Occupy Wallstreet List of Demands

Regardless of demands. I think the important thing is that this is happening to begin with. The last few decades have been relatively apathetic in regards to politics and the economy which is how a lot of this mess happened to begin with.
Surely these requests are outrageous, but with out requests nothing would happen at all. Bills/Laws change never happens exactly as request or respected. Look at the healthcare bill. So many people were enraged when it was passed but it is an entirely different bill now than it was when it was passed. The important thing is that it was passed. It will continue to change hopefully for the better. Regardless of your stand on it, you can't argue that it hasn't done some good. Tons of kids had health insurance for the first time. Struggling college grads were given health insurance. Insurance premiums have actually gone up, but hopefully further change will help to adjust that.
Sure there are a lot of people out there cause of the idea of fighting the man and blah blah blah. Yay ignorance! But at the end of the day, people are beginning to care again in both the right and left fields of things. I'm excited to see anyone standing up for their beliefs, whatever they are. (Unless you are trying to force religion, that's not kosher).
I'd rather live in a society that cares than the one that has been in a constant state of apathy.
 
What do you even mean by that? It might not be the best example, but I was trying to use one that everyone can relate to as half the people reading this post are probably wearing Nike something. Every company has jobs that need to be done, outsources or not. I'm talking about creating jobs and supporting our national economy by reducing outsourcing at the cost of a slight reduction of a CEO's income. Being a factory worker may not be the most desirable job, but it is already one of the most common jobs in the US so yet again, I don't really understand your point. Do you see a problem with keeping jobs in our own economy or something else that I'm missing?

Mr. Huck, did you even read my post past my saying you missed the point? I told you why they chose Wall Street as a location.

I think people are getting too hung up on the fact that these protests are lacking a specific goal and that frustrates people who don't understand how you can have a protest without a goal for an outcome. That will come in time, I promise you that much. People are just fed up with all the corruption and lack of equality and they want a total change in paradigm. Pinning a single or several specific goals to a movement like this would reduce the integrity of such a massive shift in paradigm.
 
Regardless of what people want to say they stand for it's either a media interpretation or spin. It is apparent there are a multitude of messages, groups, goals and tactics. People are literally protesting everything including those demands listed. And I think all you have to do is look at the photo campaign online called the 99%'s I think a thread was already posted about them. It's histarical pictures of hipsters begging to have their credit card and student debt forgiven absolutely pathetic lazy assholes
 
1) these demands are completely rediculous, and will never be met. but i feel confident that these are not the real demands. that being said 2) occupy wallstreet SHOULD make an official list of demands, or else the protests are completely pointless.
 
Truly any one who believes that their work is worth that much an hour at most minimum wage jobs is over valuing themselves. Between this crap and the debt forgiveness crap the seem like they just feel entitled to the same situation or lifestyle that those who earned it enjoy
 
I support this movement I just feel that your example was poor. a poor example from a supporter just makes the movement look bad just like this false set of ridiculous demands.

We don't just need more jobs. We need better jobs. We need to be innovative and create jobs in a better way that can't be outsourced as easily. I know beggars can't be choosers but if we're going to do this lets do it right.

In the statements you quoted they referred to the countries in which nike outsources these jobs to. an economy where the most desirable jobs are making shoes doesn't provide much incentive for the general population to go out and get educated to fix the problems their country has (like cheap labor).
 
Lets get rid of all the least desirable jobs! Then, we wont have.....anything, back to the stone age...brilliant. Wall street isn't even batting an eye.
 
There's a bunch of people outside my apartment holding signs for this thing and at first glance they look like a bunch of homeless people. When I looked closer they seemed to be a bunch of wackos
 
didnt read the thread but those arent official demands (luckily). you can have whatever opinion you want of the people protesting, and there are definitely some idiots out there, but if you're totally okay with the distribution of wealth and all the things that go on with the super elite of the country youre either ignorant or just apathetic
 
I have a new idea for arguing. making stuff up about what the opponent said and using that as a tactic against them. Brilliant. seriously? where did I say get rid of jobs?
 
it's a bunch of those hackey sack, frisbee throwing, guitar in the quad douchebags that got a sociology degree at a big school and think they know how to change the world because their woodstock old professor talked about smoking pot and JFK. Actually it's probably the people who didn't even finish school but just took the class. This form of protesting doesn't accomplish shit anymore. The funny thing is I'm under the impression that the Tea party is more influential and has more political sway than these stupid sons of bitches.
 
