POW/freeride ski. Rossignol Sender Free 110?

Kevinb5

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Looking for a ski that will be good for pow days. Last season was my first out west and I struggled when the snow got deeper than about 8 inches. This year I’m hoping to improve my powder skiing and get do some tricks outside of the park and I want a ski that will help with that. I have been on rossignol black ops 98 that I like so I’m thinking about getting rossignol sender free 110. I would like thoughts and suggestions about that and length too. Also is 110 underfoot enough?

6 feet tall 175 pound

Riding epic and ikon resorts in Colorado
 
and because I’m required by law to make a moment recommendation when possible I’d say take a look at the moment deathwish. It’s 112 underfoot with triple camber which will give you a wide range of usage in variable conditions. Soft or firm it rips. This being the 112 version performs better in softer snow than its narrower 104 brother. There is currently a sale on last seasons TS. Construction has not changed. They have 1 190 left. Which at your height and weight would rip. I picked it up in the 184 and wish I would have went 190. Im 6’0 174. Had the ski out at Breck earlier in the year and had a blast.
https://www.momentskis.com/collections/skiburger/products/23-24-deathwish
 
14622838:PartyBullshiit said:
and because I’m required by law to make a moment recommendation when possible I’d say take a look at the moment deathwish. It’s 112 underfoot with triple camber which will give you a wide range of usage in variable conditions. Soft or firm it rips. This being the 112 version performs better in softer snow than its narrower 104 brother. There is currently a sale on last seasons TS. Construction has not changed. They have 1 190 left. Which at your height and weight would rip. I picked it up in the 184 and wish I would have went 190. Im 6’0 174. Had the ski out at Breck earlier in the year and had a blast.
https://www.momentskis.com/collections/skiburger/products/23-24-deathwish

Is there actually some thing special about the triple camber compared to normal or is it just a fancy shape made for marketing reasons?
 
14622841:ramlaKramlaJ said:
Is there actually some thing special about the triple camber compared to normal or is it just a fancy shape made for marketing reasons?

More suspension in crud and choppy snow because of the extra stiff camber pockets in front of the toe and behind the heel. And also more edge hold since you have 2 extra points of contact when the ski is laid into a turn. It lets you drive the skis harder while staying on a playful twin tip ski with a progressive mount
 
14622862:bryce.bassett said:
More suspension in crud and choppy snow because of the extra stiff camber pockets in front of the toe and behind the heel. And also more edge hold since you have 2 extra points of contact when the ski is laid into a turn. It lets you drive the skis harder while staying on a playful twin tip ski with a progressive mount

I don't really understand why and how does it do these things. My skis have stiff camber under/behind/front of binding just like the triple cmaber. Do the more points of contact really matter when you are laying in to a turn? I thought the whole camber lenght is in contact with snow when laying. Someone pls increase my knowledge on ski shape and carving and this triple camber because it still sounds like a placebo.
 
14622841:ramlaKramlaJ said:
Is there actually some thing special about the triple camber compared to normal or is it just a fancy shape made for marketing reasons?

Definitely not marketing hype. It has a very real world feel difference. Feels more locked in skiing variable snow especially when things start to firm up. Still super playful though.
 
14622872:ramlaKramlaJ said:
I don't really understand why and how does it do these things. My skis have stiff camber under/behind/front of binding just like the triple cmaber. Do the more points of contact really matter when you are laying in to a turn? I thought the whole camber lenght is in contact with snow when laying. Someone pls increase my knowledge on ski shape and carving and this triple camber because it still sounds like a placebo.

What ski are you talking about?
 
14622875:PartyBullshiit said:
What ski are you talking about?

Basically every ski I own has camber that is long enough to have camber behind and in front of the bindings. Can't really take pictures because I have nothing to close the brakes.
 
14622873:PartyBullshiit said:
Definitely not marketing hype. It has a very real world feel difference. Feels more locked in skiing variable snow especially when things start to firm up. Still super playful though.

[tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] why does it do that?
 
14622876:ramlaKramlaJ said:
Basically every ski I own has camber that is long enough to have camber behind and in front of the bindings. Can't really take pictures because I have nothing to close the brakes.

Here’s triple camber. Now compare this to your rocker camber skis. Both compressed and not.

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14622879:PartyBullshiit said:
Bryce who commented to you earlier works for moment fyi

Well of course he is. I guess he too can answer to my simple question of why. Give him orange name or something.

