Republican School Board Members Enforcing "Patriotic Pledge"
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MiIfHunter
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Nobody gives a fuck about ur small shit town
AndrewGravesSV
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Its locked behind a paywall/ subscribers only for me but I can only imagine that its fair cuz the liberal leftist antifa colleges radicalize kids smh. We need to really instill those traditional values early or else our children could end up partial to BLM the horror
skierman
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14352383:MiIfHunter said:
This is happening across the country. Far-right Republicans are using the imaginary threat of CRT in public schools to gain access to school boards and are now implementing "pledges" to force compliance, restrict educational material under the threat of legal action to the extent of banning books and threatening teachers.
SuspiciousFish
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14352398:skierman said:
"Imaginary threat of CRT"
Then you have stuff like this...
AndrewGravesSV
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14352399:skierman said:
I should've added a /s
People oppose CRT because they don't understand it and it makes them uncomfortable. With CRT you have to confront the reality that white european men structured society for their own benefit, systematically oppressed everyone else around them, and a lot of those systems stay in place. Thats a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people especially when they take it as a personal attack. Parents want their children to stay pure and live in a world where the pilgrims and native americans got along at Thanksgiving and bullshit. At some point we need to teach them about the reality because non white kids learn pretty early on that they're different due to racial incidents.
Kids brains are plastic and can absorb and accept a lot, thats why there's this push to just teach propaganda. The pledge in question is below, if you can't see the issues with requiring a "patriotic" curriculum is dangerous then idk what to tell you.
https://www.1776action.org/pledge/candidate/
Monsieur_Patate
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Americans and their pledges lmao
Btw this reminds me, and I didn't go to school in the US so idk, but is it true that kids have to recite the pledge of allegiance every day before class?
Btw this reminds me, and I didn't go to school in the US so idk, but is it true that kids have to recite the pledge of allegiance every day before class?
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topic:skierman said:
no thank you
SuspiciousFish
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14352545:r00kie said:
The funny thing is the Pledge of Allegiance started in 1892 as a marketing gimmick by a guy that sold flags.
GayWolf420
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Yeah I like CRT
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14352428:AndrewGravesSV said:
The link at the bottom describes things that should be happening in school what’s the big deal to be patriotic
MoneyMakerMike
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14352428:AndrewGravesSV said:
I’m genuinely curious. How is their systematic oppression in current America? It seems many colleges and corporate companies seek diversity so it’s actually less competitive to be a minority trying to progress in our current climate
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dolanslebensraum
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14352398:skierman said:
Critical retard theory is cancer
anything to counteract CRT is good
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14352709:MoneyMakerMike said:
If you're born into systemic poverty, it is hard to leave that, even with some of the affirmative action type help. The amount of people who are born into those shitty situations that date back hundreds of years is far higher than the number of people who benefit from affirmative action.
14352428:AndrewGravesSV said:
While I agree that a lot of the people against CRT don’t understand it, the people for it, even more so don’t understand what it really is. Which is by design, critical theory in general is a win at all cost ideology that doesn’t play by the same rules as any normal person seeking truth has to adhere to.
A good way to begin to understand critical theory is that it seeks to liberate society from liberalism. Critical RACE theory is basically race Marxism. It views race as the central construct of all inequality, and doesn’t have to consider other factors. Because truth isn’t it’s goal, power, and adhering to their utopian vision is what concerned about.
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14352709:MoneyMakerMike said:
Bro there are people going to college and competing in the job market today whose grandparents were legally not allowed into the same schools as whites or were not educated at all. You learn almost everything from your parents and when their education is severely underfunded that disadvantage is passed down through generations. Also consider redlining, destruction of minority families through discriminatory policing, the way schools are funded disproportionately through property taxes, etc.
I know you don't actually care or want a legitimate answer but yea
MoneyMakerMike
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14352960:broto said:
Why you mad? I was asking an actual question
piss.boy
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I'm fully aware of how ignorant I am in saying this but why does politics get involved with education. I feel like a "patriotic education" sounds retarded. Are they just gonna paint the Americans in a good light in history class? Didn't read the whole article but sounds like a load shit
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14353179:Piss_Boy said:
Well to summarize, a bunch of angry, ignorant white people blindly believed what Fox News and Trump were telling them about what their kids were learning and instead of taking the time to understand, they're now implementing a literal white washing of U.S. history, indoctrinating their kids on populist, anti-immigrant propaganda.
