Rub on wax vs Ironed on wax thoughts?

WGalinski

WGalinski

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I've been using the ironed on wax method for years. Today as I was getting my skis prepped for the season I tried rubbing on some wax (same wax I iron with) onto the tips and tails like a skateboard, and used my ski brush to rub it in. It feels the same and looks just as shiny as a fresh ironed wax job does.

Is this a ski hack for saving time and wax considering an icy day wipes off ironed wax anyways? Also there's no shavings in the end. I just want to know if anyone has tried and tested out this method, which is why I only rubbed wax on non contact points of the base.

No trolls unless you ride at trollhaugen
 
I do both as well Nx was wondering. I know on slushy days like mayday at big boulder I always carried a bar of wax and rubbed it on if I felt slow. It worked well but didn't last to long.
 
You’ll be slower. Hot wax settles into the grooves of the ski. Actual rub on wax is usually a last resort.
 
14563964:iskeaah said:
You’ll be slower. Hot wax settles into the grooves of the ski. Actual rub on wax is usually a last resort.
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If lots of friction is applied with a ski brush, wouldn't the wax begin to soften enough that it would reach into the grooves?

I know some waxes are drastically different with their formulation so it would be more of a relative answer. My friend who has used what is advertised as rub on wax only uses it for last resort, and from what I have seen it isn't worth the price.
 
The hell? Unless the friction gets it to 150 degrees then no

14563970:WGalinski said:
If lots of friction is applied with a ski brush, wouldn't the wax begin to soften enough that it would reach into the grooves?

I know some waxes are drastically different with their formulation so it would be more of a relative answer. My friend who has used what is advertised as rub on wax only uses it for last resort, and from what I have seen it isn't worth the price.
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14563970:WGalinski said:
If lots of friction is applied with a ski brush, wouldn't the wax begin to soften enough that it would reach into the grooves?

I know some waxes are drastically different with their formulation so it would be more of a relative answer. My friend who has used what is advertised as rub on wax only uses it for last resort, and from what I have seen it isn't worth the price.
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Absolutely not. Look at any wax package and see the temps it’s recommended to be applied at. Far hotter than any brush is going to get you.
 
Like I said, some waxes are drastically different. The wax I use almost melts in between my fingers if I hold onto shavings. It’s likely that some friction can create at least 100 degrees of heat.

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14563971:iskeaah said:
The hell? Unless the friction gets it to 150 degrees then no
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14563973:WGalinski said:
Like I said, some waxes are drastically different. The wax I use almost melts in between my fingers if I hold onto shavings. It’s likely that some friction can create at least 100 degrees of heat.

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Candle wax is not ski wax. Ski wax typically requires much higher heat. Again. Your brush will not get hot enough.

there is a reason hot wax is used and has been the standard for so long. This isn’t new lol.

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14563976:maaattt said:
Time saved becomes time lost as you go back to the car every three runs to rub one out on your skis
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I would rather ski all day on dry bases than waste time not skiing. Good joke tho
 
I understand where you’re coming from, I’ve done ironed wax for all the 12 years I’ve been skiing. But I want this to be an open discussion coming from people who dont want to argue and have tried rub on wax and alternative methods.

It would be more helpful if you showed what website that came from also.

14563974:PartyBullshiit said:
Candle wax is not ski wax. Ski wax typically requires much higher heat. Again. Your brush will not get hot enough.

there is a reason hot wax is used and has been the standard for so long. This isn’t new lol.

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14563983:WGalinski said:
I understand where you’re coming from, I’ve done ironed wax for all the 12 years I’ve been skiing. But I want this to be an open discussion coming from people who dont want to argue and have tried rub on wax and alternative methods.

It would be more helpful if you showed what website that came from also.
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Came from wend wax. I’ve used rub on multiple times. It doesn’t work better than hot wax. That’s just a fact.

You don’t want a discussion. You want people to verify your false belief. Facts don’t care about your opinion. This subject had be researched to death. Far longer than your 12 years.

Hot wax is the standard. Always will be. Rub on wax will always be inferior. Fact. There is no argument to be had.

Can you use rub on? Of course. Will it ever be better, last longer or be the standard? Never
 
Where is my false belief? I had a hypothesis and thats it. If you had a deeper understanding of wax formulation then I would appreciate more feedback but all you’re doing here is repeating easy to come by knowledge that I have known for more than a decade.

14563986:PartyBullshiit said:
Came from wend wax. I’ve used rub on multiple times. It doesn’t work better than hot wax. That’s just a fact.

You don’t want a discussion. You want people to verify your false belief. Facts don’t care about your opinion. This subject had be researched to death. Far longer than your 12 years.

Hot wax is the standard. Always will be. Rub on wax will always be inferior. Fact. There is no argument to be had.

Can you use rub on? Of course. Will it ever be better, last longer or be the standard? Never
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14563988:WGalinski said:
Where is my false belief? I had a hypothesis and thats it. If you had a deeper understanding of wax formulation then I would appreciate more feedback but all you’re doing here is repeating easy to come by knowledge that I have known for more than a decade.
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Do you even read what you post? You literally just said I’m posting easy found knowledge that you’ve already known.

yet you’re here trying to find someone to agree with your thought that rub on wax is magically better than hot wax when as you mentioned it’s known knowledge it’s not. It doesn’t last as long nor does it perform better.

You cannot physically get the wax hot enough no matter how much friction you’re creating to allow the wax to melt to the point it will absorb and fill the pockets in the ptex. Again, this is all well known documented facts you can easily find online.

