ON3P the most overrated (and overpriced) brand?

[JFU]

It doesn’t to me, but a lotta ppl here you can tell are getting butthurt lol, so apparently a lotta ppl care about what is on others feet.

You are a walking oxymoron. Go outside, touch some grass, walk the dog

 

[hoodratz47]

Begrudgingly you are not wrong. People really do care for some damn reason. Gear heads get hard ons for a certain brand either for or against. I definitely love gear but since day one i known that it will not make be inherently better. And my billy goats do make soft snow a ton of fun they are a bit of a challenge thou you have to ski them how they want and I know I could still do what I do on them on any other ski with having t make some modifications regarding my own skiing

It doesn’t to me, but a lotta ppl here you can tell are getting butthurt lol, so apparently a lotta ppl care about what is on others feet.

 

[SteezyYeeter]

I change my mind you'd have to be fucking retarded to buy an on3p ski

 

[chubbspeterson]

On3p is the most core company that sacrifices profit over quality and care for doing what they think is right by keeping things small and made in the US that exists in the ski industry and they’ve been doing it for almost 15 years. If you don’t want to support that cause you think you’re too cool go for it. The skis rip and everything across the board has gotten more expensive to make in the last few years. People that can afford and want a custom ski really help keep the company going, and if you don’t want that the factory finds always have great deals when they are around.

 

[chubbspeterson]

And the stock skis are standard industry price for any well made ski that isn’t from China

On3p is the most core company that sacrifices profit over quality and care for doing what they think is right by keeping things small and made in the US that exists in the ski industry and they’ve been doing it for almost 15 years. If you don’t want to support that cause you think you’re too cool go for it. The skis rip and everything across the board has gotten more expensive to make in the last few years. People that can afford and want a custom ski really help keep the company going, and if you don’t want that the factory finds always have great deals when they are around.

 

[Christian_Bale]

If you don’t want to support that cause you think you’re too cool go for it.

I assure you that's not the reason lol can't justify dropping that much on a park ski. The factory deals are cool though I appreciate that. Would love to try a pair one day

 

[Session]

It doesn’t to me, but a lotta ppl here you can tell are getting butthurt lol, so apparently a lotta ppl care about what is on others feet.

My guy, you literally made the thread.

 

[NSCrip69]

Right, I did, with the purpose of discussing alternative brands. I never once said anything bad about ON3P or insulted people for what skis they use. Yet all the ON3P owners have showed up insulting me for no reason. But Ive stayed true to myself and will continue to do so regardless of what ppl wanna call me.

My guy, you literally made the thread.

 

[Session]

Right, I did, with the purpose of discussing alternative brands. I never once said anything bad about ON3P or insulted people for what skis they use. Yet all the ON3P owners have showed up insulting me for no reason. But Ive stayed true to myself and will continue to do so regardless of what ppl wanna call me.

Your title is "overpriced" and "overhyped". Your first alternative suggestion wasn't even in the same ballpark. But keep staying true.

 

[NSCrip69]

Calling a product overpriced and overhyped isn’t always a negative thing, and more importantly was never a personal insult towards another human (like what I’ve received from others here). A product can be good but still overpriced. Regardless I am here to discuss skis, you can call me any insult you want but I’ll stay true to my morals and always treat other humans with respect.

also I’d say my suggestion was on point. Wildcat is a similar flex ski and similar shape with exact same mounting point and width.

Your title is "overpriced" and "overhyped". Your first alternative suggestion wasn't even in the same ballpark. But keep staying true.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2024 at 1:05:31am

 

[Session]

Calling a product overpriced and overhyped isn’t always a negative thing, and more importantly was never a personal insult towards another human (like what I’ve received from others here). A product can be good but still overpriced. Regardless I am here to discuss skis, you can call me any insult you want but I’ll stay true to my morals and always treat other humans with respect.

also I’d say my suggestion was on point. Wildcat is a similar flex ski and similar shape with exact same mounting point and width.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2024 at 1:05:31am

Ok Weatcoast

 

[hamsauce]

Cool, but I still don't really see the point of complaining about the price of a ski and recommending a ski that isnt even $100 cheaper.

