Republicans show they are on side of BP

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WASHINGTON – A leading House Republican accused the White House Thursday of a "$20 billion shakedown" of oil giant BP by requiring the company to establish a huge fund to compensate those hurt by the Gulf Coast oil spill.Rep. Joe Barton made the assertion at the outset of a House hearing where BP's chief executive officer, Tony Hayward, was appearing for the first time before Congress.Facing Hayward at the witness table, the Texas Republicancongressman said, "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House" on Wednesday. Barton was referring to the agreement that President Barack Obama announced with BP for establishment of a $20 billion relief fund.Rep. Ed Markey sharply disagreed with Barton.Markey said the compensation fund was "not a slush fund, not a shakedown. ... It was the government of the United States working to protect the most vulnerable citizens that we have in our country right now, the residents of the Gulf.""It's BP's spill," the Massachusetts Democrat said, "but it is America'socean, and it is America's citizens who are being harmed. ... No, this is not a shakedown of the company.""This is, in my opinion, the American government working at its best."
 
Sooooooo... this suprises you how? Republicans have always stood for less governmental controll over any industry and that is the opposite of what this 20 billion dollar penalty is.

do you feel important because you can copy and paste a news article into a thread on NS just to start a shitfest? I think that unless the op can formulate some kind of logical opinion to go along with their news article than they shouldn't even bother posting it.
 
does the latter part of your comment make you feel important? really. i don't think a level of that much arrogance is necessary. and frankly i think the article is really interesting because it really raises awareness of the lack of personal responsibility the republican party seems to have. should bp pay for the spill. obviously. and i think since it's a new american government in power, and no longer george bush, you can't really say, well, the americans let them drill there, because the old government did, and not the current one. different ideologies equal different consequences. who would've thought?
 
The gov. allowed them to drill there but BP and other oil companies are forced to be that far out in the gulf where to the sea floor is 5000 feet and another 5000 feet to the oil. Where if they werent forced so far into the gulf they could drill in 500 feet of water and the oil is closer to the surface, they would not be operating in such extreme conditions and the risk of a disaster are decreased and if something like the oil spill happens it is easier to fix. My opinion is that republicans are saying that the oil spill is BP's fault and BP will have to pay for, but the company should not be bankrupted because of what happened because it was an accident. Obviously, they will take a big financial hit from this but the vilifying of BP is ridiculous.; At this point it shouldnt be about how much they have to pay or whose fault it is or "whose ass to kick", it should be about stopping the leak.
 
This thread shouldn't even be an argument.

Joe Barton is a fucking moron. Republicans and Democrats both publicly called him out for his comments.

He spoke from his heart. He honestly believes that BP is the wronged party here. He called the $20B escrow fund a "tragedy" and a "shakedown". What a pathetic loser.
 
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A new American government? The Obama admin has been in office for over a year, Congress has been controlled by the Democrats since 2007, and even though they had a super majority earlier this year (before Scott Brown,) they still didn't get anything done. Even when something happens a year into Obama's term, you still find ways to blame it on Bush instead of getting on Obama for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING thus far to remedy the situation. This bumbling fool has bungled the spill beyond anything Bush did with Katrina...Obama and his administration has consistently blocked Gulf State Governors from dealing with the spill, refused federal aid early on. After something like 20 billion gallons of oil spilled into the gulf, over a month after it happened, he finally decided to sit down with BP execs....for 20 minutes before taking an hour long lunch with Joe Biden. He would be fine if he would stop trying to pencil in his relief plan between sessions at the golf course. It's ridiculous, even Bill Maher-the extreme left wing stooge-is fed up with Obama's tepid response on this one. Just looks at the citizens of Louisiana, they have ranked the fed response to this lower than Bush's response to Katrina. And this personal responsibility you speak of...what the heck are you talking about? The Republican party didn't do shit, they have zero responsibility for this spill. Meanwhile we have a President who can't even coordinate the multiple government organizations down there trying to grab power and take over the clean up. Oh, and his speech...what a DOOZY. Here are some quotes for your reading pleasure.

From CNN:

"President Obama's speech on the gulf oil disaster

Tuesday night was written at a 10th-grade level, which, according to

analysts, may have gone over the heads of many in his audience."

And the Right Wing Media Conspiracy, MSNBC:

Tuesday night's speech from the Oval

Office of the White House was written to a 9.8 grade level, said Paul

J.J. Payack, president of Global Language Monitor. The Austin,

Texas-based company analyzes and catalogues trends in word usage and

word choice and their impact on culture.

Though

the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his

19.8 words per sentence "added some difficulty for his target

audience," Payack said.

He singled out

this sentence from Obama as unfortunate: "That is why just after the rig

sank, I assembled a team of our nation's best scientists and engineers

to tackle this challenge -- a team led by Dr. Steven Chu, a Nobel

Prize-winning physicist and our nation's secretary of energy."

“I thought it was a great speech if you’d been on another planet the

last 57 days.”-Uberdouche Kieth Olbermann.

 
Dude, come on. You dont really believe that the government made them drill that far out. They drilled out there because there was an ocean of oil under their ships. 60 Mbbls/d...

