Question for the moderators

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g-dubs

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Well sorry for bringing up the topic of moderation again, but I just wanted to ask the moderaters (I know who some of you are, but not others) what criteria you use to decide when to delete a thread.

I guess I am wondering why any thread brought up relating to smoking herb is deleted quickly (I'm assuming because its illegal, but maybe there are other reasons)? I mean first of all talking about it doesnt really hurt anything, and I know that Harvey couldn't get sued or shut down or whatever because there are literally hundreds of forums on the web about nothing but marijuana. And all we are saying here is about smokign and whatnot, we arent using your site to sell to each other or anything. Plus it is really hypocritical because I open up the page and I see three or four threads on the first page alone about drinking and everyone posting in them is 13 or 14 year old kids talking about getting drunk. So whats the difference if we talk about using one illegal substance versus talkign abotu using another?

I'm sure you guys could ask whoever you wanted on this site and they wouldnt be offended or shocked or anythign that some people smoke weed or whatnot. I'm only writing this because I have only recently returned to this site because there has recently been more interesting conversation. It seems like for the past six months abotu the only conversation allowed and promoted by the moderators involves a few all male members creating these little online cliques featuring little cartoon pictures next to their names and kidding about how they find each other sexy. Honestly you could come on this site and all that existed in these forums were the same 10 guys talkign about each other and making little playful jokes towards each other that were probably as offensive in their flaming homosexuality as any discussion about marijuana could ever be.

I'm not targeting the moderators or anything, but it seems like you guys prefer a forum that is more like a little club house with a few overly close members and an attitude liek a fifth grade classroom. I think that is unfortuante because I have followed this site for a couple of years now, and I don't want a shitty and boring site. I really think we are all mature enough to talk about subjects that touch the fringes of society (like marijuana), and maybe if we have moderators who are 'rebel' 's we don't need to always stick right to the standards of common acceptance. So I guess I am asking the moderators a question... why can't we loosen up a little bit? why can't we be free to discuss what we want? what are the reasons for this heavy handed rule and close control, and is it really necessary?

'There are only two powers in the world...the sword of the oppressor and the spirit of the oppressed. In the long run, the sword is always defeated by the spirit.'
 
hmm yeah.. I don't delete the stuff about pot.. I don't even smoke but it's something that is barely illegal. I think stories and stuff are perfectly fine, discussion is good. but the only thing that I wouldn't want is like 'you wanna buy weed from me?' or shit like that, but other than that I think it's all good, I'm pro-pot...

MD... Dain bramaged.
 
I feel that the control of marijuana related topics here is the same as any other place. If you go around school talking about how blazed you were at some party last night then the teachers will probably say something, same with any work place. Although it is a large part of teenage culture, it is still an illegal substance and is still not accepted by the rest of society.

We also have a large number (most likely the majority) of members on this site who donot smoke and want nothing to do with it. We do not want to portray our sport as a bunch of potheads to all the young up and commers. Nor do we want the parents of these kids, or possible ionvestors in the site to have a problem with the content.

We are trying to keep this sites as friendly to everyone as possible...some content gets deleted and some doesnt and that is just the way it is. I dont think any of the moderators have a vendeta against anyone who is involved in anyway with marijuana. We just feel that if you do it, fine, you just dont have to announce it to the entire world. You dont go running around your city screaming ' I smoke pot' do you?

CMc

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win or loose, its how drunk you get.' - Homer

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The way I remember it, Matt started having moderators after more than 50% of the threads in non-skigabber was about 'I'm cool because I smoke up.' For those of us to don't smoke up, or who quit our habbits, NS didn't seem as welcoming as it once did.

Moderators are given the freedom to moderate what they choose (even though they ar monitored), things differ from one mod to an other. I personally will let a thread stay if it's about being cool becaue you smoke up AND there is some other substance to it.

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Lesbians are made by leaving whores in the closet with a bottle of fish food.
 
Having drug-related content on Newschoolers.com is grounds for getting booted off the server, so we get rid of it. You want this site to be around, we have to remove it.

As for saying that the only thing allowed is club-house talk from a small bunch of people, you obviously haven't actually looked around the site in the last 2 years. Check it out, you'll show yourself that that is not even remotely true.

Matt

 
'For those of us to don't smoke up, or who quit our habbits, NS didn't seem as welcoming as it once did.' HAHAHAHA thats just a joke, come on are you serious, you didnt feel as welcome here because people talked about pot, grow up.

And i do see that clubhouse thing hes talking about, he was totally right, the forums do get a little boring when half the threads are inside jokes with other members joking around about them being sexy. I really think that people talking about marijuana is as relevant as people talking about sex or drinking constantly. There are also alot of threads on mtn biking but it doesnt feel any less friendly here just because i dont bike.