Everything except your first two sentences is what I'm trying to say. Not sure why you're analyzing the quality of my example.

 
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whilst being to american standards very left wing, and pro occupy wallstreet, many of these requests seem very very idotic. one trillion in transportation? open all borders? i do not see such claims to be very successful. stopping greedy corporations exploiting people is very good, or making mil/ and billionaires pay more taxes seems to make more sense than spending shitloads of tax money, your government doesnt have for less important things. making corporations stick to better working conditions for employees or raising the avarage wage alittle would be good. or to minimize pollution seems reasonable. but many of these claims sound like those of rebellious teenagers with no knowledge of finance, economics, politics or what effects these claims (if implemented) would have on the future.

like: opening borders: many people from developing nations would move to medcs. the surplus of workforce with a limited supply of jobs available would increase competition and lower wages. education would become even more important and the gap between the educated rich and uneducated poor would widen further.

 
While I don't agree with the demands and I'm not sure I can agree with occupy wall street as a viable solution. The legitimate concerns people have will change this country for the better.

It doesn't matter if you have a right or left view. It doesn't matter if you are democratic or republican. If people are getting educated on issues by sheer fact (not emotional demagogues (Al Sharpton, Rick Parry, Palin etc etc) then we are growing as a society. However, more and more people are watching people's interpretations of facts on tv. They sit there blindly and watch as people appeal directly to their emotional facet and can't even tell the difference.

It's really time for the American people to break the ignorance is bliss mentality. We, as a people, don't know the entire reasons and history of why we are fighting in the Middle East. We, as a people, don't understand the impacts of global imbalances on the economy and how they will forever trump Obama's petty actions to try to change it. We ,as a people, just flat out don't understand. Our daily lives have become so commercialized that we don't even get the chance to think about what happens outside them. We go to work, we watch American Idol, we go to bed. Then repeat the next day for the rest of our lives. When the majority of our population watches a device every night controlled by a select few people, it is easy to see why we are in the position we are.
 
ugh these fuckers are so dumb... if they really want these things, move to Sweeden, or Re-start the USSR.

Lazy bitches don't know what an honest day's work is. I could sit here and give a very rational argument as to why these guys are idiots (already did, peep mythreads), but irrational people deserve irrational arguments.

GTFO, debt forgiveness? really? come on now, this is the 21st century,.. shit don't work like that. Idealist pigs.
 
Well if you really think about it, if the US government can't get it's shit together and pay its debt, than why should we as citizens? The government acts like it has this credit card that will never run out or be cancelled. No citizen would ever be able to get away with that.
 
Yes, I read your post. No hate intended.

I'm not sure where this movement started, but it has just turned into a freak show. That is unfortunate. There are probably some legitimate issues that are being brought up, but they are getting drowned out by the anarchists.

The really ironic thing about this is that George Soros is a huge driving influence behind this now. He is a billionaire.

I would really love for executive compensation to get a serious look, but this movement is not going to make that happen.
 
Your so much immature. Two wrongs don't make a right, I learned that in kindergarden. No one calling for debt forgiveness is anything less than lazy and incapable of taking responsibility for what they barrowed
 
I was not saying that. All I am saying is that our government should be roll models to its citizens.

And two wrongs don't make a right. Do you support the killing of anyone that we think may be a terrorist such as al-Awlaki? Do you support fighting the wars in the middle east?
 
What a stupid argument. There is a significant difference between killing enemy combatant or key islamo facist role model. And killing women, children and civilians with C4 and ball bearings.... To scare people and make a religious point

Your previous point was the government does not honor it's debt obligations there for lazy asshat citizens who have spent money they don't have should be forgiven of their responsibility and commitment....
 
If I am not mistaken al-Awlaki came out and for lack of a better way of saying it said "I helped the guys that flew the planes that day get their training and shit"
 
He associated with them, yes. But it had never been proved that he had anything to do with it. Anyone that hates America would want to make the claim that they were part of something like that. We also have to remember that he was an American citizen. By the action of the Al-Awlaki killing, it seems as though president Obama would call for the kill on any citizen that he saw as a threat, be it a "terrorist" or just a bad person.
 