Let's equate apples to apples here, MSRP Moments barely cheaper than MSRP Jeff's.

On sale moments (ski burger) are literally the same price as factory finds Jeff's.

I think it's cool to discuss other brands, but calling ON3Ps overpriced when you literally can not name a single ski of similar quality/performance/customer service that is more than $100 cheaper is just rage bait

you would have gotten a better response with a thread titled "Affordable Alternatives to ON3Ps". I know I would have recommended some skis that fit into that category and contributed to your thread, but instead I chose to defend a brand I love and has treated me well for 10+ years on a claim that makes zero fucking sense.

Calling a product overpriced and overhyped isn’t always a negative thing, and more importantly was never a personal insult towards another human (like what I’ve received from others here). A product can be good but still overpriced. Regardless I am here to discuss skis, you can call me any insult you want but I’ll stay true to my morals and always treat other humans with respect.

also I’d say my suggestion was on point. Wildcat is a similar flex ski and similar shape with exact same mounting point and width.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2024 at 1:05:31am

 

[Lenny-]

Cool, but I still don't really see the point of complaining about the price of a ski and recommending a ski that isnt even $100 cheaper.

Let's equate apples to apples here, MSRP Moments barely cheaper than MSRP Jeff's.

On sale moments (ski burger) are literally the same price as factory finds Jeff's.

I think it's cool to discuss other brands, but calling ON3Ps overpriced when you literally can not name a single ski of similar quality/performance/customer service that is more than $100 cheaper is just rage bait

you would have gotten a better response with a thread titled "Affordable Alternatives to ON3Ps". I know I would have recommended some skis that fit into that category and contributed to your thread, but instead I chose to defend a brand I love and has treated me well for 10+ years on a claim that makes zero fucking sense.

After 10+ years of buying skis from the same brand are they throwing you discounts on all their products yet?

What exactly are they doing for you that gives you the impression they treat you well? Do they give you a bunch of free extra goodies with your skis? Does the owner write you a thank you card with a cute little heart on it?

I ask because Vishnu does all of this and more.

 

[hamsauce]

Yes, factory finds every single spring. Without fail. And I have literally only purchased 2 pairs new from them (and one used off of marketplace)- over a span of 10 years because the skis are built so fucking well I havent had to buy new pairs all the time.

How am I treated well? Out of all the skis I have bought, I have never had as good of a customer service experience as ON3P. Quick reply, genuine concern, and a follow up phone call from the owner to make sure I got the wonky tune was sorted out. Numerous threads on here with the owner personally replying offering warranties and suggestions. I will take a solid warranty and great customer service over a goody bag any day.

I cant speak to Vishnu much as I have never had experience with customer service, but I know Vishnu has a presence on these forums and the brand is sick and has a mission of keeping costs low. Can't hate at all, but they are very different skis.

After 10+ years of buying skis from the same brand are they throwing you discounts on all their products yet?

What exactly are they doing for you that gives you the impression they treat you well? Do they give you a bunch of free extra goodies with your skis? Does the owner write you a thank you card with a cute little heart on it?

I ask because Vishnu does all of this and more.

 

[Lenny-]

Yes, factory finds every single spring. Without fail.

Factory finds is not a sitewide discount on "all their products" for being a loyal customer for 10+ years. It's discounts on the products they couldn't sell. Saying "yes" and citing factory finds feels disingenuous, I'm not interested in anything else you have to say.

 

[hamsauce]

Factory finds is not a sitewide discount on "all their products" for being a loyal customer for 10+ years. It's discounts on the products they couldn't sell. Saying "yes" and citing factory finds feels disingenuous, I'm not interested in anything else you have to say.

Yeah I think I am done here as well. Feel free to criticize ON3P's business model and marketing strategies, I and many others have reason to love a company that makes killer skis and has killer customer service. I also am a fan of Vishnu, and their marketing strategies and business model seem to work awesome for them. Everyone has a right to nitpick things they dont like about companies, I just think it is kind of a stretch to shit on ON3P because they dont include a goody bag when you buy their skis or offer a discount on skis where they probably have pretty thin profit margins already.