BP had a history of negligent behavior and is now being punished. I think it is awesome that Obama set up the fund.

Also there is no stopping the leak until the relief wells, so now is a good time to assign blame and compensate those who have suffered. BP doesn't have the time or man power to be going through claims, this way they pay into the fund and it is handled.

Also here is the blame from what I have been able to determine from the reports I have read.

BP: 80%

Transocean: 10%

Government Regulators: 5%

American energy policy: 3%

Human nature: 2%

Hopefully this incident will create a new environment of corporate responsibility. If I was the drilling engineer on the rig and I allowed the practices that they allowed, I would fully expect to see jail time.

As far as I am concerned the government is doing an excellent job. They have been proactive in the clean up, restoration, and compensation. That’s what the government should do, be there for the people. BP is also doing their job, taking responsibility and trying to correct their failures.

One thing is for sure, apologizing to BP during a Senate hearing that was 99% for theater, which was fucking stupid. For fucks sake Exxon hasn’t paid the majority of claims from the Valdez disaster. BP needs to pay, and now they have to.

 
you are so off base it is offensive. As someone in the industry, I can safely say that every assumption you made was incorrect.
 
you said republicans. I only saw one mentioned in your post who actually is "on the side of BP." Before you make any sweeping generalizations, do your homework and don't make such heinous claims as this.
 
you are fucking retarded. he apologized for something he thought the government did wrong. he didnt take BPs side. you fucking bandwagon liberal potheads really need to educate yourselves. fucking retards
 
I have always been a supporter of Obama. And i have always despised the Bush admin. And although I think its time for Democrats to stop the blame on Bush, I can understand their reasoning. The Bush admin's persistance of drilling and sucking every last drop of oil and money from the buisness can be held to blame, slightly. Why? Because for the 8 years that the Bush admin. was in office, they rubbed off on the American people way too much.

The American people no loner give a SHIT about the ecosystem and the environment. They have been drilling and relying on oil for so long, they just can't comprehend the destruction that "Drill Baby, Drill" has in its wake. 30 years ago, Carter was the first to say that we need to switch to a more effecient and responsible enery resource. 30 YEARS AGO!!!!! And America started to head in that direction. We were so close. And the 21st century was the perfect time to switch. But the Bush admin. persisted to drill, and ignore the warnings of destruction that it would have on the environment. So the American people did as well.

So now, you have to relize what kind of situation Obama finds himself in. He wants to switch to more enery effecient and environmentally sound energy resources. BUT HE HAS NO SUPPORT!! Those who supported the Bush admin.( A very, very large number of American citizens) opposed his ideas from the start. Never gave him a chance. Whatever he does, it will be shot down. He cant move. The Gov. says, "Do something. Do something now!!!!!!". But the American people are not willing to give up their precious oil. Whether they say they hate BP, and are outraged by the spill... you know they could never live without their gass guzzling Escalades and their privot boats. They lett go of the precious oil. The precious money that comes from that oil. And they do not have a motivation to switch to a new energy resource.

Now I understand that switching may have a negative effect on the economy. But whether we continue to drill, or switch to another energy resource, we are going to take some blows. The people need to get this, and support Obama before he can do anything big enough to make a difference.
 
seriously what on earth are you talking about? stick with numbers dude, your reasoning skills are out the fucking window. bandwagoning... explain to me how it is bandwagoning to call out that fucking retarded cowboy for that dumbass statement. that's an embarassment
 
Of course he took BP's side. He called it a tragedy! When both parties are calling him out for such a stupid comment, I think that means it was a dumbass comment to make.
 
Hilarious?

Engineers are responsible and gross negligence is cause for jail time. I took an ethics class in college where we looked at several case studies of Petroleum Engineers losing their PE or being convicted of crimes. Structural engineers and civil engineers have also been served with jail time for their mistakes.

So what is hilarious?

Due to poor practices 11 men are dead and one of the worst US environmental disasters was allowed to happen.

 
Your presumptuous diatribe labeling all Americans into a single group is laughable. If you are trying to make an educated argument, try not to misspell simple words such as "gas" and "private", it makes you look like a complete idiot. You also seem to lack a grasp of how important oil is to our economy, and how many services and products are directly attached to its production. Smart as you are "trying" to appear, you sadly fall into the whopping 72% of Americans that are unaware that plastic is a petroleum byproduct, and accounts for almost 10% of U.S. oil consumption.
 
? all i did was ask for the source, so that i can quote it because its an interesting chart... jesus you kids are up in arms about shit WOW. you maybe should take a break keyboard warrior
 
This thread title is just ridiculous. One stupid person doesn't equate to the entire fucking Republican party.
 
i want you to do me a favor and explain to me how it makes me a dumbass to ask what the source for a chart is, so that i can confidently quote it. prove to me youre not just following me around this site trying to get a jab in and failing hard at it
 
yes, i do think that happens every day to save money. did you see hayward getting his ass kicked yesterday? dont you think he wouldve made more impressive responses had he had something to argue?
 
stop giving these meaningless cliches.. "EPIC WIN lololol" "speechless." i want you to explain to me what is so dumb about asking for a source of a chart, and then explaining that. seriously, explain it
 
Now you are talking out of your ass. I understand completely how important it is. This is why I stated that switching to another energy resouce would hurt the economy, and consumers would take blows. But it has to happen. Not now, but when our economy is up. It has to happen. People are going to have to make sacrifices. Such as, phillegal, not drinking out of plastic.

and yes, I apologize for the weak spelling. I did not spell check, and I understand how weak spelling can make me look like a dumbass.
 
