Pastor in Florida burns Koran & makes you tube video, Afghans attack UN office and kill 13 in anger.

she just said that what they did was wrong, what she did not say was they had a legit reason to do this. no ones making excuses, just explaining their situation. if someone committed murder, and the prosecution was presenting motives, would you say that?^ thats certainly not an exact analogy, but its the best i can think of
 
you have two friends who are islamic and they're the nicest people you know? oh thats nice, me too, but there were plenty of really nice germans during the late 1930's but that doesn't mean the nazi ones should have been ignored because they were just "a few bad apples". you seem to be ignoring the fact that one bad apple ruins the whole fucking pie.

 
only if you keep the apple in.

i know christians who are racists, but does that make me believe that all christians are racists? no. same thing with islam. when you look at the broader picture, the amount of extremist muslims is so monumentally outnumbered by perfectly normal, adjusted muslims, its baffling how people can still somehow believe that all muslims are extremists or violent. and the case of germany is completely different. the entity of extremist islam is very different from the country of Nazi Germany.
 
oh hell, if i lived in afghanistan 13 fucking people dead wouldn't mean shit to me either. i probably saw my best friend gunned down by american soldiers, also i live in a house made of dirt and i don't have plumbing. 13 dead people from the other side of world is nothing compared to the hell i'm living in.

but hey, if i live in america and i've never even seen someone murdered because my life rules and i take everything for fucking granted then 13 dead people i never even knew in the first place is one hell of a big fucking deal. how dare those people be violent in this day and age where i can tweet my friends on my iPad?

blah blah blah you're all idiots and you have no idea what it's like for anyone else in your perfect little world. maybe you should all go live in afghanistan and realize how hard it is not to be violent when you live in a war-torn country that's been plagued by violence and murder for your whole life. a world where your honour is the only thing that matters because you can't work a 9-5 job in a office tower typing at your computer and drinking coffee all day long. a world where the only way to have your voice heard by the western media is to terrorize them.

seriously i fucking hate all of you, you'd do the same thing if you hadn't grown up in a culture built by teletubbies. quit your bitching.
 
no shit nazis and muslims are different, i was illustrating a point that a minority should never be ignored, or for that matter catered to.
oh, and did you know that it's generally accepted that roughly 10% of muslims sympathize with the radical movement? not exactly "monumentally outnumbered" like you stated. And who ever said that "ALL" muslims are radicals like you and nadia keep throwing around? when are you going to say something that is actually relevant to the argument and not just throw around your "oh you live in cushy suburbia / you think all muslims are radicals / we need to be sensitive" bullshit.
 
so you can make disparaging posts on the internet and pretend to be above basic human conflict?
 
which is the few thousand and which is the few hundred thousand? because neither would be accurate in this situation. You first have to understand that the nazi party was easily in the millions, but you should also know that the radical movement is also millions strong.
For one second, forget about the nazi comparison, you're looking at it from the wrong angle, i'm not comparing nazis to muslims. I was illustrating how a minority shouldn't be ignored.
ok now that you're past that, what the fuck did you think the radical islamic movement was? some cult with a couple thousand followers that live in some militarized camp somewhere? the fact that you would limit their following to a few thousand really says all that needs to be said about your knowledge of radical islam.
 
-Obviously, considering that they have.
-No, I think you're high.
-We are not "bending over backwards" for "these people"
-Nope, I have no desire to see Mecca.
-Nope I'm not from an egyptian christian sect, thanks for asking though.
-Was it a good idea to burn a Koran? They have the same right to build a mosque as we do to burn the flag, bible, Koran, or some wood.
-Is that how you justify being an uneducated twat? By using a tough guy facade?

The fact that you refer to Muslims as "these people" puts you up there with Hitler. :)
 
so we should call it "free speech, but only nice things"?

here's my plan.

Justin's "will it blend" we take a quran, a torah, and a bible. and see if they all blend. once they have all be sufficiently blended together we throw in some bacon, and something offensive to the christians.

but again, dont get me wrong, the pastor (i have trouble calling him that) is an absolute idiot who is helping no one accomplish anything. however, he has every right to express his opinion.

 
o and IMO instead of using the cop out excuse that some idiot burnt their holy book.

why dont they just admit they hate america, want us to die, and we should GTFO their country.

i can atleast respect that.
 
Can't say I am surprised by your two inane comments. Carpet bombing? Yeah that will solve it.
A lot of Americans got so upset when Muslims wanted to build a mosque near ground zero. If somebody burns the flag, again, people get up in arms. So who is really living in the middle ages? Sounds to me like you have a bit of a bias problem with the US. Of course burning anything never justifies killing people, but to not see a more intelligent way on how to confront this problem is your, and many other American's problems. It's called perspective and your tiny world needs some of it.
 