 

[KimJongTrill]

I don't buy things for discounts. I buy because I like the company, people and its products. "You get what you pay for". ON3P is just that.

 

[Session]

After 10+ years of buying skis from the same brand are they throwing you discounts on all their products yet?

What exactly are they doing for you that gives you the impression they treat you well? Do they give you a bunch of free extra goodies with your skis? Does the owner write you a thank you card with a cute little heart on it?

I ask because Vishnu does all of this and more.

Factory finds is not a sitewide discount on "all their products" for being a loyal customer for 10+ years. It's discounts on the products they couldn't sell. Saying "yes" and citing factory finds feels disingenuous, I'm not interested in anything else you have to say.

The effort you are putting in to comparing a ski manufacturer with real overhead to someone ordering skis from China and selling them out of their basement is amusing.

 

[ParkingLotPiss]

I feel ON3P wouldn't have such a devoted fan base if they weren't making stellar products. I've never had a pair but the only time I've heard people say anything bad about them is on NS, everyone I've talked to in real life loves em.

but the real issue is they are releasing some of the ugliest top sheets I've ever seen.

 

[stonedbrian]

I feel ON3P wouldn't have such a devoted fan base if they weren't making stellar products. I've never had a pair but the only time I've heard people say anything bad about them is on NS, everyone I've talked to in real life loves em.

but the real issue is they are releasing some of the ugliest top sheets I've ever seen.

whats your least favorite (recent) topsheet?

 

[ParkingLotPiss]

whats your least favorite (recent) topsheet?

honestly not a fan of the whole format. I don't like how they break the graphic up into sections and leave the area around the bindings basically blank. and then on the area where they do include graphics, they're all pretty lame. The Jeffery plane graphics are pretty bad (last year they were super corny, so they've gotten a bit better). why airplanes? And their logo always seems like its just slapped on top, also pretty ugly logo, just a further eye sore. the woodsmen are pretty boring, mountains on skis is kind of low hanging fruit.

my theory is its just a scheme to get people to buy the custom skis.

the wood veneer stuff is sick though.

I'm just hating but it definitely stopes me from buying their skis.

 

[NSCrip69]

Also the graphics are hella blurry in real life which makes it “look” cheap. It looks high definition in their photos and marketing but in real life it looks like you’re looking at the graphic through frosted glass.

honestly not a fan of the whole format. I don't like how they break the graphic up into sections and leave the area around the bindings basically blank. and then on the area where they do include graphics, they're all pretty lame. The Jeffery plane graphics are pretty bad (last year they were super corny, so they've gotten a bit better). why airplanes? And their logo always seems like its just slapped on top, also pretty ugly logo, just a further eye sore. the woodsmen are pretty boring, mountains on skis is kind of low hanging fruit.

my theory is its just a scheme to get people to buy the custom skis.

the wood veneer stuff is sick though.

I'm just hating but it definitely stopes me from buying their skis.

 

[stonedbrian]

honestly not a fan of the whole format. I don't like how they break the graphic up into sections and leave the area around the bindings basically blank. and then on the area where they do include graphics, they're all pretty lame. The Jeffery plane graphics are pretty bad (last year they were super corny, so they've gotten a bit better). why airplanes? And their logo always seems like its just slapped on top, also pretty ugly logo, just a further eye sore. the woodsmen are pretty boring, mountains on skis is kind of low hanging fruit.

my theory is its just a scheme to get people to buy the custom skis.

the wood veneer stuff is sick though.

I'm just hating but it definitely stopes me from buying their skis.

Fair enough, and I also don't understand the planes lol. But the graphic including where the binding goes is personally pretty cool given that the bindings will cover that space up anyway. Sometimes, skis looks better without bindings and on3ps aren't one of them, which kind of plays into their exposure on the hill.

