Rockered boot soles/ WTR soles question (Lange Xt130)

*DOG

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So i just picked up a pair of lange xt130's from last season brand new for a great deal and they came with the rockered soles (WTR soles?). I was wondering if these would work on what types of bindings. Would they work with my standard alpine look spx 12? and would they also work with frame AT bindings? I have looked around and couldn't find much. I also have the regular ISO alpine standard soles but im wondering if i could keep the rockered soles on if im switching between a frame binding and regular alpine bindings.

Also anyone have any experience with the XT130's? got a brand new pair 28.5 for 390 Canadian. Excited to use them, I ski about 60% in-bounds resort 25% sidecountry/backcountry and like 15% park but sometimes more park when conditions are shitty. Mainly its two or three days in the park during the weekdays and then all mountain and back/side-country on weekends.
 
WTR is a sub-set of the Touring Norm ISO 9523. That means that a WTR sole follows the general shape and dimensions of ISO 9523, but what sets it apart are the hard AFD surfaces in the toe and heel. Neither Touring nor WTR soles will safely fit into bindings that are only designed for the Alpine Norm ISO 5355.

So, if you have a binding that accepts boots with the Touring Norm ISO 9523, then it will by default accept WTR. It will also work in bindings that are labeled "WTR" compatible. A WTR sole will have more binding compatibility than a normal Touring Norm sole.

Examples of bindings:

Atomic/Salomon Warden 13

Atomic/Salomon STH2 13 or 16

Atomic/Salomon Tracker/Guardian

Any Look/Rossi "Dual" binding

Marker Lord/Griffon I.D./Jester I.D.

Marker Tour/Baron/Duke

Basically any frame touring binding too
 
13837317:onenerdykid said:
WTR is a sub-set of the Touring Norm ISO 9523. That means that a WTR sole follows the general shape and dimensions of ISO 9523, but what sets it apart are the hard AFD surfaces in the toe and heel. Neither Touring nor WTR soles will safely fit into bindings that are only designed for the Alpine Norm ISO 5355.

So, if you have a binding that accepts boots with the Touring Norm ISO 9523, then it will by default accept WTR. It will also work in bindings that are labeled "WTR" compatible. A WTR sole will have more binding compatibility than a normal Touring Norm sole.

Examples of bindings:

Atomic/Salomon Warden 13

Atomic/Salomon STH2 13 or 16

Atomic/Salomon Tracker/Guardian

Any Look/Rossi "Dual" binding

Marker Lord/Griffon I.D./Jester I.D.

Marker Tour/Baron/Duke

Basically any frame touring binding too
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Thank you! I know you must be partial to atomic, however do you have an opinion on the Lange xt130's i couldn't pass up on them for the offer. I am used to a stiffer flex and this is my first boot that has a "walk" function that isn't fully "tech" boot. Had a pair of scarpa boots for part of last season but they where my friends that he lended to me a few times.

Also is there a specific look bindings that wouldn't work with WTR? Obviously pivot probably doesn't but just wondering. Is it jusst the dual ones?

Thanks
 
Does walk to ride have an effective on binding delta in bindings where the toe piece lifts higher for clearance of th toe lug, i.e. Sth213?
 
13837428:*DOG said:
Thank you! I know you must be partial to atomic, however do you have an opinion on the Lange xt130's i couldn't pass up on them for the offer. I am used to a stiffer flex and this is my first boot that has a "walk" function that isn't fully "tech" boot. Had a pair of scarpa boots for part of last season but they where my friends that he lended to me a few times.

Also is there a specific look bindings that wouldn't work with WTR? Obviously pivot probably doesn't but just wondering. Is it jusst the dual ones?

Thanks
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The XT 130 is one of the better skiing walk-mode boots on the market, so it should perform well for you. Newer options (like Ultra XTD) can be lighter/stiffer/more supportive/more progressive, but the XT 130 should most likely outperform the Scarpa you tried, on the down at least.

Pivots won't work with WTR soles unless you buy the aftermarket WTR AFD from the CAST. But once you change to that AFD it will not work for normal alpine soles- it's pick one and stick with it.
https://casttouring.com/products/look-pivot-18-wtr-afd
 
13837563:Turnfarmer said:
Does walk to ride have an effective on binding delta in bindings where the toe piece lifts higher for clearance of th toe lug, i.e. Sth213?
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Depends on the boot. If the boot was designed with the touring norm/WTR (Hawx Ultra XTD, Maestrale RS, MTN Lab, etc.), then the ramp angle will be "normal". If the boot has swappable norm soles (Waymaker Carbon, original Cochise, Scarpa Freedom, QST, etc.) then the ramp angle is very constant between the norms since the entire binding interface is changed, not just the bottom half. If the boot was designed for the alpine norm and you switch to a Touring/WTR grip pad (Lange XT 130, new Cochise/Zero G, etc.), then the toe will be slightly higher than before which will flatten the ramp angle a bit. How much it gets flattened out depends on how much the heel changed as well (Touring/WTR is not only a change in the toe but also the heel height, but most is in the toe). This can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer due to the larger dimension tolerances in the Touring norm vs. the tight tolerances in the Alpine norm.

Depends on the binding. Toe height can either be adjusted by raising the toe (STH, Warden, etc.) or by dropping the AFD (Marker I.D. bindings, etc.). Depending on the boot you use and how the binding's toe height adjusts, your specific combination will have an impact on the ramp angle as well.
 
13837609:onenerdykid said:
The XT 130 is one of the better skiing walk-mode boots on the market, so it should perform well for you. Newer options (like Ultra XTD) can be lighter/stiffer/more supportive/more progressive, but the XT 130 should most likely outperform the Scarpa you tried, on the down at least.

Pivots won't work with WTR soles unless you buy the aftermarket WTR AFD from the CAST. But once you change to that AFD it will not work for normal alpine soles- it's pick one and stick with it.
https://casttouring.com/products/look-pivot-18-wtr-afd
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Thanks man! You definetly know your stuff. Definetly understand a lot more about WTR now.
 
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