Rossi FKS?

marteeno

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what up NS,
hey.. im getting Surface Nine Lives for sure this year, and i can't decide what to put on them.
I can get an awesome deal on rossi FKS 140s for $210. I know it's a freeride binding, but with the skis being so park specific.. is this a good match?
I'll be in the park 5 days a week, so let me know what's up and give me some advice on what bindings to throw on my future Surfaces.
Thanks
 
well there are different kind of bindings(race/AT/demo/freeride), so technically the new 14s and 18s are a "freeride" binding, while the old ones were race bindings
 
Ya but really the only difference is wider brake options, so I see what he means. The difference between demo and AT bindings is pretty substantial though, haha.
 
plates and risers make a huge difference between race and freeride bindings...(not like anyone should mount park skis with risers or plates ever...)
 
i know, but the new fks are exactly the same as the old ones. the binding rossi was marketing as their freeride binding before reintroducing the fks was the same as their race binding, except for the color.
 
Not to thread jack, but I found the 140's on galaxyboardsports.com for $229. Cheapest I have seen them. I ordered a set and they came quickly and in great condition. Pretty pumped. Thought I would put that out there if people are looking for them.

No, I don't work there. Just thought I would share cuz I was sketched out to order from a site I never heard of before. Butr they were $100 cheaper than anywhere else.
 
Yeah man, you found a real nice deal. the only reason i'm getting them for $210 is because i'm getting them straight through rossi
 
So, you're telling me that a Marker M.12 Free is the same as a Rossi FKS 120 - I mean they have the same DIN so they must work just the same.

I used the Pivot 14 on my park skis last year (same as the FKS 140 - just rebranded), and they were good, the only problem is if you hike rails a lot they are annoying cause if you have any snow stuck to the bottom of your boot they wont go on and the release lever constantly comes back up so you have to push it down. Other than that though, they were fine for me in the park.

As far as the Nine Lives, the reason he said to reconsider is that they're very hit or miss, either they're really good...or you get like 30 edge cracks and they end up snapping in half. If you really want to get Surfaces, either get this years No Times (same as the Nine Life, but they've fixed the durability issue - I haven't seen them yet, but I'm getting a pair from warranty so we'l see how they look when they get in), or get the Watch Life, it's a bit wider, but they still kill the park (Watch the Gold Project, Sam Kimmerle kills it on them).
 
I agree with this. I rode 60 days this winter and almost 70 days at Hood this summer, hit rails every single day, hiked rails after the lifts closed, and I only have like 6 edge cracks. The skis are still in perfect working condition after 120+ days on them. Maybe I just got lucky.
 
80+ days on my nine lifes mostly at park city but a LOT of night skiing beating them up bonking trees and shit, No problems at all!

I came in to slow to an elevated flat rail at snowbasin and basically karate kicked the end of it.. My edge dented slightly but did not crack.

I have owned park skis from K2, Rossi, Dynastar, 4frnt and Armada.. the surfaces were by far my favorite to ski on and one of the more durable!
 
And as far as Fks bindings go I wont ski anything else.. Find a good deal and get them! you will own them for years
 
these threads have always been full of people saying they wont get anything but fks and that they are their favorite bindings and so on. but rarely does anyone come up with why, exactly they think these bindings are so great. its always like "theyre so sick man, and uhh...theyre light?" theyre a race binding...since when has weight ever been an issue in racing? theyre not that light. "theyre so sick man, and uhh...theyre durable?" yes, the binding is bombproof. the brakes, however, are not; they werent designed for park abuse, and theyre next to impossible to replace once they break...better get some leashes. and how many of you kids are blowing up bindings that arent plastic heeled salomons anyway?

i skied on these bindings for years. i loved them because they held up and the din went to 18. i utilized that, so i didnt worry about my brakes...or my knees. but ive been skiing on atomic's ffg16 (salomon's sth16) for the past two seasons and i feel like theyre a more solid binding.

all im saying is there are options. do some research beyond newschoolers to determine which is best for you, and what you NEED. not whether or not chrome would look cooler than neon orange on your skis.

thanks fellas!
 
pussy shit, this is a real binding(i even have 2 pairs lolol) oh and sorry for the double post

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every pair of fks i've ever owned i've gotten for less than $120.00, and as little as $40.00. All with purely cosmetic damage.
 
