Quad front...

is this the same spot as that quad back from back then too?

also the dub misty thing to backslap near the end was pretty neat too
 
13428144:Mr.noodle said:
Why have I never seen this before?
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Because for some reason we completely forget the past. What is old is new, and what is happening right now in skiing has all happened before.

We went to the quads once, and it rusulted in lamentess that took a massive revolution to correct.

We don't need to go there again.

For once, lets not follow snowboarding.
 
13428446:Mr.Bishop said:
Because for some reason we completely forget the past. What is old is new, and what is happening right now in skiing has all happened before.

We went to the quads once, and it rusulted in lamentess that took a massive revolution to correct.

We don't need to go there again.

For once, lets not follow snowboarding.
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You think that scene looks lame? Looks to me like a soft snow day where some buds carved their own jump, drank some beer and had a huckfest that looked righteously fun!

Sorry your vision of skiing doesnt involve any of that.
 
13428460:californiagrown said:
You think that scene looks lame? Looks to me like a soft snow day where some buds carved their own jump, drank some beer and had a huckfest that looked righteously fun!

Sorry your vision of skiing doesnt involve any of that.
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It involves all of that. Its when this shit makes itself into contests that the problems happen.
 
13428446:Mr.Bishop said:
Because for some reason we completely forget the past. What is old is new, and what is happening right now in skiing has all happened before.

We went to the quads once, and it rusulted in lamentess that took a massive revolution to correct.

We don't need to go there again.

For once, lets not follow snowboarding.
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they even had mega-mo
 
13428463:Mr.Bishop said:
It involves all of that. Its when this shit makes itself into contests that the problems happen.
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I just really want mogul skiing to make a comeback. That era was downright badass.
 
13428579:Literature said:
I just really want mogul skiing to make a comeback. That era was downright badass.
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Yeah but pre-zipper line. 60's and 70s and shit where it was just a free-for-all.

Hot dogging.
 
13428446:Mr.Bishop said:
For once, lets not follow snowboarding.
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huh? this video is one more example of skiing not following snowboarding. skiers were sending jumps and dropping cliffs before snowboarding was even a thought

the only people who think skiing always follows snowboarding are those whose knowledge of skiing history begins 15 years ago. skiing's current trend cycle has been slightly behind snowboarding in a few areas, yeah. but this notion that we're "behind" is so dumb, it's like a weird inferiority complex that has very few facts to support it

i love snowboarding, it's awesome, and the give and take between sports is great. but if we're going to count how many things each has borrowed from the other....
 
13428463:Mr.Bishop said:
It involves all of that. Its when this shit makes itself into contests that the problems happen.
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that's a problem with contests, not with specific tricks

freeskiing outside of contests, you can be trying quads or finding tranny and doing c3s, no one cares and they're both sick in different ways. as soon as you try to quantify it all in a contest, problems arise and rules have to be made for a certain vision of what is cool or not to be enforced. what im saying is, i think your problem has its root cause in the paradox that are freeskiing contests, not specific tricks
 
13428714:Titsandwich11 said:
the only people who think skiing always follows snowboarding are those whose knowledge of skiing history begins 15 years ago. skiing's current trend cycle has been slightly behind snowboarding in a few areas, yeah. but this notion that we're "behind" is so dumb, it's like a weird inferiority complex that has very few facts to support it

i love snowboarding, it's awesome, and the give and take between sports is great. but if we're going to count how many things each has borrowed from the other....
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I think what we need is timeframe definition here. Sure, skiing didn't follow snowboarding in the ancient nordic times of it as a mode of transportation. Sure, skiing didn't follow snowboarding before snowboarding was invented. Sure as well - not all of skiing follows snowboarding. Racers sure don't give a hoot if they like being racers.

So lets call it Freeskiing - now that is definitely on a trend about 3 years behind snowboarding. Fashion trends, shapes of skis, trick trends - etc - are all very much on that path. Lets call it the 'action sport' part of skiing. I do see your point however that we need definition. I will tell you though, it isn't an inferiority complex, its true. I started skiing park because I was racing, saw snowboarding and went "damn that looks rad".

You're absolutely correct though that in the meta world sense, snowboarding borrowed everything from skiing - hell the very idea of sliding down snow on a waxed up piece of wood was directly ripped off from skiing.

What I currently have a problem with is that snowboarders have pulled the trigger on quad corks. Its a dark road, and one I really wish we wouldn't go down. I want to see style take an emphasis in the trickery that people get into. If quads are the occasional fluke then whatever that's rad... its when all this shit starts to be the only way to win contests - and you see kids everywhere slinging themselves to death to emulate their heroes that we have a problem.
 
