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if you skate around the ice with your head down you are eventually going to get fucked up. you clearly have only been in the stands and never actually played the game of hockey. do you know how fast the play is? you do not skate through the neutral zone with your head down, especially after making a pass. if you put yourself in a vulnerable situation you are asking to get injured. if you do not think horton could have prevented the severity of the hit you need to stop voicing your opinion and stick to just watching the game.
 
ok kids stop arguing about the hit, it goes both ways....Late hit = illegalHorton has his head down = never follow your pass
But keep in mind the hit was late, therefore horton wasn't expecting a hit after he got rid of the puck. Either way stop arguing about the hit its done,
This thread is now about Thomas fucking up Sedin haha
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so Rome gets 4 games, fucking bs, but w/e. We have the depth and Ballard and/or Tanev can fill in.

The thing that pisses me off is the inconsistency of the NHL.

so the reason for Rome being suspended is "the hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury."

1. Being late, fine i'll accept that, if only slightly. But since when has interference been a suspendable offense? If anything it should have been 2 min, which was the original call.

2. The injury, so essentially they are punishing Rome for the outcome of the hit, not the hit itself. Im my mind what they are saying is that if that same hit happened and Horton jumped back up it would only be a 2 min penalty, so just because someone gets injured they have to tack on a suspension? IMO the injury did not come from the hit but from his head hitting the ice, it dropped like a hammer, so why should Rome be punished for how Horton fell to the ice.

But w/e can't change anything now, so i hope for the speediest recovery for Horton.

I also hate the bring up the Chara hit again, but going by the 2 standards by which the suspension was called Chara coulda been suspended too, hit was late and called injury. Don't think he should have and the right call was made. just making a point.

On to game 4, should be a great game and i expect Vancouver to bounce back hard, even though imo they didn't really play that bad in game 3, just gave up after the 5th goal and got some unlucky bounces and Thomas kept Boston in the game.
 
So if you skate with your head down, it should be completely legal for some shit hole 3rd string defensman to cheep shot you in the head and try and end your season or career.

Come on man, every time you post, you make yourself look even more dumb.
 
but if you play hockey, you know to never skate with your head down, if you're not looking you're going to get fucked eventually its true.
 
k thnx for that. been playing hockey for 18 years and have had my clock cleaned quite a few times on late hits and have also fucked some people up myself.

you CANNOT blame horton for that LATE hit because his head wasn't looking down ice. i do, however, know that you can change direction when you know your hit is going to be late. if horton had the puck and his head down i agree that it would be his own fault. but he didn't. end of discussion. oh and in the nhl a late hit is after .5 of a second. not 1, 2, 3, hit. like it is in pee wees.
 
when did i say it was legal? the hit was late and unnecessary, please read my posts if you plan on calling me dumb. i said it should have been a 5 minute major not a 4 game suspension. if horton had his head up rome would not have received a 4 game suspension. rome should be penalized for his actions not hortons actions, or in this case lack of action
 
and all you guys repeating that "keep your head up" shit, that mostly applies to when you actually have possession of the puck you know, obviously if you dont have the puck you're gonna be looking where the puck is, otherwise you wouldnt know where the fuck to go and what to do and if your team even still has the puck anymore. you guys are basically saying that for a good 5 seconds after you pass the puck you should be looking up, directly in the direction youre skating otherwise you're fair game to head shots. makes no sense boys.
 
for once I agree with Canuck fans. He really shouldn't have been suspended for four games, thats a little ridiculous. of course that is making up for the zero punishment of Burrows after he bit bergeron but still in the past three games the reffing has been sub-standard. both teams are losing out.
 
well rome finished his hit on nathan horton and got 4 games for it. raffi torres finished his hit on jordan eberle and got 4 games for it. its unfortunate both had their heads down.

that argument works both ways, my argument is not dumb whatsoever.
 