Ok, (DEEP BREATH). How in any way shape or form could you believe that the annual consumption of private jets, boats, or CADILLAC ESCALADES, (a humorously manufactured data group that no REAL expert would EVER create) exceeds the combined gas consumption of every other internal combustion powered vehicle in use in the United States? Including all military use AND public transportation. Understanding that this "fact" was quite obviously NOT a fact, why would you then ask, SERIOUSLY, for the original source of said chart?
 
I know the engineers were acting irresponsibily because I read the drilling reports and I have a degree in Petroleum engineering.

The rest of your post is just government vs private bs that has no basis.

You dont know what you are talking about.
 
dude ive seen waaaay dumber and more misleading (for example, weird grouping) charts and graphs. ive also seen "facts" and charts pulled out of thin air and represented as fact. so i asked for a source, rather than responding like an asshole and slowing down the debate/discourse.

now seriously cool down youre working yourself up
 
this is just plain stupid. not you per se, free-heel-skier (although telemarking IS pretty dumb), but the ideology that we must do something before its too late at the expense of our economy.
How many times does history need to prove that capitalism will force us to convert at the optimal economic juncture AS WELL AS the optimal physical juncture (well before anything reaches a critically damaging level)??
Eventually when oil does become scarce we will need to switch, and when we do we will certainly be wealthy enough to absorb any "blow" which won't be a blow at all since demand for alternative energy will proportionally increase, covering the cost of switching over.
This phenomenon switches us from VHS to DVDs, Web 2.0, 4g over 3g, 5.56mm NATO round from 30 ought 6, computers over typewriters, and is making hybrids, recycling, etc cool. No it is not activists like you that have pressured anyone for the recent onslaught of hybrids and the "green" movement-- its simply the 2007-2008 spike in gas prices as well as an overall marketing trend.
Making sacrifices now would only be a stupid act in futile preemptiveness. WE don't have to sacrifice. you can if you want. but when the market wants it, it will happen.
 
I am truly struggling to understand how someone could lack such basic common sense
Do you really think someone could actually quantify the percentage of petrol use in private jets, boats and cadilac esclades??
Or were you actually unintelligent enough to believe that this number could actually amount to almost 90% of the nations use of petrol??
I often see some truly retarded statements on NS..but you sir may have just taken the crown
ipso facto youre a dumbass.
 
dude i glanced at a graph, questioned it, asked for a source. it's over. if you want we can consider this a win for you so you dont get blue balls
 
Again you don’t know what you are talking about. Its not a bad thing, you just don’t know.

Harrell is a Transocean hand, not BP. He was rig operations, not well design or procedures. The BP engineers, the ones responsible, went ahead with displacing with salt water when they had 1500 psi well blowing back at them. They also only sat for a couple hours on a cement job and had many indicators that they had a wet shoe. Halliburton also warned them of the bad cement job.

They were reckless and negligent with this well and I am certain criminal charges will be filed. They were under a lot of pressure; they had to sidetrack the well earlier and were far behind schedule. That does not change anything though; they still acted in a way that was extremely if not insanely dangerous. Any drilling engineer looking at what they did would easily agree with me.

And of course it has to do with money, and again you don’t understand what is going on. It is no some evil penny pinching exec making the calls, it is the guys on the rig and the drilling manager.

And I wasn’t trying to impress anyone, just trying to lend credibility to my post.

 
I am uneducated on legal matters. Maybe they will get off I dont know.

However I do have acces to internal email and drilling reports because I know several engineers who work for BP. However I got the drilling reports from a friend at Anadarko who has was getting daily emails on drilling progress and attached drilling reports.

If they dont go to jail, I will be really really suprised and I will lose some faith in the US justice system. The BP engineers, not the TO tool pusher, acted very poorly.

So ya you are right I dont know what will happen, I didnt like being called out in your first post but I see where you are coming from.

What they did was a crime in my eyes. It would be like a bridge engineer knowing that his design would fail in high winds. Then when it got windy selling tickets for people to stand on the bridge. That is how bad it is.
 
Not all republicans are on BP side, just the texans. This is why:

Taxas=Fuck you state

Republican= love of $$$ + Oil

BP=$$$ + Oil

Its like peanut butter and jelly

I dont care if you guys hate the Obama admin, but Obama took less vacation, trying to exit the full free market of fail and now warns other G20 countries about a second recession. I dont know about you, but this guy is commited to make the US better, and rise its world reputation.
 
yeah but BP chose not to put the emergency shut off device in this pump. I posted an article a while back about how BP voluntarily uses this emergency shut off mechanism in other pumps of theirs. This therefore puts them at fault.
 
thanks for that, I feel like a lot of people are just repeating whatever propaganda they hear on the news without looking at what is really going on.
 
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