 

[PartyBullshiit]

Calling a product overpriced and overhyped isn’t always a negative thing, and more importantly was never a personal insult towards another human (like what I’ve received from others here). A product can be good but still overpriced. Regardless I am here to discuss skis, you can call me any insult you want but I’ll stay true to my morals and always treat other humans with respect.

also I’d say my suggestion was on point. Wildcat is a similar flex ski and similar shape with exact same mounting point and width.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2024 at 1:05:31am

You’ve literally had what, like 4 previous burner accounts banned because all you did was disrespect people. You slightly matured on this account.

 

[dwt802]

These criticisms of ON3P are so pitty considering all good they do as a brand not to mention hand build all their skis in the U.S. If they’re not your cup of tea fine but bitching because people like them isn’t the way.

 

[Lenny-]

The effort you are putting in to comparing a ski manufacturer with real overhead to someone ordering skis from China and selling them out of their basement is amusing.

It's crazy how the guy selling skis out of his basement is doing a better job running a ski company than everyone else. It's amusing to me that so many morons overpay for skis because of good marketing. I can't imagine being fooled by a bunch of dumb Portland cunts, but I guess you don't have to. Keep overpaying, I've got a bank to laugh to.

 

[KimJongTrill]

You seem like a chipper young fella. Would love to see that bank statement from all those dollars you are saving.

It's crazy how the guy selling skis out of his basement is doing a better job running a ski company than everyone else. It's amusing to me that so many morons overpay for skis because of good marketing. I can't imagine being fooled by a bunch of dumb Portland cunts, but I guess you don't have to. Keep overpaying, I've got a bank to laugh to.

 

[hamsauce]

You see a bunch of dumb Portland cunts. I see some homies who love skiing who rip Hood on their days off taking pride in making kick ass skis.

If you had a friend who was a hobby woodworker start hand making furniture, spending hours on it, and selling it, would you shit on that too because you can buy a shitty table from IKEA for $50?

If you're gonna shit on anyone, shit on the big companies who make skis in China and still charge North of $800 for a new pair of skis. TBH I'm surprised ON3Ps are as affordable as they are. Not many industries can be that close price wise to the big dogs who have factories overseas.

It's crazy how the guy selling skis out of his basement is doing a better job running a ski company than everyone else. It's amusing to me that so many morons overpay for skis because of good marketing. I can't imagine being fooled by a bunch of dumb Portland cunts, but I guess you don't have to. Keep overpaying, I've got a bank to laugh to.

 

[jca]

It's crazy how the guy selling skis out of his basement is doing a better job running a ski company than everyone else. It's amusing to me that so many morons overpay for skis because of good marketing. I can't imagine being fooled by a bunch of dumb Portland cunts, but I guess you don't have to. Keep overpaying, I've got a bank to laugh to.

If only he could build skis at a quality nearing ON3P. V doesn't even use 2.5x2.5 edges.

 

[SteezyYeeter]

i am not buying antifa ahh skis

 

[hi_vis360]

honestly not a fan of the whole format. I don't like how they break the graphic up into sections and leave the area around the bindings basically blank. and then on the area where they do include graphics, they're all pretty lame. The Jeffery plane graphics are pretty bad (last year they were super corny, so they've gotten a bit better). why airplanes? And their logo always seems like its just slapped on top, also pretty ugly logo, just a further eye sore. the woodsmen are pretty boring, mountains on skis is kind of low hanging fruit.

my theory is its just a scheme to get people to buy the custom skis.

the wood veneer stuff is sick though.

I'm just hating but it definitely stopes me from buying their skis.

I agree the planes are not it, love the graphics on my woodsmans though the mountains are pretty basic but they look good on snow and I like an understated graphic

 

[fucintight]

“i actually prefer my skis to be made by fascists” lol

i am not buying antifa ahh skis

 

[Chunderface]

Stock On3p graphics are possibly the worst in whe industry. Ski quality is solid AF.

vishnus just generally trash and if you ski them you’re probably a clown but don’t know it.

 

[Lenny-]

I feel like if your ON3Ps last more than 2 months it's probably because you just aren't very good, probably skip some rails.

 

[NSCrip69]

Facts. Everyone talks about ON3P durability but fails to recognize that the demographic of people buying ON3P aren’t using them in the park. “Pound for pound” if you compare durability of an ON3P to any other mainstream brand, durability would be the exact same. Edges would be first to go on any brand. People act like ON3P is made of otherworldly materials and their marketing department deserves a raise for that.