13428721:Titsandwich11 said:
rules have to be made for a certain vision of what is cool or not to be enforced. what im saying is, i think your problem has its root cause in the paradox that are freeskiing contests, not specific tricks
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The problem would exist both in contests and in terrain parks everywhere. Sure if you're out west you can just go build a booter anywhere and huck your shit all day long, but in the east coast we have absolutely no ability to do that on a regular basis. You get side booters or a nice kicky mogul at best - both with extremely flat landings.

Skiing on the east is only carving, moguls or racing if you eliminate the terrain park.

Rules also are never made for a certain vision of what is cool and what isn't cool - this is what everyone hounding on 'progression' gets wrong. Rules are there for safety and Insurance companies. The Hot Dogging movement didn't turn lame because of a few lame guys - it turned lame because both pros and aspiring pros were getting extremely critically injured all over the place. It required qualification and heavy regulation because people didn't self-regulate and focus on the artform... they focused on more flips.

You only have to look at history, and what has already happened to skiing once to see what we're so close to the edge on right now.

I mean how ridiculous is it that in our vernacular that the word "Freestyle" has come to mean an extremely regimented sport where form and zero uniqueness is key, yet "Freeskiing" is the savior of everything where you have complete freedom. Can't we all realize that this is what Freestyle used to be? They did the same shit as us.

We called it Newschool. They called it Hot Dogging.

We change it to Freeskiing when we wanted the Olympics. They changed it to Freestyle when they wanted the olympics.

It is literally the exact same path happening once again.
 
i have not seen this quad on NS before either, so i thought i would share.

it was Nicolas Fontaine in 2000 at Mt Gabriel, Quebec


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13429565:InspiredMedia said:
i have not seen this quad on NS before either, so i thought i would share.

it was Nicolas Fontaine in 2000 at Mt Gabriel, Quebec


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Well I guess it looks like quads are played the fuck out. Skiing did it before it was cool, and now we can go back to being over it. Case closed. ;)

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No poles, no helmet, no f###s given. But that ski suit is thug.

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So the saying that skiing is evolving is simply a hoax.

We're undergoing devolution, the progress is there only backwards...

Like how can you have a dub stoke phrase in circa 2009 when quads were the thing almost 40 yrs ago...
 
13428728:Mr.Bishop said:
The problem would exist both in contests and in terrain parks everywhere. Sure if you're out west you can just go build a booter anywhere and huck your shit all day long, but in the east coast we have absolutely no ability to do that on a regular basis. You get side booters or a nice kicky mogul at best - both with extremely flat landings.

Skiing on the east is only carving, moguls or racing if you eliminate the terrain park.

Rules also are never made for a certain vision of what is cool and what isn't cool - this is what everyone hounding on 'progression' gets wrong. Rules are there for safety and Insurance companies. The Hot Dogging movement didn't turn lame because of a few lame guys - it turned lame because both pros and aspiring pros were getting extremely critically injured all over the place. It required qualification and heavy regulation because people didn't self-regulate and focus on the artform... they focused on more flips.

You only have to look at history, and what has already happened to skiing once to see what we're so close to the edge on right now.

I mean how ridiculous is it that in our vernacular that the word "Freestyle" has come to mean an extremely regimented sport where form and zero uniqueness is key, yet "Freeskiing" is the savior of everything where you have complete freedom. Can't we all realize that this is what Freestyle used to be? They did the same shit as us.

We called it Newschool. They called it Hot Dogging.

We change it to Freeskiing when we wanted the Olympics. They changed it to Freestyle when they wanted the olympics.

It is literally the exact same path happening once again.
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yeah i mean idk i think it's clear we agree on a lot, half of what you said ive said in another post or two. i just think your line in the sand of what is cool or not is more arbitrary than you let on. i agree with you for the most part, i prefer the "style" and creativity approach more than hucked stuff, but theyre not mutually exclusive except in contests, which always have been and always will be less than perfect, because theyre sort of antithetical to the entire sport's vision.

i feel like it's a similar argument to when people like jamie pierre and julian carr are brought up-- what is "cool" dangerous and what is "stupid" dangerous? the entire sport is built around needless, contrived danger so it's natural that people have different opinions on where those lines are drawn. but the idea that one is holding back the other is just creating a false dichotomy IMO
 
13430236:Titsandwich11 said:
i just think your line in the sand of what is cool or not is more arbitrary than you let on.
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I mean the very word cool is arbitrary in itself. There is no objective way to define cool. My line in the sand is around safety, but I mask it with something people will actually understand...

People won't not try quads again because they're worried about getting hurt, but they would not try quads if it was uncool to do one. Then you'd only have a few screwballs hucking stunt shit, but the masses would still be doing something that has longevity and art to it.
 