So what exactly are you trying to teach yourself? What discussion are you looking for? Rub on wax isn’t better than hot wax. End of discussion. lol. You can use it. It’s safe. Have fun. But as mentioned above enjoy your additional time rubbing more on every few runs. Hence the wasted time.
 
I used my “iron on wax” as a rub on wax. You need to reread my original post.

14563990:PartyBullshiit said:
Do you even read what you post? You literally just said I’m posting easy found knowledge that you’ve already known.

yet you’re here trying to find someone to agree with your thought that rub on wax is magically better than hot wax when as you mentioned it’s known knowledge it’s not. It doesn’t last as long nor does it perform better.

You cannot physically get the wax hot enough no matter how much friction you’re creating to allow the wax to melt to the point it will absorb and fill the pockets in the ptex. Again, this is all well known documented facts you can easily find online.

So what exactly are you trying to teach yourself? What discussion are you looking for? Rub on wax isn’t better than hot wax. End of discussion. lol. You can use it. It’s safe. Have fun. But as mentioned above enjoy your additional time rubbing more on every few runs. Hence the wasted time.
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14563992:WGalinski said:
I used my “iron on wax” as a rub on wax. You need to reread my original post.
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Any wax is rub on wax lmao. Pay attention to the very last part of the directions. if it’s a solid chunk of wax of any brand it can rubbed on as an extra layer. Again well known knowledge.

maybe this will help. You asked is this a hack for saving time etc. the answer is no.

is there another question you had?

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I actually appreciate this post. I didn’t know that any wax could inherently become rub on with positive effect. The only wax I have that displays temperature is my cross country klister, and the stuff I have used forever for downhill is a local company that doesn’t display info like that. I hope you dont think I’m an idiot, rather just someone who seeks to understand.

14563993:PartyBullshiit said:
Any wax is rub on wax lmao. Pay attention to the very last part of the directions. if it’s a solid chunk of wax of any brand it can rubbed on as an extra layer. Again well known knowledge.

maybe this will help. You asked is this a hack for saving time etc. the answer is no.

is there another question you had?

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14563994:WGalinski said:
I actually appreciate this post. I didn’t know that any wax could inherently become rub on with positive effect. The only wax I have that displays temperature is my cross country klister, and the stuff I have used forever for downhill is a local company that doesn’t display info like that. I hope you dont think I’m an idiot, rather just someone who seeks to understand.
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As long as it’s a bar you’re good to go as a rub on. Don’t think you’re an idiot, I think you just framed your question wrong. Glad the info could help.

As mentioned you can get away with rub on. It’s just not going to be as good or as long lasting.

just as you can ski with no wax. It will work. Just going to be a shittier experience.

ideally you’d hot wax and then rub some on top day of.
 
14563993:PartyBullshiit said:
Any wax is rub on wax lmao. Pay attention to the very last part of the directions. if it’s a solid chunk of wax of any brand it can rubbed on as an extra layer. Again well known knowledge.

maybe this will help. You asked is this a hack for saving time etc. the answer is no.

is there another question you had?

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I didn't read this whole thread obviously, just skimmed.

The important part of that set of instructions is the cork, which will create enough friction to melt the wax in and polish. I'm not sure if a brush would do the same.

Also do you guys want to entertain "Phantom" base treatment in the chat?
 
14564096:Non_State_Actor said:
I didn't read this whole thread obviously, just skimmed.

The important part of that set of instructions is the cork, which will create enough friction to melt the wax in and polish. I'm not sure if a brush would do the same.

Also do you guys want to entertain "Phantom" base treatment in the chat?
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Man I’ve been tempted by phantom a few times. Its popped up on eBay a few times discounted. Just never pulled the trigger.
 
topic:WGalinski said:
I've been using the ironed on wax method for years. Today as I was getting my skis prepped for the season I tried rubbing on some wax (same wax I iron with) onto the tips and tails like a skateboard, and used my ski brush to rub it in. It feels the same and looks just as shiny as a fresh ironed wax job does.

Is this a ski hack for saving time and wax considering an icy day wipes off ironed wax anyways? Also there's no shavings in the end. I just want to know if anyone has tried and tested out this method, which is why I only rubbed wax on non contact points of the base.

No trolls unless you ride at trollhaugen
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this thread has turned to cancer
 
14564065:OregonDead said:
[tag=189437]@DominatorJacques[/tag] had some rub on type stuff last season that looked promising
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Ah somebody beat me to it, but its called Dominator paste wax (no relation lol) and its great stuff. Hot wax > paste for longevity still, but Dominator is probably the best wax that exists IMO so their paste wax will be far better than the cheap generic hot wax most ski shops and individuals use
 
14564065:OregonDead said:
[tag=189437]@DominatorJacques[/tag] had some rub on type stuff last season that looked promising
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That was probably Doninator "W". It's a rub on for wet snow.

Sure, any wax can be rubbed on, but then needs to be buffed out with a non abrasive fiber pad, or cork.

Last season I tested all the Dominator paste waxes, and I'm stoked with them! I did find under low temps. on the hill (parking lot) they would not cure, so they do need higher temp. air to cure.

[video]https://youtu.be/x_EGoU9qUUQ[/video]
 
Don't need thoughts for this one, just the know. Iron on all the way. Rub on wax is better than nothing, but good only for a run or two.

^^interested in Dominator's wax tho, could be good to keep in the pack
 
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