I feel like if your ON3Ps last more than 2 months it's probably because you just aren't very good, probably skip some rails.

 

[BallClapper]

Line skis most durable for sure. Right behind k2. Right?

Facts. Everyone talks about ON3P durability but fails to recognize that the demographic of people buying ON3P aren’t using them in the park. “Pound for pound” if you compare durability of an ON3P to any other mainstream brand, durability would be the exact same. Edges would be first to go on any brand. People act like ON3P is made of otherworldly materials and their marketing department deserves a raise for that.

 

[hamsauce]

Point me to how their marketing team is saying anything different than Line, Faction, Armada, etc. EVERYONE says "made with durable XYZ built well". There is a reason why ON3Ps have the reputation they do- the same reason why factions and Lines have the reputation for being crappy quality. Do you really think Toyota's got their reputation of being durable from their marketing team, when literally every other car company says "built to last"? The proof is in the pudding.

It's not marketing. It is word of mouth. It is reputation. Tell me- have either of you EVER owned and skied a pair of ON3Ps for a full season? Because TBH if you havent owned ON3Ps then how the fuck are you and expert on their durability over many different lifelong ON3P owners getting all the upvotes?

The brain rot in this thread is unreal. I am still waiting for you to address all of the other points I and many others have made in this thread that no one has a response for.

So please tell me-which ON3Ps have you owned and skied for a full season and how long did they last compared to other skis you have owned?

Facts. Everyone talks about ON3P durability but fails to recognize that the demographic of people buying ON3P aren’t using them in the park. “Pound for pound” if you compare durability of an ON3P to any other mainstream brand, durability would be the exact same. Edges would be first to go on any brand. People act like ON3P is made of otherworldly materials and their marketing department deserves a raise for that.

 

[NSCrip69]

Well yes, if your friend group doesn’t ski park, then the expectation is their skis are going to last longer. So they’re gonna spread that word of mouth.

compare that to another friend group who only skis park, then the general conversation among them is their skis don’t last as long.

of course ON3P owners are going to speak on their durability…because majority of them aren’t in the park! Their skis SHOULD last longer because they’re not banging steel edges on steel rails/tubes.

of course Line skis have a shitty reputation….80% of their catalog is park oriented skis, the customers buying those skis are taking those skis through the ringer so the likelihood of someone having a broken ski or durability complaint is higher from a Line customer.

to answer your question, I’ve owned Mango 100’s that had edge cracks within 5 days of park skiing. Same durability as my line/factions I’ve skied in the past. Difference is I paid 2x the price for the ON3P

Point me to how their marketing team is saying anything different than Line, Faction, Armada, etc. EVERYONE says "made with durable XYZ built well". There is a reason why ON3Ps have the reputation they do- the same reason why factions and Lines have the reputation for being crappy quality. Do you really think Toyota's got their reputation of being durable from their marketing team, when literally every other car company says "built to last"? The proof is in the pudding.

It's not marketing. It is word of mouth. It is reputation. Tell me- have either of you EVER owned and skied a pair of ON3Ps for a full season? Because TBH if you havent owned ON3Ps then how the fuck are you and expert on their durability over many different lifelong ON3P owners getting all the upvotes?

The brain rot in this thread is unreal. I am still waiting for you to address all of the other points I and many others have made in this thread that no one has a response for.

So please tell me-which ON3Ps have you owned and skied for a full season and how long did they last compared to other skis you have owned?

**This post was edited on Oct 7th 2024 at 10:42:44pm

 

[NSCrip69]

Pretty sure K2’s most popular park ski, (Poacher), has a reputation for being one of the most durable skis in general

Line skis most durable for sure. Right behind k2. Right?

 

[Christian_Bale]

Facts. Everyone talks about ON3P durability but fails to recognize that the demographic of people buying ON3P aren’t using them in the park.

I mean they don't just make park skis lol but yes I'm sure a decent amount of people don't ride them in the park that much but this is also true of other companies