Powder ski rec???

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pissnu_skis

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So I’m from the midwest right? I’m moving to slc this season and I’ve never really skied deep ass powder. I’d like to cop a pair of pow skis and I’m stuck between the ARV 116 JJ ultralites and the ARG IIs. I might be going in the completely wrong direction so someone set me straight or give me a rec or something.
 
I love the JJ if your looking for a twin pow ski. the ARG is probably a little too much. The normal JJ, JJ UL and Whitewalker are all great skis. They all ski about the same just different stiffness.

...or the one and only playground maker
 
Never tried it but the 1000 powder ski looks really cool. It’s got 117 underfoot144 in the tip and 140 in the tail. They only come in 180 cm if that’s a problem though.
 
As a kid from the midwest who moved to Montana the first ski I bought was a pair of JJs. Tons of fun on deep days, but definitely took me some time growing into coming from skiing basically no snow and typically more park oriented skis. I'd say go with the UL and you'll probably have heaps of fun, and then move towards a more aggressive ski if you feel like it down the road
 
Go ahead and get the ARG IIs but make sure you keep the receipt for when you return them lol

Id look at something decently fat and proven like a jeff 110 or Reckoner 112 or JJ
 
14315189:Mr.Mitten said:
As a kid from the midwest who moved to Montana the first ski I bought was a pair of JJs. Tons of fun on deep days, but definitely took me some time growing into coming from skiing basically no snow and typically more park oriented skis. I'd say go with the UL and you'll probably have heaps of fun, and then move towards a more aggressive ski if you feel like it down the road
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Right on, thanks dude
 
What’s your weight and height and ability level? Only reason I ask is if youre 190+ lbs or over 6’ I would say the jj ul might be too soft of a ski. Yes it’s a fantastic ski but I’ve just felt like it was too soft even in a 192 length so I went with the whitewalker which is just a bit stiffer and handles crap and crud much better the the UL. I guess just food for thought
 
14315236:Kbob94 said:
What’s your weight and height and ability level? Only reason I ask is if youre 190+ lbs or over 6’ I would say the jj ul might be too soft of a ski. Yes it’s a fantastic ski but I’ve just felt like it was too soft even in a 192 length so I went with the whitewalker which is just a bit stiffer and handles crap and crud much better the the UL. I guess just food for thought
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I’m 6’0 145lbs after a big lunch. I’ll probably get 185s bc that’s the longest they have on evo but I am a very good skier as far as Midwest terrain goes. I skied brighton and snowbird for a couple days last season and I could hold my own there so take from that what you will.
 
14315238:pissnu_skis said:
I’m 6’0 145lbs after a big lunch. I’ll probably get 185s bc that’s the longest they have on evo but I am a very good skier as far as Midwest terrain goes. I skied brighton and snowbird for a couple days last season and I could hold my own there so take from that what you will.
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Definitely go JJ UL then! You won’t be disappointed! It handles everything out west here very well. Just remember when you get the mounted to have them mounted at FREESTYLE REC line and not the factory Rec line. They ski terrible at factory. Even if you don’t freestyle much it’s where the ski was designed to be mounted!! Much love
 
14315241:Kbob94 said:
Definitely go JJ UL then! You won’t be disappointed! It handles everything out west here very well. Just remember when you get the mounted to have them mounted at FREESTYLE REC line and not the factory Rec line. They ski terrible at factory. Even if you don’t freestyle much it’s where the ski was designed to be mounted!! Much love
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Thanks dude. I’m really stoked to get out to slc and start ripping!! ??
 
JJ is a great ski, depending on your weight/size/style you might really like the Magic J too which is a bit burlier but still playful. I wouldn't get the ARG because it doesn't have any sidecut, and you will still be skiing chop and some groomed on inbounds pow days
 
14315241:Kbob94 said:
Definitely go JJ UL then! You won’t be disappointed! It handles everything out west here very well. Just remember when you get the mounted to have them mounted at FREESTYLE REC line and not the factory Rec line. They ski terrible at factory. Even if you don’t freestyle much it’s where the ski was designed to be mounted!! Much love
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This is facts, Freestyle mount is very needed on the JJ
 
14315238:pissnu_skis said:
I’m 6’0 145lbs after a big lunch. I’ll probably get 185s bc that’s the longest they have on evo but I am a very good skier as far as Midwest terrain goes. I skied brighton and snowbird for a couple days last season and I could hold my own there so take from that what you will.
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I would size up then, it never hurts on a pow ski to have that extra length. You will definitely be able to find good deals when you get here too which might be a better idea honestly since you don't have to fly with skis then.
 
