Poor Boyz Undiscovered Contest

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TJenkins8

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Is anyone else confused by all of the submissions from well known skiers?? Lupe, Charlie Owens, Steve Stepp, Kolby Ward, Taylor Seaton, etc, etc, etc. I think they named their contest wrong....
 
Pros are people too, but I feel that it's the fault of PBP for letting well known skiers into a contest called "undiscovered". Haven't read into the guidelines behind the contest but it seems very contrary to the name. They are looking for people to film with, a good amount of these people will be somewhat well known.
 
13373069:john18061806 said:
Pros are people too, but I feel that it's the fault of PBP for letting well known skiers into a contest called "undiscovered". Haven't read into the guidelines behind the contest but it seems very contrary to the name. They are looking for people to film with, a good amount of these people will be somewhat well known.
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Absolutely! Not blaming the pros at all. Just feel that PBP should have either not named it "undiscovered" or changed the criteria for participants.
 
13373076:TJenkins8 said:
Absolutely! Not blaming the pros at all. Just feel that PBP should have either not named it "undiscovered" or changed the criteria for participants.
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maybe you guys should just worry about your own entry and be grateful that another production company is providing a great opportunity like this? Understand that your chances of winning are probably reduced when "pro skiers" submit entries, but come on. This is the first year they are running this contest and they likely left it as open as possible to get as many ppl stoked on it. Maybe they will adjust in yrs to come, but give them a break...this is an awesome opportunity and I'm excited to see how it turns out.
 
Like I've said before. It's disappointing to see pros enter this contest. It goes against the entire point of having a competition to discover skiers that may not be as prominent as others.

I'd hate to see a skier whose already pretty well known to win over a lesser known skier
 
13373076:TJenkins8 said:
Absolutely! Not blaming the pros at all. Just feel that PBP should have either not named it "undiscovered" or changed the criteria for participants.
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Did you read the Q&A with pbp?

They basically framed this contest as an opportunity for ANYONE (pro or unknown) to enter the contest and win.

It's basically impossible to be "unknown" these days. Everyone has a gopro or fuck even just a smart phone and they put clips of themselves online. Sander basically became well known because he put POV edits online.

But, you're entire argument is invalid because pbp disclosed this contest was open to anyone.
 
13373120:pussyfooter said:
But, you're entire argument is invalid because pbp disclosed this contest was open to anyone.
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My argument essentially is that it is a terrible name for the contest. PERIOD! I don't think you or anyone else can dispute that.
 
13373146:TJenkins8 said:
My argument essentially is that it is a terrible name for the contest. PERIOD! I don't think you or anyone else can dispute that.
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I mean, what would you call it?

And lets think about this critically... does it actually matter? No.
 
13373094:artrud23 said:
maybe you guys should just worry about your own entry and be grateful that another production company is providing a great opportunity like this? Understand that your chances of winning are probably reduced when "pro skiers" submit entries, but come on. This is the first year they are running this contest and they likely left it as open as possible to get as many ppl stoked on it. Maybe they will adjust in yrs to come, but give them a break...this is an awesome opportunity and I'm excited to see how it turns out.
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I haven't been in front of a lens in years and have no plans on changing that. I agree that it is a great opportunity and understand that as a first year event they have to be open to as big of a target market as possible. AGAIN just saying it was not properly named. You can't tell me you haven't heard of 95% of the candidates. We're talking guys who have their own webisode series, x games athletes, and dudes who have been major ski movie productions for years.
 
13373147:pussyfooter said:
I mean, what would you call it?

And lets think about this critically... does it actually matter? No.
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Buddy I'm going to school for marketing so it was just an opinion I had and wanted to see what others thought. Yes the name should absolutely matter to PBP. Here's a MKT 101 tip for you, the name of your event should reflect your goals & OBJECTIVES!
 
13373157:TJenkins8 said:
Buddy I'm going to school for marketing so it was just an opinion I had and wanted to see what others thought. Yes the name should absolutely matter to PBP. Here's a MKT 101 tip for you, the name of your event should reflect your goals & OBJECTIVES!
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Haha dude you're a fucking kook, i don't care what you learned in your mid level marketing class last week. They aren't selling a product, its a contest you dweeb.

Anyways, we're talking about the ski industry and even a smaller niche the ski filming industry. It doesn't fucking matter.
 
13373158:pussyfooter said:
Haha dude you're a fucking kook, i don't care what you learned in your mid level marketing class last week. They aren't selling a product, its a contest you dweeb.

