thanks for the love!
- working on a wider Nexus, Austrian ski molds are expensive so will be a little bit down the line
- camber give more life to skis so we put more into them.
- detail and nuance are our focus for the brand with timeless graphics as there is a large rainbow of nice skis out there that change their graphics every year and we're just not about that.
- Our shapes are designed to make a wide variety of turn shapes while the construction (full sidewalls, extra fiberglass) make the skis damp and not have a speed limit so they're fun in a wider variety of conditions because well, a variety of conditions is what most skiers experience thru the winter and even during a day.
thx! - josh
14187764:mrk127 said:
Thanks for that feedback, lots of great beefy metal skis out there, tight radius with a lot of edge hold inherently makes a speed limit to a ski so it's an interesting challenge
14188029:DrZoidberg said:
The Nexus (mid-sized one) has some geometry similarities to an SFB but yes, a bit longer radius and stiffer.
14188252:Rotten_Trumpkins said:
We like to turn, so most of our skis will have a tighter radius. Cores are Caruba (it's like Paulownia but a different name)
14188255:jca said:
Full ABS sidewalls, fiberglass, sintered bases and Caruba cores with the Aero having 2 sheets of metal that match the effective edge area.
14188514:linear_algebra said:
The Forma 167 is closer to a Sakana than the 183 as far as turning radius and feel. The Forma is a bit stiffer due to more fiberglass and full sidewalls, thanks for the love!
14209343:FruitBootPro said:
- working on a wider Nexus, Austrian ski molds are expensive so will be a little bit down the line
- camber give more life to skis so we put more into them.
- detail and nuance are our focus for the brand with timeless graphics as there is a large rainbow of nice skis out there that change their graphics every year and we're just not about that.
- Our shapes are designed to make a wide variety of turn shapes while the construction (full sidewalls, extra fiberglass) make the skis damp and not have a speed limit so they're fun in a wider variety of conditions because well, a variety of conditions is what most skiers experience thru the winter and even during a day.
thx! - josh
alpha.moose
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14242464:season_eqpt said:
With that thought is there any chance of more sizes in the 2021-2022 lineup?
season_eqpt
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14242831:alpha.moose said:
yes! Nexus 158 & 189, Aero 158 & 173 plus a twin shape with 3 sizes I think the NS crown with enjoy
Mr_pretzel
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14247658:season_eqpt said:yes! Nexus 158 & 189, Aero 158 & 173 plus a twin shape with 3 sizes I think the NS crown with enjoy
yay!
DUKES
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For those complaining about longer sizes. Wait to ride the ski to make an assessment. You might be surprised how well the flex, camber, and shape work so well together with the limited size run. At 6'4" I loved the 183 Nexus and hated giving back to my friend at the end of the day. Can't wait to get my hands on a pair and go crazy with a paint marker
Also you guys hiring?
Also you guys hiring?
alpha.moose
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14256434:DUKES said:
Would you consider sizing up to the 189 when it becomes available? I am 6'3" but pretty light for my size and have been debating about which one I should get considering how much effective edge and camber the ski has.
@season_eqpt I would also love some details about the new twin tip shape if you can give us any info right now!
DUKES
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14256460:alpha.moose said:
I would definitely give it a try. Personally I do wish it was met in the middle with a 186 length but I'm sure that's what the 189 would measure to after the pressing process. Would probably come down to what your preferred ski style is. More directional and charging then go with the longer length. If you're more on the playful side of the spectrum then I'd say the 183.
Definitely want to see the specs on that full twin as well.
season_eqpt
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tomPietrowski
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New Kin ski looks rad.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Y'all do your thing, but why not put some of Eric's art on the skis too? He makes some of the most beautiful, soulful top sheets I have ever seen.
alpha.moose
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14310567:season_eqpt said:
This video is amazing, hot damn if I could ski with half that style. It isn't Griffin Cummings is it?
season_eqpt
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14310822:alpha.moose said:
Nailed it! and our friend James Griffen (double griffen edit)
SavageBiff
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-Longer skis
-offer custom options such as +\- width , tail options like fish, round, square, skin clip option, topsheet
-let pollard do what he does, the ski community is severely missing his designs.
-don’t know how you guys do it but id really like to have stapled and glued edges not just glued.