14315275:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I would size up then, it never hurts on a pow ski to have that extra length. You will definitely be able to find good deals when you get here too which might be a better idea honestly since you don't have to fly with skis then.
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Yeah I’m road tripping it out there so it’s not really that big of a deal.
 
honestly if you're skiing Montana I'd get a mid-fat pow ski that's a bit longer. You'll be skiing mostly light, dry snow.

Go w reckoner 112s or something. Also JJ ULs might snap in half.
 
14315335:Hometownerz said:
honestly if you're skiing Montana I'd get a mid-fat pow ski that's a bit longer. You'll be skiing mostly light, dry snow.

Go w reckoner 112s or something. Also JJ ULs might snap in half.
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I’m moving to Salt Lake City lol
 
14315241:Kbob94 said:
Definitely go JJ UL then! You won’t be disappointed! It handles everything out west here very well. Just remember when you get the mounted to have them mounted at FREESTYLE REC line and not the factory Rec line. They ski terrible at factory. Even if you don’t freestyle much it’s where the ski was designed to be mounted!! Much love
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What about them snapping tho, bc I’ve heard about people just wrecking them like a month or two in
 
14315360:pissnu_skis said:
What about them snapping tho, bc I’ve heard about people just wrecking them like a month or two in
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I’ve skied them since they came out so 4 years now and have never ever had an issue with them. In the shop I worked at we only had 1 par come back for warranty in 3 years and we sold probably 100ish pairs of them
 
Agreed long is good, especially if you are gonna mount these closer to center than a tgr skier would. Most 112-120 progressive mounted pow skis are all pretty good and similar these days honestly. Like a moment wildcat, on3p kartel, jj (not arg), line vision 118 / outline, k2 reckoner, etc etc will all be a ton of fun in a 184-190ish. It’s gonna be hard to have a bad time.
 
The UL is a good ski but if things get chopped up and you like to go fast they get bullied. It’s a sick fresh day/touring on a fresh day ski but for regular in bounds pow skiing I’d take the regular JJ over the UL because after 3 laps everything is tracked out and light skis don’t do so hot. I’d definitely consider something like the K2 Reckoner 112 or the ON3P Jeffrey 110. Skis with a little more weight to them (that’s relevant weight, since the UL is so fucking light) will eat chop and chunder way better. The UL is also retarded soft, and that paired with its weight is not a great combo for anything but virgin pow IMO. Reckoner 112 is one of the best Western US daily skis but it’s super slept on. Not too light, not too heavy, feels just like a park ski just wider. The team mount is -3.55 or something like that so it’s super familiar. The Jeff 110 has a stupid good reputation for a reason. It floats, it eats any condition you can throw at it for breakfast, it looks sick as fuck and it’s one of the most fun skis in the world. You can do pretty much anything on one of those 2 skis. Jake Carney rips 9s on the Reck 112 and watch any of the ON3P movies for an idea on the Jeff 110 (or just read any thread here). Those are my recommendations, take them with a grain if you wish but I’ve skied or owned just about every ski in that category and like to think I know what I’m talking about (I probably don’t but whatever). I’m buying a Jeff 110 this season for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only. 1. The 108 was the best ski I’ve ever owned and I regret every day selling mine and 2. I’m going out west for the first time this season and I have such confidence in that skis ability to destroy anything and everything in its path that it’s the ONLY ski I’d trust on my first trip there.

And to add to the whole, “pow ski,” debate, I personally think that’s skis over 115 are overkill for anything under 3 feet of snow. I went heliskiing back home in Switzerland once and I skied a K2 Hellbent in ~3 or so feet of fresh snow, and never ever felt the need to ski it again. I usually ski ~100mm wide for, “pow days,” and for really big dumps I’ll ski 108-110. Just my $0.02!
 