Also sorry to hijack this thread.
 
14622882:Kevinb5 said:
Is 190/191 cm to long for me I’ve never had a ski taller than me but there is a first time for everything

A twin tip that’s 190 is actually going to be like 186-187 straight pull measure so it’s going to be about 6-6’1 give or take a little, you’ll be about the same height. If you’re confident skiing a 190 will be great for you. Especially in CO.
 
14622880:PartyBullshiit said:
Here’s triple camber. Now compare this to your rocker camber skis. Both compressed and not.

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**This post was edited on Aug 12th 2024 at 3:44:47pm

Right, didn't really think about it when being compressed. I would guess mine doesn't have those pockets.

Someone in my family had line visions that had double camber from the factory. Top tier Line quality.

**This post was edited on Aug 12th 2024 at 3:57:15pm
 
14622884:ramlaKramlaJ said:
Right, didn't really think about it when being compressed. I would guess mine doesn't have those pockets.

Someone in my family has line visions that had double camber from the factory. Top tier Line quality.

Exactly. When compressed you can really see those additional camber pockets. Which gives you that extra bite when on edge. Especially in firmer snow.
 
14622872:ramlaKramlaJ said:
I don't really understand why and how does it do these things. My skis have stiff camber under/behind/front of binding just like the triple cmaber. Do the more points of contact really matter when you are laying in to a turn? I thought the whole camber lenght is in contact with snow when laying. Someone pls increase my knowledge on ski shape and carving and this triple camber because it still sounds like a placebo.

Take your skis, put them base to base, and press on the camber pocket. Notice how the skis flatten out underfoot? The Deathwish doesn’t do this.

The Deathwish has a single large overall camber with two extra pockets towards the end of the camber before the rocker starts at the tip and tail. Hence, Triple Camber. It’s way easier to see rather than visualize, so head over to the moment website for camber profile pictures.

Camber gives helps skis pop from turn to turn, and also acts similar to how suspension on a bike would act when you are riding down a rough trail. The smaller camber pockets that are on the deathwish are designed to be much stiffer than the larger camber pocket, giving them a little bit more suspension than a traditionally cambered ski, helping to smooth out the ride in funky snow.

If you took a traditionally mounted ski and turned it over as if you were carving, you’ll notice you’re making contact with the ground at the widest part of the tip and tail. So if you slip your edge, you’re out of luck and might wipe out completely.

Now if you take a Deathwish and lean it over, the edge takes on an almost S-shape in the snow because of the each section of camber, allowing the ski to have more chances to bite into the snow. Definitely boosts confidence in your edge hold even on hardpack

It can definitely be tricky to wrap your head around, so if you’re ever in the Reno area, come check out the factory and maybe even demo some skis in the winter
 
14622889:bryce.bassett said:
Take your skis, put them base to base, and press on the camber pocket. Notice how the skis flatten out underfoot? The Deathwish doesn’t do this.

The Deathwish has a single large overall camber with two extra pockets towards the end of the camber before the rocker starts at the tip and tail. Hence, Triple Camber. It’s way easier to see rather than visualize, so head over to the moment website for camber profile pictures.

Camber gives helps skis pop from turn to turn, and also acts similar to how suspension on a bike would act when you are riding down a rough trail. The smaller camber pockets that are on the deathwish are designed to be much stiffer than the larger camber pocket, giving them a little bit more suspension than a traditionally cambered ski, helping to smooth out the ride in funky snow.

If you took a traditionally mounted ski and turned it over as if you were carving, you’ll notice you’re making contact with the ground at the widest part of the tip and tail. So if you slip your edge, you’re out of luck and might wipe out completely.

Now if you take a Deathwish and lean it over, the edge takes on an almost S-shape in the snow because of the each section of camber, allowing the ski to have more chances to bite into the snow. Definitely boosts confidence in your edge hold even on hardpack

It can definitely be tricky to wrap your head around, so if you’re ever in the Reno area, come check out the factory and maybe even demo some skis in the winter

Cool. Maybe it's something easier to understand if you have experienced it.

I have never really had problems with hardpack edge hold with normal camber and sharp edges.

Will probably never step a foot in to USA but if you ever become big enough to sell skis directly inside of EU I will buy me some Deathwishes.
 
Sender Free are great skis but will likely blow up if you’re riding hard.