Of course, that's exactly what I said. /sarcasm. What I meant was that I picked Atheism (since its a free country) because I disagree with the idea of religion, and thus don't feel the need to fight one another over a potentially fictitious belief. In no way did I say that I was above basic human conflict, I just made a choice that I feel leaves me in a neutral state, instead of being another one of the millions that try to force their beliefs on others (and kill for them). I don't go around saying "hey, a couple of you guys killed thousands of people, therefore you are all terrorists." I reserve judgment for the individual, not the group. Without trying to start a shitstorm, I honestly believe that a lot of the time, Catholics and the like are just as "bad" as the American media makes the Muslims out to be. Consider this (without an immature flamefest starting): If there existed no religion, how many wars/genocides in history could have been avoided?
 
If they had been self governed (to the extent that Afghanistan can be governed) instead, they would have been content to simply fly a few planes into some buildings.

My overall opinion on this matter, independent of my overall views of various religions.

Mr. Jones is an idiot and a coward. He deserves no less then a good broken nose and a kidney shot.

In all probability the attacks would have happened regardless, they serve to achieve a desired end state for the islamists. The Qur'an burning does however provide them ammunition to use in recruiting fighters and financial support. It also undermines U.S. interests abroad as it can be used by propagandists to show a lack of American religious tolerance.
 
Carpet bombing will solve the Afghan problem, which is that we need to leave Afghanistan in a way that will deny its future use as a base from which to strike American targets, as it was used for in the 1990s and up until December 2001.

Of course, I am sure you have a better solution based on first hand knowledge, or are you arm-chairing this one?

I have no more problem with the construction of a mosque near ground zero then I do with fuck head burning a US flag, or a Qur'an. Personally I view all of the actions as both stupid insensitive, and incredibly offensive.
 
Some of the people posting in this thread have been to Afghanistan, and seen the shit hole that it is for themselves. When were you there?
 
i wasn't directing my anger at people who know what that kind of world is like, obviously.

 
You were there for a tour of duty, I will give you that at least which is more than what most NS members have done. However it was one tour of duty, a matter of months. You didn't grow up there, you have the very slightest idea about the culture, customs traditions and history. Nowhere close to be considered an expert on the situation on anything that isn't combat related.
 
You are absolutely right. No one has ever been redeployed to the same spot. All those guys with more then 2 overseas service bars on their sleeves are posers. Also in Afghanistan the US soldiers do not interact at all with the local population, never what so ever. I am glad you are so familiar with US army operations in Afghanistan, you sound like you have a lot of experience.

I know guys who were in Afghanistan in the 80s and again in the 21st century. If they share my views on the subject it must be because they were living in a cave... nevermind.
 
i agree with this, btw. my post was directed at those who are saying things like "how can they do something like this, in this day and age?" "they are so violent over nothing" etc. etc.
 
Maybe im just blind r you cant read but I dont recall I ever said I had more knowledge. I simply stated that being over there for a matter of months does not make you an expert in anything other than beating off.
 
You seem to have a very in-depth knowledge of life on one of the bigger FOBs. I wish I could tell you more about those.

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I really really hope you never have any influence on foreign policy. Although if you are over 18 you are a voter and therefore do, which is very scary. Your attitude and what you are talking about is exactly why we have terrorism on the scale we do and why since Eisenhower we have had negative tensions with the Middle East. It's actually pretty easy. However, it will take a bit of pride-swallowing which seems to be nearly impossible for us as Americans. Only in the US do I hear the excuse in politics "well at least he's not a flip flopper" This type of mentality constantly plagues US politics. Sticking to your guns even if you are wrong is an unfortunate side effect of where Christian morals don't belong in politics.
I have many solutions to "beating" terrorism. All of them include the US not having military bases in the Middle East, since that is the prominent reason for Bin Laden's unwarranted hatred of America. I don't think you could contextualize or fathom the ideas since you seem to side with the chess board treatment of a geographic region. Good luck with that, if we do go your route, we are only going to see more and more extremists. Fight fire with fire right? Wrong. I'm really sorry you see the world as simply and narrow-mindedly as you do.
 
internet debates:

insult opposite side

say something is common knowledge

???????????

lose, because you're arguing on the internet.

I won't argue any more, but i will say that in a few centuries, we'll be having the same debate about some other faith or creed. and then in a few centuries over again. and over.
 
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