Anyways, we're talking about the ski industry and even a smaller niche the ski filming industry. It doesn't fucking matter.
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Sorry for having an opinion. Your right the ski film industry is super niche, and contests like this are only going to further that. Think of all the athletes that Level 1 has discovered through their SuperUnkown contest. Poor Boyz is basically trying to mooch off this without even staying true to the format. They thought a catchy title like "Undiscovered" would give them the automatic credibility that L1 has established.
 
i can understand being confused by that, sorta a misnomer, but it's not like some super pro is being a snake and taking advantage of this. those dudes are basically ski bums that have scraped by enough to keep skiing so hard and well

here's the important part in my mind: if youre so sick that you deserve to win this and ski on someone else's dollar, then your clip should be able to speak for itself and contend with those dudes
 
13373169:TJenkins8 said:
Sorry for having an opinion. Your right the ski film industry is super niche, and contests like this are only going to further that. Think of all the athletes that Level 1 has discovered through their SuperUnkown contest. Poor Boyz is basically trying to mooch off this without even staying true to the format. They thought a catchy title like "Undiscovered" would give them the automatic credibility that L1 has established.
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Who gives a shit if both Level 1 and PBP have contests. As long as it gives more people an opportunity in our sport, I'm all for it.
 
13373188:weedzski4 said:
Who gives a shit if both Level 1 and PBP have contests. As long as it gives more people an opportunity in our sport, I'm all for it.
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Put down the dab torch for one second and read the whole thread. I am only trying to argue the misleading name of the contest.
 
13373169:TJenkins8 said:
Sorry for having an opinion. Your right the ski film industry is super niche, and contests like this are only going to further that. Think of all the athletes that Level 1 has discovered through their SuperUnkown contest. Poor Boyz is basically trying to mooch off this without even staying true to the format. They thought a catchy title like "Undiscovered" would give them the automatic credibility that L1 has established.
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not a great example really, superunknown has had its fair share of people who are as well known to the people listed in OP. wasn't nick martini a finalist? that's an example that comes to mind
 
13373203:Titsandwich11 said:
not a great example really, superunknown has had its fair share of people who are as well known to the people listed in OP. wasn't nick martini a finalist? that's an example that comes to mind
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I know not my best example. Just didn't think I would have to defend my opinion so hard.
 
13373157:TJenkins8 said:
Buddy I'm going to school for marketing so it was just an opinion I had and wanted to see what others thought. Yes the name should absolutely matter to PBP. Here's a MKT 101 tip for you, the name of your event should reflect your goals & OBJECTIVES!
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13373158:pussyfooter said:
Haha dude you're a fucking kook, i don't care what you learned in your mid level marketing class last week. They aren't selling a product, its a contest you dweeb.

Anyways, we're talking about the ski industry and even a smaller niche the ski filming industry. It doesn't fucking matter.
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You're entitled to your opinion but dont be butt hurt when ppl disagree or dont think it's really worth calling out. I mean...it's Poor Boyz Productions, do you even know where their name came from? And this is how the ski industry operates and you really shouldnt be surprised. Everything is always slightly janky and I wouldnt change a thing.
 
13373203:Titsandwich11 said:
not a great example really, superunknown has had its fair share of people who are as well known to the people listed in OP. wasn't nick martini a finalist? that's an example that comes to mind
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I must agree with this, I mean Zak Mousseau is in it, and he has a decent sized name.

There's a big difference between being a superstar pro on salary all year and just someone who is extremely popular online / on their own.
 
13373229:Mr.Bishop said:
I must agree with this, I mean Zak Mousseau is in it, and he has a decent sized name.

There's a big difference between being a superstar pro on salary all year and just someone who is extremely popular online / on their own.
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amen
 
I'm glad there is a thread about this because I was just going to create one..

This contest just seems a little off to me. Its called "undiscovered" and right under that there motto literally says "to find the best 'unkown' skiers in the US". yet there are major sponsored athletes competeing in this (stepp, sander, giray, charlie, scrappy, seaton, etc).

That being said all of the famous athletes who submitted for superunknown became famous after the contest.. usually all of the athletes (at the time of the contest) are actually unknown.

Also wtf is up with the music? I found it a little odd that most of the music sounded the same and then I looked at the rules. From their website "The Website will include a selection of music (the “Music”) that you have the option to include in your Video. If you include music in your Video, you must use one of the Music selections provided on the Website. You may not use any other music... If other music is used in a submitted Video, the Video will be disqualified"

I mean seriously? Just seems so controlled and blahhh. You wont let the athletes express themselves with their own music? Now they are forced to sound exactly the same as everyone else.
 
