Pivot 15 overkill or fine

[G-ranny]

Getting multiple responses to me getting the pivot 15

im 5’6 weighing 137lbs

type 3/3+ (whatever type you consider the highest)

some people say it’s overkill and some say I’d be fine. My din has probably changed from a 6 anywhere up to 7.5 this summer

help/wise advise would be good

i just kinda prefer the quality feel of the 15s

 

[Isaac58]

As long as you fit into the range you’ll be fine. Do you need a pivot 15, probably not. If you prefer it tho it’ll be fine.

Getting multiple responses to me getting the pivot 15

im 5’6 weighing 137lbs

type 3/3+ (whatever type you consider the highest)

some people say it’s overkill and some say I’d be fine. My din has probably changed from a 6 anywhere up to 7.5 this summer

help/wise advise would be good

i just kinda prefer the quality feel of the 15s

 

[G-ranny]

As long as you fit into the range you’ll be fine. Do you need a pivot 15, probably not. If you prefer it tho it’ll be fine.

Thanks lol I’m getting mixed answers from different shops lol

some say it’s fine some say it’s overkill/bad

 

[Isaac58]

Lmao yeah I mean they’re both right cus like it is kinda over kill but at the same time they’ll last a rly long time and you prolly won’t die. I will say tho im around ur din and I ended up downgrading to the 14s j cus the metal is heavy and dosent rly give any benefit in the park.

Thanks lol I’m getting mixed answers from different shops lol

some say it’s fine some say it’s overkill/bad

 

[SofaKingSick]

As long as you fit into the range you’ll be fine. Do you need a pivot 15, probably not. If you prefer it tho it’ll be fine.

Lmao yeah I mean they’re both right cus like it is kinda over kill but at the same time they’ll last a rly long time and you prolly won’t die. I will say tho im around ur din and I ended up downgrading to the 14s j cus the metal is heavy and dosent rly give any benefit in the park.

what this guy said. if you are a 6 DIN and will never need to go lower, then they'll be great, but a tiny bit extra weight and a little overkill. but metal pivots last forever and if you're going to keep growing you can def keep using them. so yeah you're not getting bad advice it sounds like, they're both kind of right. getting the plastic model also makes perfect sense here

 

[G-ranny]

what this guy said. if you are a 6 DIN and will never need to go lower, then they'll be great, but a tiny bit extra weight and a little overkill. but metal pivots last forever and if you're going to keep growing you can def keep using them. so yeah you're not getting bad advice it sounds like, they're both kind of right. getting the plastic model also makes perfect sense here

Nah I’m done growing but not in terms of muscle/mass ig from what din calculator say I’m like din 7.5 some say 8 and some 6.5 so not sure but I know I’m higher than din 6

 

[G-ranny]

Nah I’m done growing but not in terms of muscle/mass ig from what din calculator say I’m like din 7.5 some say 8 and some 6.5 so not sure but I know I’m higher than din 6

Also yea most definitely will never go down pasta 6 din

unless I turn into some emo kid who doesn’t eat anymore

 

[hi_vis360]

I prefer the metal toe pivots cause there is less elasticity in the toepiece and I think it feels better when you ski

 

[egirl.ski]

shop employee and exclusive skier of pivots here:

for any binding, you want to be as close to the middle of the din range as possible, this is so that the spring can have the most movement possible, this will extend the life of the binding.

Ski bindings are also tested so that they release with a certain amount of force, for them to release as accurately as possible you want to stay away from the top two or bottom two values.

Pivots test VERY poorly at values below ~8 (meaning at below ~8 they require more force than is appropriate for the shown value).

All of this said, pivot 15 toes are indestructible, (and my personal choice).

pros of 15:

-durable

-good looking

-CAST system capability

-‘metal feel’

Cons of 15

-Heavy

-Expensive

-No vertical toe release

-almost impossible to get to test accurately below 8ish din

-only 2 points of toe contact.

Pros of 12/14:

-test reliably at 6-8 din

-cheaper

-lighter

-have a purely vertical toe release

-3rd point of contact to the toe of the boot

cons of 12/14:

-plastic feel

-less durable (start to get cut up)

-no CAST integration

-Less cool looking

All in All:

If you are planning to ski at over a 7-8 din the 15 should be fine, at 6.5 it might test well from my experience, but probably not. The 12/14 is probably ‘safer’ due to a lighter weight, a third point of contact with the toe and the vertical toe release. But I have seen old Pivot 18s that are 5-10 season old that are still in good shape.

Either is a good choice, I might recommend the 12/14 a little more for a recreation skier, but if you think you are likely to gain enough weight to ski above ~10 din, and want a binding that will be kicking around next decade, the 15 is a great choice.

Also:

older thread on same topic:
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/amp/924665

and Dollo was skiing a pivot 12/14 in BRUSHINO, so I don’t think it’s a bad choice.

 

[G-ranny]

shop employee and exclusive skier of pivots here:

for any binding, you want to be as close to the middle of the din range as possible, this is so that the spring can have the most movement possible, this will extend the life of the binding.

Ski bindings are also tested so that they release with a certain amount of force, for them to release as accurately as possible you want to stay away from the top two or bottom two values.

Pivots test VERY poorly at values below ~8 (meaning at below ~8 they require more force than is appropriate for the shown value).

All of this said, pivot 15 toes are indestructible, (and my personal choice).

pros of 15:

-durable

-good looking

-CAST system capability

-‘metal feel’

Cons of 15

-Heavy

-Expensive

-No vertical toe release

-almost impossible to get to test accurately below 8ish din

-only 2 points of toe contact.