Ya know, no big deal. Just the same shit the Nazi's did before they destroyed democracy and set up death camps for anyone who opposed their views.
WoFlowz
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Lol not commenting on the right vs left part of this. But does every school not already say a pledge of allegiance every morning? It’s super stupid IMO there’s only like two other countries that do and it’s North Korea and Singapore. Weirdest shit ever half the time kids don’t even get up or say anything a teachers keep on teaching.
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14352405:SuspiciousFish said:
The only one of those videos I had any problem with was the third one and that's just because I think it's wrong to put kids on the spot like that. You can talk about those issues without forcing kids to show the rest of the class how advantaged/disadvantaged they are. The last video was taken out of context and I don't even understand what was wrong with the first two
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I went to a large inner city public high school, went to public university, and private grad school. Everything I learned about the US in school in areas like social studies basically in some context painted the US in a very negative light, focusing almost entirely on the repression of minorities, with specific attention emphasized around slavery and the treatment of native Americans. We watched the entire Roots series in 7th grade while learning about slavery. I don't recall anything patriotic or patriotism ever being mentioned positively. Standing for the pledge, back when it even happened elementary school, was qualified with options to stay seated, remain silent, or to turn away from the flag.
I have lived abroad and traveled to almost 30 countries, and it astounds me when Americans refer to the US as patriotic or xenophobic or any of that. Most (if not all) countries are far, far prouder of themselves and their history than is the US. Countries like Mexico or Turkey (as random examples - Catholic and Islamic) are overtly zealously patriotic, and it is roundly considered a positive thing in those places.
In fact, the US is the only country I know of that has a whole culture devoted to hating itself, and whose society is so completely fractured and confused about its own identity. The US is for sure the only place I've been where half of the majority ethnicity is literally ashamed of its own current iteration to the point it is destroying the very things that even give it a voice. It's absolutely fucking wild, and I would guess it is the first time in the history of the planet that something like this has taken place.
**This post was edited on Nov 27th 2021 at 7:35:04pm
I have lived abroad and traveled to almost 30 countries, and it astounds me when Americans refer to the US as patriotic or xenophobic or any of that. Most (if not all) countries are far, far prouder of themselves and their history than is the US. Countries like Mexico or Turkey (as random examples - Catholic and Islamic) are overtly zealously patriotic, and it is roundly considered a positive thing in those places.
In fact, the US is the only country I know of that has a whole culture devoted to hating itself, and whose society is so completely fractured and confused about its own identity. The US is for sure the only place I've been where half of the majority ethnicity is literally ashamed of its own current iteration to the point it is destroying the very things that even give it a voice. It's absolutely fucking wild, and I would guess it is the first time in the history of the planet that something like this has taken place.
**This post was edited on Nov 27th 2021 at 7:35:04pm
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14354052:TOAST. said:
Both maybe, I dunno. Things aren't getting better for anyone though I don't think. By almost any measurable standard this country is in decline.
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14352398:skierman said:
I understand that you are mentally disabled, but I'll ask you to define what part of this is "Far Right" anyway:
Restoring "honest, patriotic education" that cultivates in children "a profound love for our country."
Promoting a curriculum that teaches that "all children are created equal, have equal moral value under God, our Constitution and the law, and are members of a national community united by our founding principles."
Prohibiting curriculum that "pits students against one another" on the basis of race or sex.
Preventing schools from "politicizing education" by prohibiting curriculum that requires students to protest or lobby during or after school.
Wow, let's all grab the pitchforks. "Imaginary threat of CRT", "Force compliance", ya...can't cite a single real example of those things happening in regards to "Far Left". Give me a break, both extremes of our political system are actively going fucking crazy right now and actually doing the things you say they are not. This is not an extreme example at all though, this is what normal used to be before we all decided to give an incredibly small philosophical minority a large percentage of cultural and political influence. If the majority actually got their way, instead of the two extreme ends, we'd enjoy normal again and everyone could chill the fuck out.
In b4 you say some uneducated bullshit you saw on TV while hilariously referencing "fOx nEWs tRumP rAciSkismist" again, use evidence this time instead.
MiIfHunter
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14354431:Dustin. said:
What university did u attend brutha?
TOAST.