13373229:Mr.Bishop said:
I must agree with this, I mean Zak Mousseau is in it, and he has a decent sized name.

There's a big difference between being a superstar pro on salary all year and just someone who is extremely popular online / on their own.
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That's like comparing apples to oranges. Their is a big differnce between Zak and lets say charlie owens.. Both big names within the online forums, but in the ski industry as a whole, charlie is well above zach. charlie has got the chance to film with big names like stept already.
 
13373255:integrated said:
yet there are major sponsored athletes competeing in this (stepp, sander, giray
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hopefully giray will give you a piece of his mind when he sees this
 
13373288:danbrown said:
hopefully giray will give you a piece of his mind when he sees this
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My intention wasn't to bash any of the athletes. I just wanted to stir the pot about the contest in itself. I just thought it should be talked about a little more.
 
They could have been a bit more creative and explicit in their naming of this contest....Or they could have had a clause like Level 1 that if you are collecting a paycheck from skiing you aren't unknown, at least to the greater industry.
 
It may make you reconsider your thoughts on who is "pro". There isnt shit for money or help in the industry. I was told this comp was open to anyone who is not "Pro" as determined by having a salary or money from sponsors.

I dont know about the others, but i dont get paid or a budget by any of my sponsors. I dont have the money to go on sick film trips or places to push my skiing. I cant afford a car or a computer to edit on -- thats why mine is edited from someone else in the credits! Because most of these names you see entered are like myself, dedicating every cent to skiing as much as possible and trying to make sick shit! Its a chance to get out of Limbo and get to ski something sick and show the world you can shred a big chilean line!!!

In the "modern age", its likely that anyone you want to see skiing in next years PBP movie from filming in chile this summer already produces some sort of media or has a sponsor of some sort. I could be wrong...
 
13373228:artrud23 said:
You're entitled to your opinion but dont be butt hurt when ppl disagree or dont think it's really worth calling out. I mean...it's Poor Boyz Productions, do you even know where their name came from? And this is how the ski industry operates and you really shouldnt be surprised. Everything is always slightly janky and I wouldnt change a thing.
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Now I don't think thats fair. No ones butt hurt its just a simple debate. And let me guess.... They were a couple of poor boyz growing up??
 
13373312:HOTPOSSIE said:
They could have been a bit more creative and explicit in their naming of this contest....Or they could have had a clause like Level 1 that if you are collecting a paycheck from skiing you aren't unknown, at least to the greater industry.
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Thank you!!
 
13373371:Ahmets_Brother said:
Because most of these names you see entered are like myself, dedicating every cent to skiing as much as possible and trying to make sick shit! Its a chance to get out of Limbo and get to ski something sick and show the world you can shred a big chilean line!!!

In the "modern age", its likely that anyone you want to see skiing in next years PBP movie from filming in chile this summer already produces some sort of media or has a sponsor of some sort. I could be wrong...
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Thanks for your input on this. Your response has been the only one to make me rethink some things. For the record I have mad respect for your skiing.
 
Congrats to the winners! So, are they making a film out of the trip or just giving each guy a 90 second edit? Wasn't sure based on reading the rules.
 
13373146:TJenkins8 said:
My argument essentially is that it is a terrible name for the contest. PERIOD! I don't think you or anyone else can dispute that.
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Well if that's your argument I don't think Newschoolers forums is the right place to be asking kids for other opinions on what they think it should be named
 
Know who did it right? TGR Co-Lab.

No mention of unknown, undiscovered, unsponsored, etc in the title. Smart move TGR.
 
13407106:swoger said:
Well if that's your argument I don't think Newschoolers forums is the right place to be asking kids for other opinions on what they think it should be named
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You're ridiculous! If not NS forums where else would you ask fellow skiers their opinion?

This was over a month ago, get over it.
 
so when can we confirm who won? nothing from ns/sbc/poor boyz except for that vid, which mysteriously disappeared

GO IAN!
 
13373119:Uglyboy said:
Like I've said before. It's disappointing to see pros enter this contest. It goes against the entire point of having a competition to discover skiers that may not be as prominent as others.

I'd hate to see a skier whose already pretty well known to win over a lesser known skier
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Yeah I agree It's kinda like having LJ Strenio enter Superunknown
 
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