But Harvey i guess since talking about marijuana is grounds for dismissal then thats the end of it and nothing else really matters. So i guess you cant really do anything about it if you want the site to be around although it would be cool to be able to have some threads about it but oh well its still a great site.

 
personally, i would've never put my site on a server that didn't allow even slight freedom of speech.

that's just me though...



'I am going back online. I feel safe there.' - Piot Modrak aka lord_piot

Frostmonkey

 
hey - at least we got a server that works right now... don't complain.

Darryl Hunt

aka - highschool

representing the H.J.S. forever

'I wish I was done with school!!!

I wanna start my life!! :))' Johan (the swede)
 
MacMahoooon, why can we not allow somthing like weed but leave in things like getting erections and rapeing eachother. If you were to walk around school talking about how your friend (a guy) made you ejaculate i think the teachers would say somthing too. The same applies for swearing. You dont walk down the halls going FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKITTY FUCK. What im trying to say here is that there is alot worse things on the site than smoking pot.

**I'd rather be skiing**

'this cold weather is going to cause me to kill something. watch out lady bugs - you're going down!!!!' - Mr.Hunt

'i'm tired of people talking shit when they dont know whats up.. i'll tell everybody off including god himself... i dont give a fuck.' - Dirty.
 
did you know that you can get a fine for swearing in Whistler Village? I read that somewhere... and as soon as I heard it I went for a walk through the village swearing about everything... people just looked at me wierd.

Darryl Hunt

aka - highschool

representing the H.J.S. forever

'I wish I was done with school!!!

I wanna start my life!! :))' Johan (the swede)
 
yeah having drug related stuff on here would probably repel sponsors also

Whats the most important factor in winning a halfpipe competition?

some guy:'boostin wicked air, spinnin sweet moves, and tweakin the fuck out of it---thats a pissah run in my books'
 
I guess some people just don't read answers to questions, so I'll say it again:

We can't allow discussions about drugs because it's against our server's rules and we could get kicked off.

You're right, we could've found a server that allowed it, but then we'd be paying about 10 times as much. I looked for a good deal on servers for about a month, and freeskier14 found us this server which was about a quarter the price of the cheapeast one I had found. So here's the deal: you want to talk about drugs without the risk of getting the boot? Everyone give me $1000/month and I'll do it.

I love how some people just bitch day in and day out about something that they are getting for free. That's like me giving you a pair of skis and you complaining that they have a scratch on them. Stop complaining.

Matt

 
word to matt. if i would have thought of that, i would have said trhe exact thing word for word

matt harvey, i apoligize on behalf of ns

Brody

i wont drop out of high school for skiing, mom

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Harvey- Harvey perhaps you misunderstood, I certainly wasn't bitching and it didn't really sound like anyone else was either. This part of the site is, according to you, for making suggestions about the site. My suggestion about the site was, in a few more wrods, that perhaps you and the moderators should take a closer look at your moderating strategies, because obviously your current method is pretty hypocritical since soem matters of an admittedly illegal nature are forbidden, while other matters of an equally illegal nature or matters of a perverse or obscene nature are openly discuessed, I don't need to explain because myself and others have already doen so. If you want a broader base of feedback or more examples then go ahead and move this to the non ski gabber where more people will read and respond to it.

I surely understand your problem with your host not allowing this or whatever, but does your host read all of the posts in these forums just searching for drug related content?? Wouldn't your host mayeb send you a warning if they knew there was marijuana being discussed and then give you a chance to stop it?? In all honesty, like someone else said I think they would rather see some harmless talk about smoking marijuana than seeing 'fuck' posted over and over or kids talking about their favorite way to get wasted, or especially one guy talking about his sexual desires for another. Especially if one of those guys is over 18, because then that really is a crime. But you know what, thats taking it to extremes, because im sure those guys are straight as a stick and are just saying those things in jest, just like when we talk about what we do for fun it is in simple jest.

Don't try to make it out liek I am just bitching, because I am just makign suggestions like everyone else in this site discussion forum. If it is really that you just want a tight control over your forums,fine, I will obey by all of your rules because this site is free and I enjoy it anyways, but I really don't think your server host is some crazy nazi out to kick off a valued client without warning. So these are my suggestions, not my bitchings, I think they make valid points and are valid suggestions, so please take them as you will.

'There are only two powers in the world...the sword of the oppressor and the spirit of the oppressed. In the long run, the sword is always defeated by the spirit.'
 
im not saying we should allow drug content on the site i am just wondering why there are so many flaws in the system...for instance skipimp_'s icon of the burning joint...that is actually a picture of marijuana. also what about the weed smokers of ns.com. how can these things go untouched? that is clearly drug content. i think that if anythig must be censored it should be this and nothing else...