This has been my confusion the entire time... aside from the fact that the hit was blindside, late, and unnecessary as anything... it wouldnt matter if he looked down to check to make sure his laces were tied... he didnt have the puck for a good amount of time before the hit. Rome should have saw that, and either let up, or changed direction... but he maintained.
 
definitely understand what you are saying. in this case though horton should have taken a look up the ice before and after making the pass. he knew there were defenders right in front of him. when horton received the pass he knew rome was right in front of him and i feel he could have prevented the severity of the hit. these guys are in the nhl they do not need to stare at the player they are passing to for a few seconds before and after the pass.

anyways these is getting a bit ridiculous because bruins fans are saying it was a dirty hit and canucks fans are obviously disagreeing. i think everyone can agree on the fact the hit was late. everyone will have a different opinion on what sort of punishment rome should have received.

personally, although i hate the canucks, i hope they win because it makes the blackhawks look better haha

 
Drop the finger thing dude... No suspension required for that incident, unsportsmanlike or not... any Boston fan bitching about that still is no better than a Canucks fan saying that Rome's hit was not malicious or deserving of a suspension...
But yes. 4 games is a bit much. I say 2 games is what it should have been, but I suppose the league wanted to make a statement, too. had nothing to do with any 'make up call' IMO.
 
i was saying that just because someone has their head in their hands does not mean that their face hurts. by winded i dont mean out of breathe i mean actually getting the wind knocked out of you and taking a few seconds to get it back so you lay there on the ground
 
Alright, so i just watched Mike Murphy explanation for the suspension and i just don't get it.

First of all everyone saying the hit was dirty or cheap it was NOT. Even Muprhy admitted this, he said it was a north-south hit and had it happened right after the pass it would have been LEGAL ! The ruling didn't even fall under rule 48.

Essentially what he said was that it was late, and by his calculation, close to a second, yet not even one. 1 second is such a small amount of time there are hits dished every night that are after the 1 second mark yet this was before.

He said it was interference penalty that had serious injury related to it and that is what the suspension was for.

Anyway i don't mind that he's suspended, because hopefully Boston won't be able to use it as a rallying point as they were felt they did not get the right call like what Chicago did when Torres hit Seabrook

Anyways its water under the bridge now, i just hate the inconsistency of the NHL. At
 
Would you concede that this is a difficult decision to make in a fraction of a second? Especially when you're fired up since Thornton was personally chirping you on the bench just moments earlier (did anyone else watch Coach's Corner, 1st intermission?)...
 
im having trouble with this one because i was saying the exact same thing about chara and you were calling me a fucking idiot for thinking he should have ever not been going 158%. (sorry to bring up the chara shit AGAIN, not trying to start that debate again, just saying your logic seems inconsistent)
 
lol good point i completely forgot about the fight....you do not hit a guy when he's down on the ice after a fight, another golden hockey rule that kesler seemed to dismiss as he threw 2 punches after krecji was on the ground
 
a fraction of a second is a lifetime in the NHL at the rate of speed these guys play the game at...he had plenty of time to avoid a late hit
what does thorton chirping him have to do with cheap shotting another player? chirpping happens after every blown whistle especially in playoff games...doesnt mean people should be smashed players late cause of some chirping. get real.
 
you are a fucking retard. if you ever played without a cage people facewash each other after the whistler. they dont stick fingers in peoples mouths. the diving thing i agree with. the canucks have a few divers. they want to win. whoop dee do. every team has them. the canucks are just easy to hate because they have so many guys people hate to play against but you love to have on your team because they are people that can play and just piss the fuck out of the other team. we dont mind that everyone hates us. we just want the cup.

point 2. you again are a fucking retard. it was not a hit to the head. it was a clean north south hit in which horton didnt see him. whether it was late or not will be fought about for a long time because there is no definite rule on it that is consistently called by the reffs. yes. people do expect to get hit while entering the zone. thats how d force an offsides. if youve ever played hockey d are taught to step up at the blue line from peewee on. the blue lines are places of big hits. always have been. always will be
 
This is a JUST a bit different...
Chara's eyes were on the puck, and not eying in to deliver a big hit whatsoever other than to bump his man out of the play.
Rome's eyes were not on the puck. He was targeting a player for a big hit, failed to witness the puck had been dished off for a more than ample amount of time, and still delivered that hit.
In the playoffs, or any shift any time... you do go 158%... but 158% in my mind would have meant Rome's focus, which, as a defenseman should ALWAYS be for where the puck is first and foremost, would have shifted knowing the puck had been passed off to the player who then has possession of the puck. From all replays I saw, he didn't seem to make any notice of this, and maintained his path to the player, and did not for one sliver of a moment, let up.
This is just ignorance of what's going on in the play, and a bad move in general.
So no, I was not saying the exact same thing. You're just interpreting it that way for some reason.
 