60 for one pair 20 for another. dont buy new fks waste of money the bindings last forever.

step 1. go to ski swap.

step 2. purchase all skis with fks.

step 3...........

step 4. profit?
 
depends what fks you are talking about. 14/15/18 yes, old 120s would be fine and a better choice then px12s or griffons
 
This is very true..

So I will give a better description of why I run the Fks..

I for some reason was stripping heeltracks on the older Rossi/Look axial bindings...

I then tried some Tyroli race bindings and blew the heel piece up!

I tried both of these bindings because they offer the lateral heel release... for forward twisting falls!

I then purchased a few pair of fks and have had those original three pair for almost five years now without any problems!

what I love about them is

1. Obviously the durability you gain from a full metal casing!

2. The shorter mounting area allows for a more natural flex of the ski!

3. The super low afd height is 5mm lower than any other binding.. it gives you a much better boot-binding-ski-snow feel!

4. Because they have very little adjustment as far as boot size the forward pressure never changes.. I can turn my Din up to 13 where I like them! they come off when I need but never premature!

5. they are light.. Definitely not the lightest but for the durability I am willing to make that compromise!

What I dislike about them..

1. price.. but you get what you pay for!

2. the brakes.. I have become quite the ninja with these but they are a pain in the ass if you break one!

3. They have a small hole pattern so unless your tech is on top of their shit you are far more likely to rip out!

4.because they have such little adjustment you MUST mount them to YOUR boot and ONLY the boot you will be using on them all season!

5. if you dont maintain them they can develop a little bit of play in the heelpiece usually you cant notice while clicked in!

6. unless you NEED a 12 or higher din your asking for a knee injury

7. you must keep them properly adjusted to your boot as your soles wear down!

But like I said if you need them you will love them.. make sure they are mounted and adjusted correctly and they will last forever

take care of them and they will take care of you!
 
esentially it was. i am pretty tight with a guy who works for rossi, was obsessed with their stuff for quite a while, before realizing that there were other ski companies. i know my stuff.
 
The binding Rossi was marketing as a freeride binding before the re-release of the fks was indeed a different colorway of the Axial2 with a widebreak! different versions of the race binding had risers however most did not... same binding different color!

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul....

 
eureka!

like i said, they are good bindings. but that doesnt really seem to by why all the lil kiddies want em, and theyre in for a weird time when they spiral fracture their femur because they found 10-18 din p18s for "only $200!" and weigh 110lbs soaking wet.

glad you enjoy em though pal, i always did too. im happy with the few sacrifices made from switching out to the solly sth platform, but i cant say i dont miss em from time to time.
 
They'll be a great binding for you. I'm guessing you're talking about the 14 DIN ones?

I've had/have a bunch of 'big boy' bindings including Pivot 14s (same as FKS 14s), Jesters, Dukes, 916s (the old solid metal ones). STH 16s, 4Frnt Deadbolts 18s, Mojo 15s and a pair of old Rossi turntable bindings so can compare them fairly well. I've got a pair of FKS 18 but haven't used them yet.

I've also had 914Ti's and Z12s but hated them so much that I got rid of them almost immediately. 914's; same stupid loosening toe-piece as sth 916s and pre-release. Z-12s; Din only goes up to 12 but felt like half that they pre-released so often. And I'm not trying to be macho by overdoing my DINs, I weigh between 210-225lb during any during the year so need the DIN. I had some marker turntable bindings a long time ago (maybe 15 years or so) but can't remember them. Also had Marker Free 14s or 1400s (something like that) that I broke pretty quickly. I've heard they pre-release a lot but didn't have them long enough to really know. But that was a long time ago too.

I got the Pivot 14 this summer and mounted them up on 2010-2011 Moment rockers and they were fine... for a day and a half when I broke the toe-piece. I got them from TMC in Whistler and they replaced them on the spot no questions asked. When I went to TMC they showed me another pair of Pivot 14s with a broken toe-piece that came in the same day. Props to TMC for getting a new toe piece put on within a few hours and for free.