I use some DW tours for touring and they are a super fun ski. The shape and flex is pretty much perfect for playful pow skiing
 
14622927:Kevinb5 said:
Just bought the death wishes too good of a deal to pass up

Nice congrats brother. You’re going to absolutely love them. They’re a blast and honestly can be a great quiver of 1 if needed. You might love them so much and need to grab the 104 as well. I know I did lol.
 
14622932:PartyBullshiit said:
Nice congrats brother. You’re going to absolutely love them. They’re a blast and honestly can be a great quiver of 1 if needed. You might love them so much and need to grab the 104 as well. I know I did lol.

Fuck man, just checked ns for the first time today. Missed out on the opportunity to do some Rossi glazing.
 
I've seen them be pretty durable at the bird, multiple instructors/athletes on them, yet to see major blow ups.

Where have you heard that from?

14622922:skiP.E.I. said:
Sender Free are great skis but will likely blow up if you’re riding hard.

I use some DW tours for touring and they are a super fun ski. The shape and flex is pretty much perfect for playful pow skiing
 
14624604:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I've seen them be pretty durable at the bird, multiple instructors/athletes on them, yet to see major blow ups.

Where have you heard that from?

I've seen about half a dozen pairs of black ops (same platform) exploded. Also heard it from a FWQ challenger tour guy. Never seems to be a slow death with any Rossi ski. They're great until they suddenly are not. That being said, depends on the person. Some people just have light feet and always seem to find a good transition. Probably helps if you mostly ski them in soft snow, don't jib much with them and avoid bombed out, wind packed, low coverage comp venues.

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**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2024 at 9:46:18am
 
re SF110s or BO98/118s exploding - sure that can happen (and a skin in a pair I've owned did just that), but that should be a no questions asked replace under warrenty each and every time so not a huge issue.

An no, a 2000gr DW is not going to be damper/smoother than a 2200gr SF110. The latter is slightly rounder flexed as well, and has both rubber in the tips/tails as well as titanal underfoot and also has physics on its side (200gr heavier). That is not to say that DWs aren't freaking magical for what they are though, but no microcamber will make a 200gr lighter ski outperfom the heavier (provided the shapes for the heavier ski makes / is comparable sense as well) the heavier ski in variable.

And I would usually recommend just going to the BO118s if you have BO98s - the wider spread makes more sense imho. BO118s are a lot better in deeper snow and are freaking missiles in variable. SF110s are great as well, but not as good as either of the two others at their respective ends of the spectrum. I run BO98s, SF110s and BO118, and have a ton of days on them. I really like all three. SF110s would be my quiver of one ski, the other two the two ski quiver.
 
14624677:skiP.E.I. said:
I've seen about half a dozen pairs of black ops (same platform) exploded. Also heard it from a FWQ challenger tour guy. Never seems to be a slow death with any Rossi ski. They're great until they suddenly are not. That being said, depends on the person. Some people just have light feet and always seem to find a good transition. Probably helps if you mostly ski them in soft snow, don't jib much with them and avoid bombed out, wind packed, low coverage comp venues.

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2024 at 9:44:24am

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2024 at 9:46:18am

not the same core as a black ops.
 
I actually have both the BO118 and DW112, which is essentially my 2-ski resort quiver. I wrote out a pretty detailed comparison of the two and my thoughts on each… but the internet in the Northern Territory of Australia timed out when I clicked “post”. Not going to write it all up again, so, both skis are good and I don’t find a lot of overlap between the two despite the 6mm difference in size.

Black Ops for resort pow and deep chop. Deathwish for everything else. If you could only choose one, figure out your priorities but I’d probably go Deathwish.
 
Yo Throwing in a vote for the Salomon QST X and Blank. Got a chance to ski both this season and two different uses but both super sick skis. Blank is closer to Sender, in terms of burly and Freeride oriented. X is seriously the most fun I have had on a ski in a while. It's like a burlier Bent. Surfy, playful, buttery. I had a riot on It all day.
 
14626141:-eREKTion- said:
I actually have both the BO118 and DW112, which is essentially my 2-ski resort quiver. I wrote out a pretty detailed comparison of the two and my thoughts on each… but the internet in the Northern Territory of Australia timed out when I clicked “post”. Not going to write it all up again, so, both skis are good and I don’t find a lot of overlap between the two despite the 6mm difference in size.

Black Ops for resort pow and deep chop. Deathwish for everything else. If you could only choose one, figure out your priorities but I’d probably go Deathwish.

Excited to hear what he thinks when he gets on his DW’s.
 
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