Republican/Conservative or Democrat/Liberal

you can't decide what is wrong and right for everyone. so grow up and deal with the fact that people are going to say what they want. stop using big words to make yourself sound smart because you sound like an jackass (pun intended). you made no point with this post, and maybe your friend shouldn't have a pink name, makes him even more of a pussy. STOP ARGUING AND LET ME POST AS I CHOOSE.
 
It's highly likely that many people on this site base their partisan affiliation on inaccurate conceptions of both parties, both ideologically and morally.

I wouldn't be surprised if half the "liberal" kids in this thread weren't liberals at all. Ditto on the "conservatives."
 
WOLOLOLOLOLOLOL children on this site :') if I were so inclined and not under probation I'd remove you from the userdb myself. Thank the mods you're still here.
 
You still have yet to form a valid argument for anything you say, resorting to petty and irrelevant insults instead. And you somehow managed to label a republican a leftist just for disagreeing with your general stupidity. What's worse, you put Nala in danger.
 
I like you waffle :)

- US democrats would be called center/rightwingists in other developed countries. Calling them socialists/communists is insanely ignorant.

- Almost all the countries with good shape economies would be liberal economies in the US. (Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Netherland.. Even France)

- Guns should be regulated. Every year you're on the top of the murder/killing charts.

- US education system is absolute bullshit.

- Religion is ruining your country. Fortunately you have a closet atheist as a president, you should be thankful. Hopefully mass religion will be dead in the next 2 centuries.

- People against gay rights and universal medical coverage are plain racist, morally and socially dead. US is 50 years behind and those matters.

- If Palin runs for president next year, Republicans will again be the laughing stock of the world, which is just sad.

Seriously US, get your shit together.

ps: Yes english is not my first language. It's actually my 3rd and that's an other subject where you should activate a bit. We all know English is the world language but it wouldn't hurt you to get your brains wrapped around some an other one for a change. Chinese would be a good choice right now.

ps2: This post is entirely sarcastic...... or ist it ? :D
 
I'm pretty sure that every polital party has failed us so far.. except maybe a few presidents like Kennedy and Martin Lurther Kind Jr.. oh wait he was never a president.. nm.. should have been.. damn. It doesn't really matter if you call yourself democrat or republican because they've both done absolutely nothing for the people in office. I've given myself the title of "liberal" or "moderate" or "honestly don't care". No one keeps their promises and therefore can not be trusted, everyone is the same regardless of intention. This goes for certain religions as well.
 
Is it bad to be an American and love America-bashing?

Just want to reiterate the point previously made that George Washington forewarned that the formation of political parties could possibly be lethal to the US (foreshadowed current reality). The interesting thing is that the divide between parties started in the very next election.....couldn't compromise then, can't compromise now.

Grow the fuck up, no one has the essentially correct idea. There's no perfection with 300+ million people's opinions, but there's a way to find a middle ground. If so many countries in Europe can do it, with a far larger population between so many countries (I know their platforms aren't all what our 'compromise' would look like, but it's a start) then can't there be at least an attempt in the US? Stonewalling never helped anyone in the longrun.

Luckily, in the US a good portion of the population doesn't play into all the political drama that makes us all look like ass clowns. Those are the people that, even if America looks like a bunch of ignorant retards, make America the place that has some of the best hospitals, universities, and other research institutions in the world.

Sure, I'll give plenty of credit to European and other international institutions because they put forth plenty of groundbreaking discoveries, but the US can't be dismissed as that place between Canada and Mexico led by a closet-Atheist black guy populated by a bunch of inebriated rednecks. We're better than that and, withstanding our political appearance, we're more than the world police that our political agenda tends to make our population be seen as.

I'd always thought I was on the liberal side of things, but when I actually opened up and read the platforms of the conservative party's representative in the 08 election, I was almost swayed to the other side; however, their social stances (abortion, gay rights, etc) stopped me in my tracks (plus, there was Palin and that was just a smack in the face to anyone who even lived in the states, legally or illegally!). Sadly, there's no middle ground and I like the color blue more, plus my family's all democratic, so I voted for Obama. Once again, the partisanship of our political system leaves those of us open-minded enough to try either, in the gutter. Probably won't vote next time unless there's a fair enough fight on the more local side of the ballot. Think globally, act locally, if you really want to change anything.
 
im conservative on almost every issue, i just cannot stand most liberals, at least hardcore liberals, and liberal values in a lot of cases just seem insanely ridiculous to me. but at the same time conservatives can piss me off. both parties are completely fucked and corrupt, and i really cant call myself a republican because id feel like an ass. and while i mostly agree with conservative values, modern day republicans seem to have very different ideas, ive been surprised at how liberal some of republicans ideas are, and how conservative some democrats values are.
 
Well, that was an extremely good post.

I'll stress again the fact you made about outsiders view of the US. If there were more people with a balance and well informed stance like you, I'm pretty sure your country would be on the right tracks in no time.
 