**I'd rather be skiing**

'this cold weather is going to cause me to kill something. watch out lady bugs - you're going down!!!!' - Mr.Hunt

'i'm tired of people talking shit when they dont know whats up.. i'll tell everybody off including god himself... i dont give a fuck.' - Dirty.
 
uhhhhhh...............i posted a weed thread like last week.........ya so sorry?

i wouldnt call it a weed thread its more of a tripping thread. I'll respect the rules from now on since i now know what they are

I am a Ski Pimp, thats all that needs to be said.
 
Well I just looked around on Sportbikes.net trying to find a post FRED, the owner of SBN. He pretty much posted stating, that the site was his, what he says goes, no questions asked. Its his hobby, his site...He allows you to come here and post, if you don't like....FUCK OFF.

It was a very fitting post and i wish I could find it again.

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The Best Six You'll Ever Have!
 
I see what you're saying G-Dubs. My bad for accusing you of flat out complaining.

The server is probably not a bunch of crazed nazis looking to kick people off, but with NS getting over 5 million hits a month, it is bound to attract some attention eventually. So it is in fact very possible that they will check it out at some point. Will they just give a warning? Most probably yes. Is it so important to talk about weed that's it's worth taking a chance? Most probably no.

Maybe moderation strategies need to be looked at. Some people do have icons that break our sort of idea of moderation, although some icons have in fact been taken down in the passed.

Why is it so necessary to talk about weed anyways? Sure tons of people smoke it, people like talking about it, but is it really so crucial?

Your suggestion on looking at moderation strategies has been noted and I think it's a good idea. Like we've said before, our efforts aren't perfect, but in general, I think we can agree that Newschoolers.com is considerably clean, with the help of the moderators, given the number of members and posts.

Matt

 
Yea really i wasnt trying to bitch at all just make suggestions like the forum is described. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into the site i was just suggesting something. Im just sick of people saying why do people really need to discuss weed. You could say the same thing about anything, no one really needs to discuss skiing its just fun to share your experiences and learn new stuff. But if weed talk isnt allowed on the forum then thats fine i just wont

 
Well i didnt say smoking a joint on the site i said talking about weed... and talking about weed isnt illegal just like talking about skiing is. But im still saying its your site you can do what you want, but you didnt get what i was saying at all..so im goign to go now

 
I guess you are being sarcastic... but he was talking about weed being illegal in real life not in this forum. Since there is no law against talking about weed in this forum its not illegal. But i dont know ive said its not a problem i wont talk about it and i understand the server trouble but people keep saying stuff i dont know..

 
dspin7x - why can you never accept defeat? every single time you get in an arguement/discussion about shit you shouldn't have been argueing about in the first place you always loose, and yet try to keep defending yourself.

give it up, you lose. it's against the rules of the server to talk about pot - so don't talk about pot... it's as simple as that. you don't like it than leave, i'm sure a lot of people here won't miss you.

Darryl Hunt

aka - highschool

representing the H.J.S. forever

'form of osmosis? oh christ man turn back now cuz you're heading down a one-way road to fucktardville.' Matt (yeti)
 
Can you not read daryll? Do you just respond without reading the posts or something, every post i was saying i completley agree with Harvey but i guess its to hard for you to read and comprehend things, instead you rather start shit again? In almost every post i said yea it would be nice to be able to talk about weed but i completley understand the server issues and thats fine if you cant talk about it. Did you even read any of my posts you dumbass? why dont you read some shit before you go shooting your mouth off again

 
'But Harvey i guess since talking about marijuana is grounds for dismissal then thats the end of it and nothing else really matters. So i guess you cant really do anything about it if you want the site to be around although it would be cool to be able to have some threads about it but oh well its still a great site.'

'But if weed talk isnt allowed on the forum then thats fine i just wont'

'But im still saying its your site you can do what you want'

There you go why dont you read the posts before you start accusing me of shit

 
yea dspin - i read your reply's but in all of them you are still complaining. you just won't drop it. we know you know that you can't talk about it, so you dont' gotta keep posting saying 'ya i understand, but it would be cool if, but i guess we can't'. like, if you don't have something to say that will add to the discussion than don't fuckin' say anything, just drop it and move on... and after saying that - i'm done with this.

Darryl Hunt

aka - highschool

representing the H.J.S. forever

'form of osmosis? oh christ man turn back now cuz you're heading down a one-way road to fucktardville.' Matt (yeti)
 
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