Pros of 12/14:

-test reliably at 6-8 din

-cheaper

-lighter

-have a purely vertical toe release

-3rd point of contact to the toe of the boot

cons of 12/14:

-plastic feel

-less durable (start to get cut up)

-no CAST integration

-Less cool looking

All in All:

If you are planning to ski at over a 7-8 din the 15 should be fine, at 6.5 it might test well from my experience, but probably not. The 12/14 is probably ‘safer’ due to a lighter weight, a third point of contact with the toe and the vertical toe release. But I have seen old Pivot 18s that are 5-10 season old that are still in good shape.

Either is a good choice, I might recommend the 12/14 a little more for a recreation skier, but if you think you are likely to gain enough weight to ski above ~10 din, and want a binding that will be kicking around next decade, the 15 is a great choice.

Also:

older thread on same topic:
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/amp/924665

and Dollo was skiing a pivot 12/14 in BRUSHINO, so I don’t think it’s a bad choice.

Thanks but it theoretically could be do able ?

 

[SofaKingSick]

Cons of 15

-No vertical toe release

i thought this myth was busted?

but yeah OP if you're not growing anymore i'd say get the plastic model. it's 100% a great binding

 

[egirl.ski]

Thanks but it theoretically could be do able ?

what is your BSL

or

what boot and size to you have

 

[G-ranny]

what is your BSL

or

what boot and size to you have

Ordered 25.5 k2/ft model so 293 I believe is what is on evo chart

 

[egirl.ski]

i thought this myth was busted?

but yeah OP if you're not growing anymore i'd say get the plastic model. it's 100% a great binding

Man that would be cool! My head tech has said it doesn’t have one, I always thought it did?

Either way, cool gif!

 

[SofaKingSick]

Man that would be cool! My head tech has said it doesn’t have one, I always thought it did?

Either way, cool gif!

yeah that's why it sticks out to me, i remember a lot of us were surprised to see that haha, most of us def seemed to have assumed they didn't do that. it's from look's website btw

 

[egirl.ski]

Ordered 25.5 k2/ft model so 293 I believe is what is on evo chart

The 15 would be a reasonable choice, but like everyone else has said, maybe go with the plastic model.

I reallly like the 15 though so I understand.

 

[G-ranny]

The 15 would be a reasonable choice, but like everyone else has said, maybe go with the plastic model.

I reallly like the 15 though so I understand.

Ok ok thanks so if I had to resume:

15 would work just more exp, heavier. And less performant than if I ran with a middle range din

12/14 best option. Less exp/ heavy would be best performant with my din

But at the end. Any would work just depends on what I want to sacrifice

 

[egirl.ski]

yeah that's why it sticks out to me, i remember a lot of us were surprised to see that haha, most of us def seemed to have assumed they didn't do that. it's from look's website btw

i’m such a pivot fangirl it’s insane. I have the 15 in purple forza and raw, and two 12s (i only use the heels for cast)

 

[egirl.ski]

Ok ok thanks so if I had to resume:

15 would work just more exp, heavier. And less performant than if I ran with a middle range din

12/14 best option. Less exp/ heavy would be best performant with my din

But at the end. Any would work just depends on what I want to sacrifice

12/14 is probably best.

Its not performance exactly, it’s more about the safety. If you set a pivot 15 to 6.5, it will usually require too much force to release. Basically, at a ~6 it would be like a ~7, most shops won’t let you take a ski that tested wrong. But at 3+ you should be around an 8 din. Which, in my experience, is less likely to be a problem.

Probably just get a 12/14.

unless you’re skiing 100+ days a year, it should be a good fit.

 

[MisfitSkis]

Pivot 15 >

 

[egirl.ski]

Pivot 15 >

heard you guys on two planker seems like an awesome company ran by people with good binding preference

 

[21CABBAGE]

Damn...

Im out here running 18's @ >160lbs?

I feel stupid for doing it but they were $220 and the 15's were way more $$$ than the 18's, so y'all know I had to do it

 

[Non_State_Actor]

All the people saying you need to be in the middle of the DIN range are holding on to some really old-school theories. Bindings are tested to perform across the DIN range.

OP get the 15s, resale on them down the road is fantastic and they are much more durable than the plastic models.

 

[G-ranny]

All the people saying you need to be in the middle of the DIN range are holding on to some really old-school theories. Bindings are tested to perform across the DIN range.

OP get the 15s, resale on them down the road is fantastic and they are much more durable than the plastic models.

Yeah ended up contacting look themselves and they told me I would be fine. But they recommended the plastic ones over

 

[egirl.ski]

All the people saying you need to be in the middle of the DIN range are holding on to some really old-school theories. Bindings are tested to perform across the DIN range.

OP get the 15s, resale on them down the road is fantastic and they are much more durable than the plastic models.

Opinions differ, and yours is not unreasonable.

But,

I have seen 3 separate pairs of pivot 15s fail binding tests at 6.5&7 din.

and I have had my last 3 coaches insist that we stay away from at least the bottom 1 and top 1 of the din range.

Could be wrong, doing more research.

thank you for encouraging thinking.

 

[LeSaboteur]

i thought this myth was busted?

but yeah OP if you're not growing anymore i'd say get the plastic model. it's 100% a great binding

If you take the spring out of a 15 you can definitely push the front of the toe down. But keep in mind it's not part of the release test and has no certification so you can't be sure when/if that movement would happen.

**This post was edited on Oct 11th 2023 at 8:29:12pm

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Opinions differ, and yours is not unreasonable.

But,

I have seen 3 separate pairs of pivot 15s fail binding tests at 6.5&7 din.

and I have had my last 3 coaches insist that we stay away from at least the bottom 1 and top 1 of the din range.

Could be wrong, doing more research.

thank you for encouraging thinking.

Then you get them warrantied because those are defective. It's not an opinion, the bindings are manufactured and tested to perform across the whole range otherwise they could easily just change the DIN range to 7-15 or whatever.