That's why the partisan political system is absolute bullshit. There are a lot of overlaps, yet the belief is that both are totally separate, which is incredibly deprecating to the system in general. The problem, though, is that there are always people who need to have it their way, and no matter how many different political platforms there are, there would still be discrepancies, and thus political arguments. The never-ending problem is ignorance and lack of the ability to compromise.

Something I also liked that was stated earlier is the idea that privatizing governmental work would create more competition and faster completion of projects. We always say that there are 2 guys working and 5 guys watching on governmental infrastructure projects, but if there were private companies doing that work, projects would be finished faster, pay would be higher for workers, and the quality of work would probably be better in the end, making infrastructure that would last longer. Arguable, but entirely plausible.

(Obviously this applies to work that is done by local governments, not my contracted companies.)
 
Acception by a European(?). Woot woot! America's full of idiots, but there are tons of intelligent non-neanderthals in our fair country! Though we are portrayed as bigots by our own media 95% of the time. Just gotta get past all the fluffernutters. I'd carry my agenda all the way to the White House, but I'm not nearly extraverted enough to carry through, not to mention there are far more personal preoccupations I'd rather foray in, and I probably wouldn't get elected with all the dickwads that actually vote.
 
And this is the platform the Republican candidates run on now, as well. With Michele Bachmann (current ex-gay advocate, roe v. wade repealing, anti-adoption, anti-single parent, anti-masturbation, anti-contraceptive, anti-immigration stance) taking 18% (last I checked) of the nominational vote behind Romney. This is more than enough evidence to brand the Republican, especially its Conservative basis, as detrimental to the US. That we are about to see an election in which the major proponents of +/- 50% of the voting population want to deny 15-20% (this includes all LGBT) Americans fundamental rights is sad, if not infuriating.
 
Waffle, there was a gay kid in my class last quarter that said something that honestly kinda surprised me:

"Democrats pander to the LBGT community by saying they are gonna do something to change it. They won't, they just want votes. At least the Republicans are up front about not giving a shit"
 
>implying any intelligent people in this thread (oxymoronololo) have >implied that either party doesn't suck balls.

>implying voting for anyone else will have changed anything

>implying america isn't already a cross between A Brave New World and 1984

Your country is fucked. The majority of the American population are misinformed dumbass fat fucks who are brainwashed and manipulated into ignoring major political issues and distracted by petty arguments and a false-dichotomy (that word makes me sound smarter). Lets go shopping and buy more shit and watch more sports and oh fuck Derek Jeter is cheating on his wife oh my god Harry Potter oh fuck shit Jersey Shore olololol Obama is a socialist terrorism mcdonalds watch Shaq have a dance off with Justin Beiber oh my god amazing fucking fireworks Transformers 3 robots big explosions look over there abortion oh shit fuck gays are ruining our country jesus hates fags immigrants ruining everything fuck shit cunt fuck god bless america.
 
Kinda drunk at this point so I'm not entirely clear on what you're saying, but anyone who's 'anti-adoption, anti-single parent, anti-masturbation, anti-contraceptive, anti-immigration,' is incredibly unconnected to the real world and has no idea what is going on for a small, yet very real and necessarily represented portion of our population. Definitely agree that fundamental rights are being destroyed with that stance....it's incredibly depressing that voting against the opposing party, just to try and keep their platform from becoming reality, is an option. Really makes voting in the next election take on a whole new light.
 
Not really European, I'm Swiss.

As much harsh I spitted over the US in my last posts, I am by no means saying Europe is perfect. Right now I pretty happy Switzerland voted against joining the European partnership a decade ago. Europe is facing a critical crisis right now with the need to bail out Greece, Ireland, Iceland and with Italy and Spain coming quickly behind. If no solution, the Euro concept will crush down in the next 2 years.

I think they should cut down a number of countries and start again with a limited group of core countries whose economies can afford such a project. Accepting so many smaller and still developing economies was a mistake.

Anyway, Switzerland is doing great and I should stop worrying about others and be happy with what I have

But this is not the subject.
 
It did seem like they were, but then you have to remember that DOMA is soon to be repealed under Obama, DADT already was, ENDA is supported by the Democratic party, and Obama refused to support a repeal of the repeal of Prop 8. So yes, he's partially correct in the fact that they use us for votes. The problem with his statement is that, though we are not priority, our needs are slowly being met by the democratic party.
 
^^The problem is that's not what (I see, may be wrong) is the majority of the US population. That's just what is represented by our media and is thus, what is broadcast across the globe--we all know any television station does their best to attract viewers to get more advertising money.

What you're saying definitely isn't representative of a very small minority, there are a lot of fallacious (good word!) dumbfucks in the US, but there are a lot of people who don't need to be part of the American global representation. What they do speaks for themselves and doesn't need worldwide media attention to bring in respect and kudos from the world audience who is paying attention. Maybe switch what media outlet you're paying attention to?
 
I am a hard core Communist.

but seriously ryan66 if i were you i would stop while you still have more karma than posts.
 