He had direct contact with 3 of the hijackers. When staying in LA 2 of them drove 30min to pray at Awalkis mosque despite staying with in 5 min of a major mosque. And had back door meetings with him

He is the co-editor and founder of Inspire magazine no need to say more about that.

He had direct email contact with Nadal Hassan the FT Hood terrorist

He was a direct mentor to Abdul Mutallab the underwear bomber

He is good friends and business associates with Samir Khan the other co-founder of Inspire magazine

He has a direct connection to the Ink Cartridge bomb attempts that happened last year

He openly admits his involvement with the Jihad and radicalization of American citizens

I'm sorry if there isn't enough evidence to brand him a terrorist then wtf is. DNA evidence. CSI "proof".
 
In my honest opinion that fuckface deserved it.

When you leave the US, go to the hotbed for terrorism that is Yemen, and then spend the next 5-10 years denouncing the US and claiming responsibility for different attacks and such fuck you man, if you're trolling you're an idiot and if you aren't trolling then good riddance you are having a pineapple shoved up your ass in hell.
 
Your literally a liberal sensationalist. Yupp we ventilated a terrorist now the government is going to start purging American citizens right and left.
 
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They just keep making a the half assed excuse "we are stuck within the system. We can hate the companies and still use their products"
 
So do I, but I do believe there is a clause in there for treason and once you cross that you lose all your rights as you are no longer considered a citizen. If moving away and claiming responsibility for the attacks on your country aren't considered treason in some fashion then what is?
 
I love that photo. Trustafarians of the world unite, and bitch because they don't have jobs that they didn't want in the first place.
 
I think it was Stossel that went down there to interview some people and a couple he talked to QUIT their jobs to go their and bitch... when he asked about what he got crickets in return.
 
Did you see the clip of the anarchist protesting youth arguing with the older Jewish man. And heckling him saying shit like "screw you Jew". And "you know why you care so much because you have all the money your Jewish". Absolutely sick
 
Yeah, the old guy told him to get a job, and the anarchist guy said he didn't want a job that paid $8 per hour. Meanwhile, there are tons of help wanted signs posted for waiters, waitresses and bartenders in Manhattan. You would probably shit if you found out how much money bartenders make and they don't report most of their tips.
 
For those of us here in NYC who are tired of this, join myself and Barstool at OccupyHypeLounge.

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This Sunday we’re Occupying the FUCK out of Hype Lounge. Because WE

ARE PART OF THE 99%. The 99% that actually works all week long to earn a

paycheck. The 99% who wants to spend that paycheck on sports, booze,

food, and broads. We are the 99% and we will be heard. Here is our list

of demands:

1. Half Price Buffalo Wings - Why should we have to

pay full price for Hype Lounge wings? They are the best wings in

Manhattan and I want to get twice as many wings for my dollar.

2. $15 Buckets - We’re sick and tired of upscale

sports bars that charge 5 or 6 dollars a beer. We’re well educated,

gainfully employed individuals who have earned the right to get 5 Bud

Lights for $3 a pop.

3. $4 Special Drafts – We’re not hipsters drinking

PBR. After a long week we have earned the right to enjoy specialty

beers. Sierra Nevadas and Blue Point and all the microbrews of the

world. 20 different beers on tap.

4. Tickets to Jets and Giants games – Watching every

football game on the schedule on 19 HDTVs is not enough. We demand to

watch these games live. Raffle tickets must be provided to offer a

chance to win.

5. One Trillion dollars worth of medical aid to the impoverished nations of the world - Nah just fucking with you. I just wanna eat wings and watch football.

 
Be careful criticizing protestors on either side. Conservatives (I'm not naming you specifically) were very quick to defend Tea Partiers pointing out that the media will always find the crazies or idiots to misrepresent the entire group. The same applies here. Rational demands don't sit well with the media, they need to find crazy people in order to make their stories seem more outrageous.
 
I agree with you. There are extremist nut jobs in any movement or cause. The impression that you get from watching coverage of this group is that the rational folks seem to be in the minority.
 
Find me one piece of video evidence of a tea partier being a racist or anti semitic. You won't be able too there have been 100k rewards offered for years to prove it. The video he's referencing shows occupy wall street protestors being blatantly anti semetic, bigots. Not to mention rude. And probably drunk...
 
Wait, what?

You are just furthering my point. Protestors on "your side" are always perfect. "The other side" is always a bunch of racist idiots who deserve no credit.
 
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