14315407:animator said:
The UL is a good ski but if things get chopped up and you like to go fast they get bullied. It’s a sick fresh day/touring on a fresh day ski but for regular in bounds pow skiing I’d take the regular JJ over the UL because after 3 laps everything is tracked out and light skis don’t do so hot. I’d definitely consider something like the K2 Reckoner 112 or the ON3P Jeffrey 110. Skis with a little more weight to them (that’s relevant weight, since the UL is so fucking light) will eat chop and chunder way better. The UL is also retarded soft, and that paired with its weight is not a great combo for anything but virgin pow IMO. Reckoner 112 is one of the best Western US daily skis but it’s super slept on. Not too light, not too heavy, feels just like a park ski just wider. The team mount is -3.55 or something like that so it’s super familiar. The Jeff 110 has a stupid good reputation for a reason. It floats, it eats any condition you can throw at it for breakfast, it looks sick as fuck and it’s one of the most fun skis in the world. You can do pretty much anything on one of those 2 skis. Jake Carney rips 9s on the Reck 112 and watch any of the ON3P movies for an idea on the Jeff 110 (or just read any thread here). Those are my recommendations, take them with a grain if you wish but I’ve skied or owned just about every ski in that category and like to think I know what I’m talking about (I probably don’t but whatever). I’m buying a Jeff 110 this season for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only. 1. The 108 was the best ski I’ve ever owned and I regret every day selling mine and 2. I’m going out west for the first time this season and I have such confidence in that skis ability to destroy anything and everything in its path that it’s the ONLY ski I’d trust on my first trip there.

And to add to the whole, “pow ski,” debate, I personally think that’s skis over 115 are overkill for anything under 3 feet of snow. I went heliskiing back home in Switzerland once and I skied a K2 Hellbent in ~3 or so feet of fresh snow, and never ever felt the need to ski it again. I usually ski ~100mm wide for, “pow days,” and for really big dumps I’ll ski 108-110. Just my $0.02!
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Super helpful, thanks dawg!
 
14315335:Hometownerz said:
honestly if you're skiing Montana I'd get a mid-fat pow ski that's a bit longer. You'll be skiing mostly light, dry snow.

Go w reckoner 112s or something. Also JJ ULs might snap in half.
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still applies
 
14315236:Kbob94 said:
What’s your weight and height and ability level? Only reason I ask is if youre 190+ lbs or over 6’ I would say the jj ul might be too soft of a ski. Yes it’s a fantastic ski but I’ve just felt like it was too soft even in a 192 length so I went with the whitewalker which is just a bit stiffer and handles crap and crud much better the the UL. I guess just food for thought
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Can you help me understand the difference between the JJ 116s (non UL) & the white walkers?
 
14361798:robonsby said:
Can you help me understand the difference between the JJ 116s (non UL) & the white walkers?
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Yeah totally! They’re two completely different shapes and skis. Only similarity they have is being 116 underfoot. The arv 116 jj is just a continuation of the jj ski from over the years. It’s got a poplar ash core so it’s much heavier and damper. Whereas the WW is a caruba wood core which is 25-30% lighter then the jj. It also has double the carbon stringers in the ski which make it that much stiffer and charge harder. The pin tech tip and tail shape also give it a knifey feel in the snow. I ski the WW everyday no matter the conditions unless I’m riding park.
 
14361809:Kbob94 said:
Yeah totally! They’re two completely different shapes and skis. Only similarity they have is being 116 underfoot. The arv 116 jj is just a continuation of the jj ski from over the years. It’s got a poplar ash core so it’s much heavier and damper. Whereas the WW is a caruba wood core which is 25-30% lighter then the jj. It also has double the carbon stringers in the ski which make it that much stiffer and charge harder. The pin tech tip and tail shape also give it a knifey feel in the snow. I ski the WW everyday no matter the conditions unless I’m riding park.
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Awesome man, thanks for the breakdown!
 
14361809:Kbob94 said:
Yeah totally! They’re two completely different shapes and skis. Only similarity they have is being 116 underfoot. The arv 116 jj is just a continuation of the jj ski from over the years. It’s got a poplar ash core so it’s much heavier and damper. Whereas the WW is a caruba wood core which is 25-30% lighter then the jj. It also has double the carbon stringers in the ski which make it that much stiffer and charge harder. The pin tech tip and tail shape also give it a knifey feel in the snow. I ski the WW everyday no matter the conditions unless I’m riding park.
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I went with the white walkers in 185:)
 
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