I'm gonna say this and I know, I KNOW I will piss some people off with this but I am against repealing DADT. But please, at least hear me out.

In the military, you get made fun of, for fucking EVERYTHING. You're white you get called a cracker, honkey, or any other sort of thing like a wigger. You're black, well... you know what they'll get called. Mexicans, Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans get made fun of too. With DADT being gone and everyone's sexual preference out in the open so to speak it's only a matter of time before some homosexual Marine gets told to "take the stick out of your ass and do your job fudge packer" and the screams of "HATE SPEECH HATE SPEECH" will start.
 
And the black troops in WWII never had to deal with racism? The point of the army is to do your job. Gay troops do their jobs, and they do them well.
 
Nobody's perfect; definitely no secret there are parts of the Euro that are going down the shitter. With that said, we can all learn from one another. Take for instance, California in the US: It is full of incredibly rich people, has one of the largest economies in the world, and yet, is still in/facing bankruptcy (I'm not totally up to date in facts here). The point is that their leadership hasn't been taking advantage of the incredible resources it has at their fingertips. While I don't necessarily agree with taxation all over, Santa Barbara hasn't taxed the 7 oil rigs off its shores for any of its earnings since 1959, and their real estate property taxes (on multi-million dollar homes) doesn't escalate with changing market values. Just something to think about.
 
Did I say they didn't do their job? No, I didn't. Fact is, it's harder for everyone to do their jobs when they have to tiptoe around being PC and shit.
 
Is anyone really pc in the army? I could swear I've heard the N, B, F, and C words as frequently as any other in many a testimony. From what I've heard, PC only really applies to bureaucratic processes, not socializing.
 
^bloomberg is the best nowadays. fox is the truth but i get so angry at the stupidity of this country when i watch fox. Bloomberg is great. Russia today was good until recently because it went way liberal lately
 
That's the thing I am saying though. People expect to get thrown a racial insult in the military. My worry is that some homosexual, like the 1 I had to work with one summer, will take someone "getting on their ass" as the saying goes as someone being a homophobe.
 
The only good shoes on Fox come on at 6pm ET and 7pm ET with 'Special Report with Bret Baer' and 'Studio B with Shepard Smith'. Both Baer and Smith just ask OTHER people questions and never interject their own commentary.
 
Quite liberal on some issues, but most definitely conservative overall. Living in Seattle has pushed me further and further right as I have gotten older.
 
Let's not forget about the ludicrous pensions that government employees in California receive, just another reason for me to support privatization of Caltrans projects. What boggles my mind is that Texas, a state with more land and less people, can have the lowest taxes in the nation and be so well-off while California, a state with less land and more people, is struggling. The state just needs to start cutting programs, just as the federal government does because neither can obviously support those programs.
 
Progressive liberal, I am half filipino/white male. I just believe that some things should not be runned for profit but for the good of a majority of the country. Also capitalism works to an extent because it plays into mans greatest flaw, greed.
 
you're basically asking Aids or Cancer. Fuck, both sides of this political spectrum are too completely similar. I promote agnostic anarchy. But you dont know what that means.
 
Think of that money as made up out of thin air, already spent, and it's just that we're never getting the imaginary money back... Because that is literally what happened.

What happened is that the Department of Corporate Welfare sent them a huge check and everything was paid back except for the 1.3 billion that they're just saying "fuck it, we're never going to see that money ever again"
 
aotera thats not really true. mr obama is a dishonest person and he misleads the public by relying on falsehoods. The republicans are much more honest, especially beohner. For example, OBAMA BLAMES THE REPUBLICANS FOR NOT COMING UP WITH A DEAL WHEN ALL OBAMA DOES IS TALK AND THE REPUBLICANS WORK HARD TO COME UP WITH THE NECESSARY CUTS TO GET US BACK TO A BALANCED BUDGET, AND OBAMA SAYS ITS "DEAD ON ARRIVAL" The other day obama and beohner had a deal agreed upon but later obama changed his mind because of the stupid fucking gang of six, trying to act like heros.... OBAMA IS THE IMPEDIMENT HERE. STANDARD AND POOR SAID IT WILL HAVE TO BE 4 TRILLION IN CUTS OR THEY WILL DOWNGRADE US. Obama wants only tiny cuts that will lead us to a S&P downgrade... So the reality is, if you want the us to continue raising our debt, we will eventually go bankrupt, and michelle obama will be working at mcdonalds
 
I'm not really into politics but im going to say conservative. I think social welfare (generally) is absolutely retarded, the fact that we are paying people to not work is so counter productive and such a waste of our countries money i want to shoot someone. I have actually meant people who live relatively nice lives with out working a day in their lives.
 
Liberal for fucking sure, but Europe is handing our ass to us as far as political practices go. Parliamentary systems kick a two party system's ass any day. Germany has a better government than we do by far
 
Tri-failing takes some serious skill.

Huck is conservative, but not right wing. Republican but willing to listen to moderate dems. The left wing makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
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