The toe-pieces of the Pivot/FKS 14 are notsolid metal, despite whats been said above. Judging by the appearence of the fracture surface I'd guess that its made of glass filled nylon or some similar particle reinforced plastic.

The toe piece on the FKS 18s is an aluminium alloy, I'd guess, and is one piece (doesn't have the spilt/rotate mechanism).

Despite the failure of my Pivot 14s I still think they are a good binding. They're light, they mount close to the ski and I didn't notice them most of the time. IMO the sign of a good binding is one you don't notice. Aside from the break the only issue I had with them is when landing a sideways on small airs. E.g. I'd do a 3 but try and whip my feet to 5 just before landing and sometimes not get it around and land sideways. When this happened the toe-piece would rotate and pop me out. On a big jump I'd be happy for this to happen but with such little height it was annoying as I know that I could easily have absorbed the drop. Other than that they never pre-released and I didn't feel the need to crank up the DIN as a result.

Are they better than most other bindings; I'd say yes. Here's how I think they compare with other bindings:

They are miles better than the STH 16s. I hated them, the toe wings constantly come loose and they'd pre-release more often than any other 'good' binding I've used. The old school 916s on the other hand are great (mine are 10 years old, beaten up and look like crap but work perfectly). It looks like they are re-releasing them too. But given the choice I'd go with Pivots/FKSs as the 14s are so much lighter, and the 18 and 14 turntable heels definately win out (even if it is a pain to get into). Having said that haven't tried the new 916s so can't say for sure how they'll be.

Compared to Heads/Tyrolias/4Frnts etc...The 15 and 18 Din models of these are a really good binding IMO. The 15 is light but very durable. I've had a pair of 15s that werebeen on 3 sets of skis which I broke (skis, not bindings) and they were fine. No real problem with them, no pre-release, easy to get into, etc...

The 18s are the same but beefier/heavier...no pre-releasing problems,blah , blah, blah. I don't need an 18 DIN, 12-14 works fine most of the time (at least with a decent binding) so the higher DIN range isn't a big bonus to me.

As the 15s (I had Mojos) are much lighter and lasted years for me I'd go with them over the 18s. But if you are truly badass (or want to look it) then the 18s are a good and very tough binding. I got mine used, previous owner; Sean Petit. If he didn't break them its a good bet you won't be able to either! Given the choice I'd still go with Pivots as they feel really 'close' to the ski, and have a turntable heel. The 4FRNTs/ Heads have some lateral motion in the heel but I've never noticed them releasing in a 'pivoty' way.

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Rossi Pro 180s. I've got these on a pair of slalom skis. Summary, best binding I've used. I've had these for 11-12 years (I think) and I've never had a problem with them they've never pre-released and they've popped off when its counted. There may be other old Rossi/Look turntable/pivot bindings that I haven't seen/used/remember but these are not the same as the FKS 18s. The toe piece on the Pro 180 is a split toe thing like on the FKS/Pivot 14s, not solid like the 18s. I like the idea of a binding that can release this way, I just don't like that the 14s do it so easily. The Pro 18s may release easily in the same way as FKS/Pivot 14s but I've never encountered it. But then I only use them on icy spring morning and I don't race and race, I just like the power and rebound that a good race stock ski has. As a result I rarely crash on them. Downsides: Heavy, can't buy them anymore, really narrow mounting area and brake.

Given that I broke my Pivots and the annoying issue of releasing on sideways landings it might seem odd that I'd reccomend them.

It seems a lot of people talk about bindings pre-releasingbut I'm just as interested in when they don't release. I've had crashes on every other binding where the binding didn't come off and I thought it should. Well apart from the z12s, all I had to do was look at a jump and I'd double eject. I've yet to crash on the Pivots where they've stayed on and I think they should have popped off. And I've definately given them enough opportunites to do this. They're also light and hopefully the binding I broke and the other one in the store were one offs and quality control has been improved.

I think FKS/Pivot 18s would be overkill for anyone around 105lbs. Its unlikely you'll break them and its just extra weight. I'm not sure wether the lack of the rotating release in the front is a good thing or not. Hopefully it'll be a good snow year so I can test 'em out with my new toys

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191 cm of cuddly waisted goodness. Rocker, twins and carbon fibre wrapped core. Can't wait to use 'em!
 
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