You're so hard-headed. These guys don't operate in bullet-time. This thread would be exponentially better without you.
 
a fraction of a second is still a fraction of a second. split second decision and everyone is trying to make an impact. this is only different because of the injury which is why he got the suspension. the rules even say that game misconducts can be given due to the seriousness of an injury.

it has a lot to do with it. chirping fires everyone up. especially when he had a puck shot at him right before when he was on the bench
 
People saying the hit was blindside have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. Blind side would have been if he'd hit him coming from the direction of the side boards. The way you guys would have it, every time a guy is about to get hit all he has to do is look over his shoulder and the guy making the hit deserves a suspension. It is impossible to deliver a blind-side hit head on. The direction the player happens to be looking is irrelevant. The hit was late. According to Puck Daddy the hit was delivered .85 seconds after the puck was released - someone timed it, apparently. You are allowed .5 seconds. The difference is .35 seconds. Rome made a literally split-second decision and made the wrong one. It wasn't malicious; it's easy to make a bad call when you have less than a second to do it - ask Logan Couture about knocking down that high pass that led to a too many men penalty and a 5 on 3 in the SJ series.

Rome effectively was suspended for 5 games - 55 minutes of last night's game, plus 4 more, all of them in the Stanley Cup Finals. It's a cliche that "a playoff game is worth 3 regular season games", and if that's the case, they just effectively suspended him 15 games for a half-second decision. It is the longest suspension in Finals history. Pronger once got one for elbowing Dean McAmmond in the head on a rush - 2 games. Jiri Fischer broke his stick over a 'Canes player's face and that was worth 2 games. Ville Niemenen delivered a forearm shiver to the back of Vinny Lecavalier's head and smashed his face into the glass, rendering him briefly unconscious and even THAT was apparently not as bad as this interference call.

It's pretty hard to justify 4 games. I was seriously expecting 1-2 at most. For me, the 1 game he already got in the form of the misconduct, and the 5 minute major to the team, was penalty enough.

 
hahahaha are you stupid? even one of the Sedin's called it a late hit. The fact that it was late shouldn't even be up for debate.
 
They do react. And when a reaction happens within a fraction of a second it's usually by instinct rather than decision-- in this case it was the wrong move. If he had a few seconds to sit there think about what he was doing it is possible he would have made a different choice.

Your ego disgusts me.
 
no way dude youre wrong. rome had all the time in the world to make that decision. nhl player brains operate so seconds to us are a lot of time to them. and he was trying to make a dirty hit, which he did. duh
 
Guys. Stop bickering over fractions of a second and shit... Homie hit the dude regardless, and it's a penalty. It doesn't matter...
 
this is also kinda wrong. obviously you should always have an idea of whats going on with the puck but in that same situation, rome's d partner was covering the puck, rome's focus is then more importantly on covering horton coming in the zone to make sure hes not open for a pass. anyways we both agree on that hit so i dunno where im going with this, i was just saying. and i see where youre coming from on the chara hit, but to me they are both instances where the player instinctively went for the physical play rather than chilling out a little bit and evaluating the risk factor.
 
Holy fuck, an entire page dedicated to one hit that would only merit a couple responses in the reg season. It sounds like Boston fans are in desperate need to rally behind something and Canucks fans are getting butt hurt over a situation that is done and over with which wont have a huge impact in the series.
 
My point isnt who's covering who... it's knowing where the puck is and where it's going... Rome's ignorance to lay off after the puck was passed is what caused this issue. Whether he saw the puck or not, he still maintained his hit.
I know this is just a personal thing since I played Defense, but what I would have done, with how the break was entering the zone, was collapsed more to cover where the puck would go rather than to go for a strong hit. but that's just me and the style I grew up playing I suppose, and therefore it shouldn't matter haha.
 