-a 194 114ish asymmetrical ski with a low rise, low splay twinned fishtail, substantial tip taper, long tip rise, low splay full width metal and maple underfoot, very thin and narrow strip of metal/rubber in the center of the ski in front and behind boot, or a carbon stringer and rubber laminate( for low torsional rigidity but high moistness ) surrounded by bamboo with thin/concave tips and some pollard art unaffected, un altered, and not influenced by anybody else.
-offer custom options such as +\- width , tail options like fish, round, square, skin clip option, topsheet
-let pollard do what he does, the ski community is severely missing his designs.
-don’t know how you guys do it but id really like to have stapled and glued edges not just glued.
-a 194 114ish asymmetrical ski with a low rise, low splay twinned fishtail, substantial tip taper, long tip rise, low splay full width metal and maple underfoot, very thin and narrow strip of metal/rubber in the center of the ski in front and behind boot, or a carbon stringer and rubber laminate( for low torsional rigidity but high moistness ) surrounded by bamboo with thin/concave tips and some pollard art unaffected, un altered, and not influenced by anybody else.
FruitBootPro
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what's the flex profile and default mount on the kins?
season_eqpt
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14311139:SavageBiff said:
love this feedback
- we added a 189cm Nexus that skis very long. The amount of sizes we can offer is limited (we're tiny and Austrian ski molds are expensive) especially since our models are gender-neutral we need to cover sizes for small to big humans.
- eric is a founder of the brand and in full control of our aesthetics and vision. his art is available here. it looks nicer for longer on a wall than on a ski. season's aesthetic is based on shape and timelessness, not an annual consumer cycle.
- edges are fixed to the ski pre-molding and look like this. which holds it in place as best as you can,
- that sounds like the perfect ski, for exactly you. I suggest a custom ski making company like Folsom or Maiden and reach out to Eric direct and he can make the art for you
14311169:FruitBootPro said:
Check here: https://seasoneqpt.com/products/kin-ski#profile - anecdotally the flex is a little stiffer than a bacon but not a plank. it matches really well with the sidecut.
thanks! keep em coming. - josh - anything super specific feel free to reach out via e-mail but I like the public forum a bit better.
SavageBiff
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Glad you brought this up, after my post it wouldn’t let me edit and I didn’t feel like typing another at the time and forgot.
So, It’s actually my mistake, it’s not stapled edges , what I meant to refer to were sidewalls. I also meant to say I don’t like the industry standard for sidewall attachment, which is to use staples then fill in the holes with epoxy. Praxis bonds their sidewall in a press before the final finish and claims it’s much stronger. All my friends with praxis have never had a sidewall or edge blow out, I’ve only blown out a line supernatural but regardless, I’m not a fan of failures and stronger sidewalls make stronger skis period.
They also have edges that wrap around the whole ski rather than ending making them stronger.
https://www.praxisskis.com/ski/construction/
So, It’s actually my mistake, it’s not stapled edges , what I meant to refer to were sidewalls. I also meant to say I don’t like the industry standard for sidewall attachment, which is to use staples then fill in the holes with epoxy. Praxis bonds their sidewall in a press before the final finish and claims it’s much stronger. All my friends with praxis have never had a sidewall or edge blow out, I’ve only blown out a line supernatural but regardless, I’m not a fan of failures and stronger sidewalls make stronger skis period.
They also have edges that wrap around the whole ski rather than ending making them stronger.
https://www.praxisskis.com/ski/construction/
14312430:jca said:
hot.pocket
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14312441:SavageBiff said:
Pretty sure this is not the industry standard, and I look at ski construction fairly often. Sure, some brands do sidewall attachment during layup, but I've rarely seen a staple gun being used during layup, and those who bond during layup typically have very tight tolerances in their tooling to eliminate any gap between the core and sidewall.
BrandoComando
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Anyone have insight on using the Forma as a touring ski? Or maybe a 50/50 ski? It seems like it would be a super fun low-angle backcountry pow ski once resorts get tracked out.
My biggest questions are weight and versatility.
Weight: The Pescado is lighter and a similar shape. Are the Formas worth the extra grams in the backcountry?
Versatility: How are the Formas in steeper, techier, and firmer conditions? Is the edge hold good enough for a single-ski backcountry quiver?
My biggest questions are weight and versatility.
Weight: The Pescado is lighter and a similar shape. Are the Formas worth the extra grams in the backcountry?
Versatility: How are the Formas in steeper, techier, and firmer conditions? Is the edge hold good enough for a single-ski backcountry quiver?