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14354431:Dustin. said:
My problem with this is the "honest, patriotic education" part, to me that screams to ignore the bad shit since I know a lot of people that say "if you don't like it then leave" anytime you criticize the US. Should just be an honest education. I don't think we need to delve into every dark part of our history for 1st graders, but high school students should get a good understanding of it, my high school left a lot to be desired when it came to American involvements in other countries and even post slavery America. I do believe that we need to take a look at topics with an understanding of what were norms for the time, but that also doesn't mean we shouldn't look at how it affected the suppressed. I am also not saying we should only look at negatives, if taught well we should be able to see our improvements throughout history and still have a sense of patriotism.
hoodratz47
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I think I did the pledge of allegiance in like third grade. And then they had all the potential jurrors in a case do it. And I just stood there
14352506:Monsieur_Patate said:
Shit's pretty dumb honestly. Because you're going to become a communist or something if you don't.
We def could do without that shit. It's honestly kind of weird and archaic. I guess it's pretty engrained in tradition at this point but it's just strange.
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14354431:Dustin. said:
The parts that signal this is some right wing shit is the "honest, patriotic education", the equal moral value under God, and the emphasis on the constitution. The under God part excludes other belief systems and reeks of the Evangelical influence in modern far right. Separation of church and state be damned. Honest and patriotic education while looking at history is at its core nationalistic propaganda; the whole goal is to instill a profound love for our country right?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/colorado-students-protest-proposed-curriculum-changes
"She says she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined – that A.P. History casts some parts of history in a negative light, such as the bombing of Hiroshima and places too much emphasis on slavery and women’s rights."
Imagine being upset that some kids think it was fucked up that the US wiped two cities off the map or that women and brown people didn't have the right to vote for the majority of the country's history. In essence, it feels like people are mad that kids who think critically can come to the conclusion that the US isn't the best country on Earth, and they're worried that those kids will try and make change. I think public education should produce critical thinkers and that it has failed at that for a while. We see more and more students protesting and taking action because they get historical information/ alternative perspectives through twitter or tik tok or whatever. I'd much rather our curriculum paint an honest view of America's wrongs rather than rely on randos on twitter with their own biases. I don't think that its extreme at all to say that race is a central theme in America's history and its naive to think that it hasn't shaped our society today.
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Its important to get as many perspectives you can along with an honest and accurate view of history to inform your beliefs. Censoring other perspectives means that the main goal is to keep the order and current systems in place. In other words, this stupid pledge is trying to CONSERVE the system we already have, and to make sure kids don't question it.
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14355884:AndrewGravesSV said:
This is something concerning me as well. One positive thing about Trump initially was that he burned down the Bush era NeoCon party. This of course left an ideological power vacuum that was filled by Trump's own personality. Now that Trump is more or less out of the picture, the hard line Republicans are playing off the more extreme leftists politics to move the party back to the NeoCon fold which is not good at all.
In any case, its good the history classes are moving to a more contextual education instead of the regurgitate dates on a scantron bullshit. Knowledge is facts but context is wisdom and history gives context to the present.
Also ironically we only nuked Hiroshima because we were running out of cities that were not already levelled by firebombing. The Japanese government didnt care it was getting levelled and civilians were dying and they were prepared to allow every civilian to die in an invasion to bleed the USA into a more favorable surrender. It was actually the threat of the USSR invading that made the Japanese realize the game was up so they used the nukes to save face and surrender to the USA and not become a communist state. Needless to say the agreement worked out well for them but my point is history is far more nuanced than spraying dates onto a multiple choice.
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14352405:SuspiciousFish said:
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14352398:skierman said:
CRT isn't imaginary but republicans will use it to their benefit while stealing from the poor.
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14352405:SuspiciousFish said:
Critical race theory comes from the Frankfut school's critical theory. Figure out the rest for yourselves. Remember, critical theory can be used by anyone to benefit their in-group for almost anything. I suspect republicans will come out with an opposition CRT group by 2040. 2060 will feature the western sectarian race war and on Oct 1st 2070 the entire human race will die from nuclear war.
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14352399:skierman said:
Ben Shapiro should be expelled from the US.
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14352506:Monsieur_Patate said:
Yes, kids also have to stand in silence for 30 seconds for the great Rebbe Schneerson, as he wonderfully termed 'The moment of silence' in public schools So kids must hoorah to US inc., and then stand in silence for a racist rabbi who thinks gentiles are cattle. AMERICA.