13430291:Mr.Bishop said:
I mean the very word cool is arbitrary in itself. There is no objective way to define cool. My line in the sand is around safety, but I mask it with something people will actually understand...

People won't not try quads again because they're worried about getting hurt, but they would not try quads if it was uncool to do one. Then you'd only have a few screwballs hucking stunt shit, but the masses would still be doing something that has longevity and art to it.
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hm, i def dont agree with your categorical dislike of trips/quds, but that's a very fair point and elucidated what youre saying to me a lot

out of curiosity, what do you think about the same idea re: urban? shit is stupid dangerous but def still "cool"
 
13430291:Mr.Bishop said:
I mean the very word cool is arbitrary in itself. There is no objective way to define cool. My line in the sand is around safety, but I mask it with something people will actually understand...

People won't not try quads again because they're worried about getting hurt, but they would not try quads if it was uncool to do one. Then you'd only have a few screwballs hucking stunt shit, but the masses would still be doing something that has longevity and art to it.
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So you want to make skiing follow the very narrow path you like and want to make all the other aspects seem uncool.

That doesn't sound very free to me.

How about you ski the way you like, consume the media you enjoy, and stop demeaning all the other aspects of skiing that don't appeal to YOU.

It takes all kinds to make and keep skiing cool. Stop trying to pigeon hole. Damn.
 
13430303:Titsandwich11 said:
hm, i def dont agree with your categorical dislike of trips/quds, but that's a very fair point and elucidated what youre saying to me a lot

out of curiosity, what do you think about the same idea re: urban? shit is stupid dangerous but def still "cool"
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Urban is dope as fuck. I absolutely love urban skiing. The injuries you suffer there are non-life threatening. Sure you can get ridiculously hurt, but not like quads and shit.

Urban also has a lot more art in it than just technicality. Its a fantastic mixture of everything, and I think its a wonderful part of our sport.
 
13430333:californiagrown said:
So you want to make skiing follow the very narrow path you like and want to make all the other aspects seem uncool.

That doesn't sound very free to me.

How about you ski the way you like, consume the media you enjoy, and stop demeaning all the other aspects of skiing that don't appeal to YOU.

It takes all kinds to make and keep skiing cool. Stop trying to pigeon hole. Damn.
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I'm all for whatever man, trust me. Its quads and quints and shit that aren't cool.

Its like going out in the backcountry without avalanche equipment or training. There is no logical argument for saying that is "Cool because you're free to do what you want."

Same thing.
 
13430335:Mr.Bishop said:
I'm all for whatever man, trust me. Its quads and quints and shit that aren't cool.

Its like going out in the backcountry without avalanche equipment or training. There is no logical argument for saying that is "Cool because you're free to do what you want."

Same thing.
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Skiing 60mph off of 100 foot jumps doing a bio 900 is super dangerous and arbitrary. Do you also aggressively hate on everyone that doesn't wear helmets? Or is that kosher because those are also the folks that tend to be more style oriented?

Again, why do you want to pigeon hole skiing?

Please don't compare BC skiing( which you are obviously incompetent with) to progression on man made. Controlled jumps. Terrible analogy.

Its all dangerous. Its all fun. Its all free. Well, maybe not all free in your world.

Keep the hate alive. We need more of it in skiing...
 
13430334:Mr.Bishop said:
Urban is dope as fuck. I absolutely love urban skiing. The injuries you suffer there are non-life threatening. Sure you can get ridiculously hurt, but not like quads and shit.

Urban also has a lot more art in it than just technicality. Its a fantastic mixture of everything, and I think its a wonderful part of our sport.
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well, im not sure i agree, considering people have died and gotten seriously injured doing urban, while so far quads haven't delivered anything nearly as bad as far as i have heard. hell, the two current quads we've seen snowboarders do were stomped.

but yes, urban is more in the skateboarding realm of danger, with lots of bumps and bruises and fewer snapped necks (and cashed checks). and i definitely share your love for urban (and skiing in general)

like i said though, i understand your point better now. and as cali-grown said, it takes all kinds of skiers and all kinds of opinions to make up the fabric of our sport so these discussions are interesting. cheers
 
13430335:Mr.Bishop said:
Its like going out in the backcountry without avalanche equipment or training.
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I think thatd be really cool honestly! Going out shredding the world, no safety fucks given, and then being successful, accomplishing the shred, all using instinct and personal choice, not following some safety protocol you were taught or anything else. But thats just like my subjective opinion of what cool is

ar·bi·trar·y

adjective: arbitrary

based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

sub·jec·tive

adjective: subjective

1.

based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
 
100% of the people who hate on quads are people who can't do them. The people that do look like they are having a shitload of fun doing them which is the whole point of skiing. Therefor, If skiing is for fun hating on quads is backwards.
 
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