Wait did you actually just say this? Seriously you played hockey? I do not fucking understand how ANYONE could say this having played hockey. "Take the man, not the puck" is like the oldest cliche in the sport. You watch the puck, you end up getting dangled 9 times out of 10. This is just not how the game is played. You watch the player, take him out, and let your teammate in support deal with the puck after your player has been bumped off it. I cannot believe you actually just posted this.
 
I've been following this thread since the hit happened, but have avoided posting in it since it was nothing but a shit show. Now that things have calmed down somewhat, I'd like to voice a few things.
First of all, I agree with FRODO's point way back, that the game misconduct may not have been called had there not been an injury on the play. While I disagree with the call, hockey is a fast sport and referees are only human. A referee adds up the what he has seen - puck played, hit, man down.
Now, I also think that 4 games is ridiculou. Anyone who has played hockey before knows that keeping your head up, regardless of whether you have the puck or not, is the first thing you are taught. It applies to 6 year olds and superstars alike. From the replays, it looks like Rome is coming across while Horton is skating in, and Rome just plants his feet and braces his shoulder for the hit. It is not Rome's responsibility to see if Horton has his head up, and even if he did notice, he probably didn't have time to react. The same argument lies here - had there not been an injury, we may not even be talking about the hit right now. Rome didn't charge him, didn't elbow him in the head, and didn't leave his feet until after the hit. The point everyone seems to be rallying around is that it was late. It was certainly after Horton played the puck, but again, if you have played hockey before you know that you can play the man after he has the played the puck. The only reason the timing of the hit is coming into question, once again, is because Horton was injured. If Horton had his head up, perhaps he would have had time to brace for the hit and it's a possibliity that the hit may not even have been penalized. Hits like that have been taking place across the league far later than 1 second this season, yet how many have been called, let alone been cause for suspension this year?
Now. All of the above is going by what I remember from last night and is completely subjective. Argue and hate away all you want.
I grew up watching hockey during an era when hits like that occurred all the time and weren't even called. I hate the way the league is going today, but I understand that the league wants to protect its players, and there's nothing I can do to change that. However, hits with timing and form similar to the one last night if not later, have been made during the playoffs this year only with a different outcome, and have not been called. My main concern lies with the lack of consistency across the league on issues like this. The league has shown time and time again an inability to set a precedent by which all calls are made. The rulebook does not explicitly state what exactly is considered a late hit (15 frames? 1 second? 3 strides?). How can a league be taken seriously when the refs can't agree on what call should be made? A former player like Shanahan should know better than to dole out 4 game suspensions for a hit that was borderline late. I'm just glad Colin Cambpell stepped down when he did, because if he hadn't there would be a slaughter in the Vancouver media right now.
Having said all that, I can't say that Rome's suspension upsets me with regards to the roster, and it probably did him a favor since he will have had a target on his back. Perhaps we can finally see a Ballard-Tanev pairing step in, since AV seems to be reluctant to play Ballard alongside anyone else. If not, then I guess we're expecting Alberts and Tanev, but that would worry me somewhat. Either way, puck drop can't come any sooner, I can't wait for tomorrow's game.I'm dne.
 
This. I don't know if you played D at some point Sean but as a defencemen your goal is to play the body, not the puck; you get taught that from pee-wee on. Maybe it's just me but whenever I saw someone coming in like that through the neutral zone I was just licking my lips because that is the kind of hit that you live for as a defencemen. He made a split-second decision based on years and years of being taught to play the body and not the puck, obviously in this case it was late but he was just acting the way most other defencemen in the world do. I know for a fact I would be making that hit in a game because it is second-nature to a blue-liner to go for a big hit like that on the blue-line if it is presented.
 
it was meant in the context of a 4 game suspension in the finals... its 10ths of a second. somone said it was like .8 seconds after puck left his stick and the nhl standard is .5 there are hits .3 seconds late at a consistent basis in the game
 
holy fuck, are you serious? Please go kick your parents in the head for raising a retard of a child.

he played the man. not the puck. just in case you havent actually seen the hit yet
 
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